Mel Kipers top 5 by position...

[sundevil04]

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Jan. 12, 2006

Quarterbacks
1. Matt Leinart, USC
2. Vince Young, Texas (Junior)
3. Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt
4. Brodie Croyle, Alabama
5. Charlie Whitehurst, Clemson
5a. Omar Jacobs, Bowling Green (Junior)

seems a little high for croyle to me

Running Backs
1. Reggie Bush, USC
2. DeAngelo Williams, Memphis
3. LenDale White, USC
4. Laurence Maroney, Minnesota
5. Maurice Drew, UCLA
5a. Joseph Addai, LSU
5b. Brian Calhoun, Wisconsin

Fullbacks
1. Lawrence Vickers, Colorado
2. J.D. Runnels, Oklahoma
3. Matt Bernstein, Wisconsin
4. Daccus Turman, South Carolina
5. David Kirtman, USC

Wide Receivers
1. Santonio Holmes, Ohio State (Junior)
2. Derek Hagan, Arizona State
3. Sinorice Moss, Miami
4. Chad Jackson, Florida (Junior)
5. Maurice Stovall, Notre Dame
5a. Hank Baskett, New Mexico

Tight Ends
1. Vernon Davis, Maryland (Junior)
2. Leonard Pope, Georgia (Junior)
3. Anthony Fasano, Notre Dame (Junior)
4. Dominique Byrd, USC
5. Marcedes Lewis, UCLA
5a. Owen Daniels, Wisconsin
5b. David Thomas, Texas

m.lewis #5 wow! i'd disagree

Tackles
1. D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Virginia
2. Winston Justice, USC (Junior)
3. Ryan O'Callaghan, California
4. Jeremy Trueblood, Boston College
5. Marcus McNeill, Auburn
5a. Andrew Whitworth, LSU
5b. Eric Winston, Miami

where's j.scott!?!?!?!?

Guards
1. Jason Spitz, Louisville
2. Taitusi Lutui, USC
3. Max Jean-Gilles, Georgia
4. Kevin Boothe, Cornell
5. Rob Sims, Ohio State
5a. Davin Joseph, Oklahoma

giles #3 and joseph #5a not in my book (#'s 1&2)

Centers
1. Ryan Cook, New Mexico
2. Nick Mangold, Ohio State
3. Greg Eslinger, Minnesota
4. Mike Degory, Florida
5. Todd Londot, Miami (Ohio)

Defensive Ends
1. Mario Williams, NC State (Junior)
2. Tamba Hali, Penn State
3. Mathias Kiwanuka, Boston College
4. Kamerion Wimbley, Florida State
5. Manny Lawson, NC State
5a. Elvis Dumervil, Louisville
5b. Ray Edwards, Purdue (Junior)
5c. Jason Hatcher, Grambling

Defensive Tackles
1. Haloti Ngata, Oregon
2. Orien Harris, Miami
3. Claude Wroten, LSU
4. Brodrick Bunkley, Florida State
5. Kyle Williams, LSU
5a. Titus Adams, Nebraska

no g.watson r.wright or b.Oshinowo geez Mel!

Inside Linebackers
1. D'Qwell Jackson, Maryland
2. Abdul Hodge, Iowa
3. Kai Parham, Virginia (Junior)
4. Gerris Wilkinson, Georgia Tech
5. Oliver Hoyte, NC State

Outside Linebackers
1. A.J. Hawk, Ohio State
2. DeMeco Ryans, Alabama
3. Chad Greenway, Iowa
4. Ernie Sims, Florida St. (Junior)
5. Bobby Carpenter, Ohio State
5a. Thomas Howard, UTEP
5b. Stephen Tulloch, N.C. State (Junior)
5c. Cameron Vaughn, LSU

Cornerbacks
1. Jimmy Williams, Virginia Tech
2. Ashton Youboty, Ohio St. (Junior)
3. Antonio Cromartie, Florida State (Junior)
4. Anwar Phillips, Penn State
5. Johnathan Joseph, South Carolina (Junior)
5a. Kelly Jennings, Miami
5b. Marcus Hudson, NC State
5c. Jason Allen, Tennessee
5d. DeMario Minter, Georgia
5e. Alan Zemaitis, Penn State

Safeties
1. Michael Huff, Texas
2. Ko Simpson, South Carolina (Junior)
3. Donte Whitner, Ohio St. (Junior)
4. Anthony Smith, Syracuse
5. Danieal Manning, Abilene Christian (Junior)
5a. Bernard Pollard, Purdue (Junior)
5b. Dwayne Slay, Texas Tech
5c. Daniel Bullocks, Nebraska

where's l.landry and d.bing ( i think they just hadn't declaired)??? but what about g.blue, p.watkins, j.allen, n.salley?
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[AsUdUdE]

What my dream list for the cardinals for the draft is this:

1st- LenDale White
2nd - Lenard Pope/Marcedes Lewis
3rd- ?- Defensive LB/ CB
and then getting Omar Jacobs with our fourth round pick... I think he could be a steal at that point

If we can get LenDale White, and a Pass Catching TE, and a Quarterback for the future.. in the draft, then go out and use our F.A. money on our OL, and a GOOD LB.. I think we would be a SOLID playoff team next year!

 

[sundevil04]

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what about fs and nt?
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[The Commish]

For some reason I think this team is more concerned with finding a MLB than an OLB. Blackstock showed some flashes when replacing Dansby, and I think could wind up being a big part of our defense next year. I good run stuffing MLB in the 3rd or 4th Rd would be where we pick up a linebacker. Dale Robinson anyone?

By the way, that is way too high for Brodie Croyle. Same with Ngata. I think Wroten has the most potential out of all of them.

 

[sundevil04]

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whats wrong with g.hayes? coaches couldn't stop talking about him in camp before the injury, he was a stud at pitt. i dont see any lb spot as a HUGE need just maybe nice to upgrade at.
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[CardsFan222]

I got scared when Maurice Drew declared. who wants to bet he will be in a cards uniform next year?????????????Green will take another RB that will get knocked down with a good breeze.

 

[CardsFan222]

Dale Robinson anyone?


I was thinking the same thing to with a lower pick. It will be interesting to see what he runs at the combine

 

[joeshmo]

whats wrong with g.hayes? coaches couldn't stop talking about him in camp before the injury, he was a stud at pitt. i dont see any lb spot as a HUGE need just maybe nice to upgrade at.

Well they arent going to say anything bad about him.

But remember they did try to replace him with Hartwell in FA as well. A lot of mixed signals concerning Hayes IMO. Plus he is coming off of a knee injury.

But I do agree that I dont see any LB as a huge need, but it can be upgraded at MLB and WLB.

 

[spanky1]

What my dream list for the cardinals for the draft is this:

1st- LenDale White
2nd - Lenard Pope/Marcedes Lewis
3rd- ?- Defensive LB/ CB
and then getting Omar Jacobs with our fourth round pick... I think he could be a steal at that point

If we can get LenDale White, and a Pass Catching TE, and a Quarterback for the future.. in the draft, then go out and use our F.A. money on our OL, and a GOOD LB.. I think we would be a SOLID playoff team next year!

Pope and Lewis are long gone by our 2nd rounder at #40

I'd like you to tell me exactly why you think we need a TE at the expense of some of our more glaring needs.

And Omar Jacobs lasting until the 4th. Gheeez

Please try and be "reasonable" versus "pie in the sky" when you discuss potential draft picks

 

[ajcardfan]

The tight end group is very impressive. I can't recall that position ever having five legitimate first round prospects. We might find ourselves in RD 2 with one of those five sitting there for the taking.

 

[ajcardfan]

I'd like you to tell me exactly why you think we need a TE at the expense of some of our more glaring needs.

I think you sign free agents to fill needs. You draft playmakers. If a TE is the BPA when we pick in RD 2, you pick him. (Anyhow, it's not like Edwards is some great stud who can't be improved on.) Hopefully, by draft day, we've addressed our "glaring" needs and it's a matter of picking the most talented players.

 

[CardsFan222]

I think you sign free agents to fill needs. You draft playmakers. If a TE is the BPA when we pick in RD 2, you pick him. (Anyhow, it's not like Edwards is some great stud who can't be improved on.) Hopefully, by draft day, we've addressed our "glaring" needs and it's a matter of picking the most talented players.

Very good post. I agree that in the draft you take the best player available. When you draft for need you end up picking bad player like Bryant Johnson and Calvin Pace

 

[AsUdUdE]

Mel Kiper is his latest draft chat said Omar Jacobs is a 5th round selection...So getting him in the fourth is not a "pis in the sky" thinking, my friend..

secondly... I watch the games a little different than a lot of people.. try watching the defense on plays against the cardinals...

In the Red Zone the safties would ALWAYS cheat down on both sides of the field, to help on Fitz and Bolden. Knowing we didn't have a playmaker in the middle of the field who could catch, they never worried about it.. its the same reason we had to kick so many field goals, if boldin or Fitz didn't make a spectacular play, the safties would knock the ball down, or warner would try to throw it to Leron Freakin Mccoy, or Edwards, because the safties were doubling our two recievers...

The fact that we couldn't run the ball didn't help matters either, but the is one important fact.. we kicked a field goal 11 times inside the 10... We lost a LOT of close games this year, and had we had any semblence of a running game, or a playmaker TE to keep the safties honest I believe we could have been 11-5 instead of 5-11...

The do have "glaring needs" elsewhere, but Edwards, and JJ hurt us more than a lot of people realize, and were the difference in most of our loses...

You sign F.A. to fill needs, on defense/ OL, you do draft playmakers, that will help your team, and with 5 legit TE, you can bet atleast one will fall to the second round, and pope/Fasono/Lewis, have the best shot at being there at #40....

 

[Russ Smith]

The do have "glaring needs" elsewhere, but Edwards, and JJ hurt us more than a lot of people realize, and were the difference in most of our loses...

You sign F.A. to fill needs, on defense/ OL, you do draft playmakers, that will help your team, and with 5 legit TE, you can bet atleast one will fall to the second round, and pope/Fasono/Lewis, have the best shot at being there at #40....

How was JJ the difference in most of our losses when he barely played? Or do you mean by NOT being an instant success he cost us games?

 

[NEZCardsfan]

How was JJ the difference in most of our losses when he barely played? Or do you mean by NOT being an instant success he cost us games?

I think he is talking specifically about the red zone and JJ. Don't think he feels JJ is a red zone threat.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think he is talking specifically about the red zone and JJ. Don't think he feels JJ is a red zone threat.

True but again, he was barely in on the redzone. He had only 16 carries inside the 20 and our only 2 rushing td's. SHipp had 24 if you're going to blame a RB for our inability to run in the redzone might as well blame the guy who got the bulk of the carries, and didn't score a single TD.

Obviously JJ isn't a power short yardage runner but that's not what he was drafted to be either that was supposed to be Hambrick and when he ate himself out of the job, it was supposed to be Shipp.

I actually agree with him at the TE position I think one of the main reasons we struggled in the redzone was teams could double the WR's. ANd obviously the lack of a run game was huge down there.

 

[joeshmo]

I'd like you to tell me exactly why you think we need a TE at the expense of some of our more glaring needs.

TE could very well be one of the most glaring needs after FA.

But alas we have the amazing duo of Edwards and Bergen, no need for an upgrade if one is to be had.

 

[AsUdUdE]

How was JJ the difference in most of our losses when he barely played? Or do you mean by NOT being an instant success he cost us games?

If you blew on JJ he would fall down... I am not saying I thought he would be an "instant success"... but JJ is not a red zone back and yes it DID hurt us this year... the only reason he didn't get the carries inside the 20 was because he was terrible, and yes it did hurt us because of it.. because Warner would throw it to someone like Mccoy, because no one else was open, and they could drop 7 8 into coverage because EVERYONE KNEW we weren't going to run, and towards the end of the season we did try to run.. and what a smashing success that was, especially the 100 yard game we had against the 2nd stringers in Indianapolis, which we STILL didn't score a rushing touchdown (or did we?)... point is JJ was horrific in the Red Zone, (and everywhere else for that matter), and that did cost us the close games...

 

[Russ Smith]

If you blew on JJ he would fall down... I am not saying I thought he would be an "instant success"... but JJ is not a red zone back and yes it DID hurt us this year... the only reason he didn't get the carries inside the 20 was because he was terrible, and yes it did hurt us because of it.. because Warner would throw it to someone like Mccoy, because no one else was open, and they could drop 7 8 into coverage because EVERYONE KNEW we weren't going to run, and towards the end of the season we did try to run.. and what a smashing success that was, especially the 100 yard game we had against the 2nd stringers in Indianapolis, which we STILL didn't score a rushing touchdown (or did we?)... point is JJ was horrific in the Red Zone, (and everywhere else for that matter), and that did cost us the close games...

Again, Shipp was worse, in more carries so why are you calling out JJ and not calling out Shipp? It seems like you're assuming because he was picked in the 2nd round he was supposed to be a star and since he wasn't, he cost us games.

I'm not saying the kid had a great year by any stretch but blaming him for our redzone run problems is kind of silly, Shipp got the bulk of those carries and did nothing with them. JJ at least found the endzone twice.

 

[WildBB]

whats wrong with g.hayes? coaches couldn't stop talking about him in camp before the injury, he was a stud at pitt. i dont see any lb spot as a HUGE need just maybe nice to upgrade at.

I think Lance Mitchell has alot of potential as well. He's was like a sure 1st rounder before blowing an ACL.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think Lance Mitchell has alot of potential as well. He's was like a sure 1st rounder before blowing an ACL.

I gotta say I wasn't too impressed with the little I saw of Lance this year, he seems clearly to have lost a full step. I figured this was the year his speed would return but it didn't look to me like it did.

 

[Cardiac]

I think you sign free agents to fill needs. You draft playmakers. If a TE is the BPA when we pick in RD 2, you pick him. (Anyhow, it's not like Edwards is some great stud who can't be improved on.) Hopefully, by draft day, we've addressed our "glaring" needs and it's a matter of picking the most talented players.

Exactly. We need more impact / Probowl players. Last year it was ???? Player, a punter. This year Fitz and Rackers with BIG as a alternate and Wilson & Boldin both worthy of considration.

Dansby could join the list next year. We need to draft more impact players that stand a chance of going to the Pro Bowl.

 

[HooverDam]

What my dream list for the cardinals for the draft is this:

1st- LenDale White
2nd - Lenard Pope/Marcedes Lewis
3rd- ?- Defensive LB/ CB
and then getting Omar Jacobs with our fourth round pick... I think he could be a steal at that point

If we can get LenDale White, and a Pass Catching TE, and a Quarterback for the future.. in the draft, then go out and use our F.A. money on our OL, and a GOOD LB.. I think we would be a SOLID playoff team next year!

I am on the same page as you. Maybe make the LB Dale Robinson like has been suggested. Though 3rd round would probably be reaching for him a bit. Maybe 4th...? Im not really sure where guys in the middle/late rounds are supposed to go, but if we got:

L. White
M. Lewis (or Pope)
O. Jacobs
and D. Robinson as our top 4 picks, I would be ecstatic.

 

[duckfallas]

DeAngelo Williams better than Lendale White? I hope there are teams in the top 10 that think that too.

I wouldn't mind seeing Maurice Drew in a Card uniform next season. Not as a full time RB but as a KR specialist and 3rd down back. The kid makes plays.