Melvin Ely?

[asudevil83]

how about a 3 way trade?

Suns send out James Jones for Ely - we get our big man
Kings send out Wells for Jones - Kings get a cheap replacement for Wells
Bobcats send out Ely for Wells - Bobcats get Wells, and Wells gets his money

all is good in the world.

 

[Chaplin]

how about a 3 way trade?

Suns send out James Jones for Ely - we get our big man
Kings send out Wells for Jones - Kings get a cheap replacement for Wells
Bobcats send out Ely for Wells - Bobcats get Wells, and Wells gets his money

all is good in the world.

Money has to even out--won't work if Wells is involved.

 

[asudevil83]

Money has to even out--won't work if Wells is involved.

even if the Bobcats can obsorb the difference in salary?

the Kings wouldnt be adding more salary than they give up, and neither would me (at least not violating the CBA rules), and the Bobcats could take in more money than they give up because they are under the cap.

unless there is some sort of CBA rule that i dont know out?

 

[Chaplin]

even if the Bobcats can obsorb the difference in salary?

Aah, that's right. My bad.

 

[devilalum]

I think it's very unrealistic to project that Ely would see anything more than spot duty for the Suns. Yes, he got solid time on the Bobcats, but those are the Bobcats. He's 28 years old and really hasn't shown much during his four years in the league. There's a reason that the market for him is so underwhelming.

Frankly I'd rather have Voskuhl back. He's only six months older, his rebounding rate is better than Ely's, his FG% and FT% are both higher, his turnover rate is much lower, and his foul rate is only a little worse.

Doesn't Voskuhl hold the record for fouls per 48 minutes?

 

[phxrising]

Doesn't Voskuhl hold the record for fouls per 48 minutes?

You forgetten about Mark West?

 

[elindholm]

Doesn't Voskuhl hold the record for fouls per 48 minutes?

I'm not sure what you mean. I do think he led the league in that category one year, but I don't think it was a record. Since he'll never play 48 minutes, I'm not sure what difference it makes. Voskuhl fouls way too much, but my point was that Ely has a problem there too -- he's at 5.8 fouls per 48 minutes over his career, compared to 8.3 for Voskuhl -- and Voskuhl is statistically superior in almost every other relevant category.

 

[Errntknght]

Eric, "Frankly I'd rather have Voskuhl back. He's only six months older, his rebounding rate is better than Ely's, his FG% and FT% are both higher, his turnover rate is much lower, and his foul rate is only a little worse."

I'd probably rather have Jake than Ely, too, but on last years stats there isn't that much difference. Last year Ely had a considerably better FG% - 51% to 44% and he got to the FT line twice as often as Jake per minute played. FT% was .683 to .667 in Jakes favor so there's little difference on that count. I wouldn't go so far as to say Jake's foul rate was only slightly worse last year - .191 f/min versus .118 (or 9.2 vs 5.6 on a per 48 basis.)

Their last years rebounding rates Jake .223 rpm and Ely .205 rpm.

 

[elindholm]

I used career statistics for Ely and Voskuhl because their roles have been so inconsistent. Ely's apparent jump in productivity last season isn't really relevant to the Suns, because he wouldn't be used in Phoenix the way he was in Charlotte. If he were younger, last year's change could be attributed to development and maturation, but since he's in his late 20s I don't consider that a likely explanation.

 

[George O'Brien]

My read on it is that the Charlotte newpaper was using out of date information. It is my guess that the Suns stopped talking to the Bobcats once the JJ TE expired and they settled for Jumaine.

 

[F-Dog]

I'd rather have Ely than Voskuhl, regardless of what the numbers say. He seems to be a significantly better athlete than little Jake, and because of his history, he might have some upside even at 28.

Anyway, since this blurb sounds exactly the same as the one from three weeks ago, I doubt the Suns are interested enough to make a play here.

 

[fordronken]

Suns Making Late Push

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/story/2006/9/24/181746/545

One of our peoples who is closely connected to the NBA scene dropped us this anonymous tip. The Warriors and Bobcats are working on a deal that would send Mike Dunleavy and Mickael Pietrus to Charlotte in exchange for Gerald Wallace and Melvin Ely. The Bobcats would then also ink Bonzi Wells to a deal. One problem holding up the transaction is that the Phoenix Suns are making a late push for Melvin Ely

 

[JoRain]

I read that Ely together with Gerald Wallace is going to Golden State for Pietrus and Dunleavy. Plus to all that - Bobcats are supposedly asking for a draft pick or project like A. Biedrins.
And they still want to sign Bozni.
If this is true - i really don't understand the purpose of this trade - it definetely isn't done to clear up a roster spot.
There are also claims, that this trade can come down as soos as today - if Bozi agrees to a two year deal with Bobcats.

 

[Chaplin]

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/story/2006/9/24/181746/545

Hmm, a Golden State fan site... Yeah, that's credible...

 

[hawaiiansun]

I read that Ely together with Gerald Wallace is going to Golden State for Pietrus and Dunleavy. Plus to all that - Bobcats are supposedly asking for a draft pick or project like A. Biedrins.
And they still want to sign Bozni.
If this is true - i really don't understand the purpose of this trade - it definetely isn't done to clear up a roster spot.
There are also claims, that this trade can come down as soos as today - if Bozi agrees to a two year deal with Bobcats.

wow, ely and gwallace for pietrus and dunleavy?? GS steals that trade, I have no idea why the bobcats would want to do that..

 

[George O'Brien]

wow, ely and gwallace for pietrus and dunleavy?? GS steals that trade, I have no idea why the bobcats would want to do that..

With picks, it might make sense. Ely is not really in the Bobcats plans and they don't get much for him if they trade him during the year. Wallace has been injured a lot. But I agree, I can't see them interested in Dunleavey's contract.

 

[Chaplin]

Gerald Wallace is good, but let's face it, Melvin Ely isn't even 6th man quality. Dunleavy isn't great, but he's better than Ely. I'd say straight up, it's at best an even trade.

I know a lot on this board are having a love affair with Ely, but come on, he's not THAT good.

 

[George O'Brien]

Ely is sort of a "need" guys in that he's big and not a total stiff. None the less, it's hard to get real excited about the third string PF of a team that won 26 games last season.

 

[nathan]

wow, ely and gwallace for pietrus and dunleavy?? GS steals that trade, I have no idea why the bobcats would want to do that..

Gerald Wallace's stats are inflated. I am a huge fan of Mickael Pietrus' game. Main thing I wonder is why the Bobcats would want to pay Dunleavy 5/$44 M.

 

[elindholm]

From a talent standpoint it's a bad trade for Golden State. Their motivation, if these rumors are legitimate, is to get out from under Dunleavy's contract.

 

[Louis]

GWallace and Ely are due for major extensions as both of their contracts are about to run out. GS can afford the extensions if they want to do this trade.

Dunleavy and Peitrus are in the same boat. Dunleavy's contract is up after this season and Peitrus is has a $3.4 million qualifying offer for next season.

Charlotte wants to keep it's salary down and are looking for prospects or draft picks. Something they could get in this trade.

Jerry Brown of the EVT is saying the trade talks 'tween the Suns and Bobcats have cooled.

 

[The Commish]

Tuesday Morning News

Bonus Shots


Shawn Marion, Steve Nash and Amaré Stoudemire were in Los Angeles Monday to film commercials for Nike — including one Suns-themed spot featuring all three players. The spots will be seen beginning in November. . . .

Forward Jeff Varem, who holds a passport from Nigeria, will know today if his travel visa to Italy will be approved. "I'm keeping my fingers crossed; it would be horrible if I don't get to go," Varem said. If Varem doesn't get the go-ahead, former Phoenix North High and Cal State Northridge point guard Davin White would replace him on the 14-man training camp roster. . . .

After fairly significant talks with the Charlotte Bobcats about a sign-and-trade deal involving 6-foot-10 power forward/center Melvin Ely, the Suns have cooled on the idea. With both Kurt Thomas (foot stress fracture) and Stoudemire (two knee surgeries) returning, Ely would have served as an athletic insurance policy inside.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=75032

 

[boisesuns]

Edited for Truth

Bonus Shots


"I'm keeping my fingers crossed; it would be horrible if I don't get to go. I mean, I was looking forward to riding the bench in as many countries as possible."

 

[Errntknght]

 

[panfolk]

After fairly significant talks with the Charlotte Bobcats about a sign-and-trade deal involving 6-foot-10 power forward/center Melvin Ely, the Suns have cooled on the idea. With both Kurt Thomas (foot stress fracture) and Stoudemire (two knee surgeries) returning, Ely would have served as an athletic insurance policy inside.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=75032

This is the first time I've ever been enthusiastic about the need for insurance.