Merriman Pro Bowl pick is an embarassment

[CardinalChris]

What are we, the manners police? I hate what he did, but that is the nature of the beast. He's not getting rewarded for doing steroids, he's getting rewarded for being the best pass rusher in the game. Of course the steroids gave him an edge, but he's had 4 sacks in three games since he came back from his suspension. He has been a pass rushing freak since he entered the league. He wasn't even in the top 20 for votes. Remember, the OLB position in the AFC is stacked, so this guy was benefitted from splitting votes with a lot of other players. So now we want to disqualify his selection because of his suspension?

If we started kicking guys out of the pro bowl for being a jerk and a poor sport, we'd run out of players. So Ray Lewis should never play in a pro bowl? He was an accessory to murder. Leonard Little? He actually committed murder. Nobody has to or should respect the guy as a person. He got caught cheating, but the pro bowl isn't a charater race. It is a performace acknowledgement. We live in a society that gives second chances and has short memories. People are allowed to redeem themselves.

As somebody mentioned, this is a product of fan voting. It says more about us as fans than the league. The truth is the average fan cares less about steroid as long as it is not public, happens to be an opposing player, and as long as they get to see freaks like Merriman torture QBs. Talking about the league putting in their own moral compass... wait, they did. It was called a SUSPENSION. He served it, hence his punishment for his crime. Call the guy a shmuck, but time to back away when we talk about the league revoking his votes.

 

[Shane]

What are we, the manners police? I hate what he did, but that is the nature of the beast. He's not getting rewarded for doing steroids, he's getting rewarded for being the best pass rusher in the game. Of course the steroids gave him an edge, but he's had 4 sacks in three games since he came back from his suspension. He has been a pass rushing freak since he entered the league. He wasn't even in the top 20 for votes. Remember, the OLB position in the AFC is stacked, so this guy was benefitted from splitting votes with a lot of other players. So now we want to disqualify his selection because of his suspension?

If we started kicking guys out of the pro bowl for being a jerk and a poor sport, we'd run out of players. So Ray Lewis should never play in a pro bowl? He was an accessory to murder. Leonard Little? He actually committed murder. Nobody has to or should respect the guy as a person. He got caught cheating, but the pro bowl isn't a charater race. It is a performace acknowledgement. We live in a society that gives second chances and has short memories. People are allowed to redeem themselves.

As somebody mentioned, this is a product of fan voting. It says more about us as fans than the league. The truth is the average fan cares less about steroid as long as it is not public, happens to be an opposing player, and as long as they get to see freaks like Merriman torture QBs. Talking about the league putting in their own moral compass... wait, they did. It was called a SUSPENSION. He served it, hence his punishment for his crime. Call the guy a shmuck, but time to back away when we talk about the league revoking his votes.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

What are we, the manners police? I hate what he did, but that is the nature of the beast. He's not getting rewarded for doing steroids, he's getting rewarded for being the best pass rusher in the game. Of course the steroids gave him an edge, but he's had 4 sacks in three games since he came back from his suspension. He has been a pass rushing freak since he entered the league. He wasn't even in the top 20 for votes. Remember, the OLB position in the AFC is stacked, so this guy was benefitted from splitting votes with a lot of other players. So now we want to disqualify his selection because of his suspension?

If we started kicking guys out of the pro bowl for being a jerk and a poor sport, we'd run out of players. So Ray Lewis should never play in a pro bowl? He was an accessory to murder. Leonard Little? He actually committed murder. Nobody has to or should respect the guy as a person. He got caught cheating, but the pro bowl isn't a charater race. It is a performace acknowledgement. We live in a society that gives second chances and has short memories. People are allowed to redeem themselves.

As somebody mentioned, this is a product of fan voting. It says more about us as fans than the league. The truth is the average fan cares less about steroid as long as it is not public, happens to be an opposing player, and as long as they get to see freaks like Merriman torture QBs. Talking about the league putting in their own moral compass... wait, they did. It was called a SUSPENSION. He served it, hence his punishment for his crime. Call the guy a shmuck, but time to back away when we talk about the league revoking his votes.

Best post of the week.

 

[earthsci]

So we are going to reward someone who had an edge by using an ILLEGAL drug?

Wait for it.

Here it comes.




I'm glad that you aren't raising my kids.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

So we are going to reward someone who had an edge by using an ILLEGAL drug?

Wait for it.

Here it comes.




I'm glad that you aren't raising my kids.

Wow. Way to put 2 and 2 together to get 20.

 

[earthsci]

Wow. Way to put 2 and 2 together to get 20.

Do you even know what I'm refering too?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Do you even know what I'm refering too?

Possibly not. If there is an inside joke that I am not privvy to, or a post that I have not read, direct me.

 

[earthsci]

Possibly not. If there is an inside joke that I am not privvy to, or a post that I have not read, direct me.

Not an inside joke. During the Seattle game Adrian Wilson got a Personal Foul for popping the Seattle receiver who was celebrating after a TD. I said that I was glad he did it. Defend your house and all that. Shane lectured me on how it was wrong and he was glad I wasn't raising his kids.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Not an inside joke. During the Seattle game Adrian Wilson got a Personal Foul for popping the Seattle receiver who was celebrating after a TD. I said that I was glad he did it. Defend your house and all that. Shane lectured me on how it was wrong and he was glad I wasn't raising his kids.

Gotcha. In that case, I am with you.

JJ probably wouldn't have made it back to the 20 anyway.

 

[earthsci]

Gotcha. In that case, I am with you.

JJ probably wouldn't have made it back to the 20 anyway.

That was my point. It didn't cause a painful penalty and AW wasn't trying to hurt him. Just sending a message.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

That was my point. It didn't cause a painful penalty and AW wasn't trying to hurt him. Just sending a message.

 

[Shane]

So we are going to reward someone who had an edge by using an ILLEGAL drug?

Wait for it.

Here it comes.




I'm glad that you aren't raising my kids.

He wasnt rewarded for doing steroids. He was rewarded for his play on the field. He is a stud player. I dont condone him doing any kind of drug. But for his play he deserves to be there whther you like it or not.

I think Adrian Wilson also isnt the brightest bulb in the bunch and has some issues as well. Especially when you feel the need to sucker punch someone just because they are celebrating after a TD. Bad character trait. But he still desrves to go to the pro bowl.

The difference is that you absolutely condone the punch and stated that you though it was a good thing and you see nothing wrong with that. I then asked you if you would raise your kids to do the same thing and would you want other players doing it to your kids if they were celebrating a TD just because they scored at an away game? You stated that you would. :roll:

More power to you!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

He wasnt rewarded for doing steroids. He was rewarded for his play on the field. He is a stud player. I dont condone him doing any kind of drug. But for his play he deserves to be there whther you like it or not.

I think Adrian Wilson also isnt the brightest bulb in the bunch and has some issues as well. Especially when you feel the need to sucker punch someone just because they are celebrating after a TD. Bad character trait. But he still desrves to go to the pro bowl.

The difference is that you absolutely condone the punch and stated that you though it was a good thing and you see nothing wrong with that. I then asked you if you would raise your kids to do the same thing and would you want other players doing it to your kids if they were celebrating a TD just because they scored at an away game? You stated that you would. :roll:

More power to you!

Carmelo Anthony was a sucker punch. AW forcefully moved his arm away. HUGE difference.

 

[Shane]

Carmelo Anthony was a sucker punch. AW forcefully moved his arm away. HUGE difference.

No he didnt. You can spin it anyway you want dream. He came up to him and sucker punched him down by his groin. The Seattle WR got mad and got in his face at which time AW FORCEFULLY pushed him away. I have it on TIVO still and could record it and mail it to you if you like. Big difference.

WHat he did was wrong regardless of how the penalty hurt or not.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

No he didnt. You can spin it anyway you want dream. He came up to him and sucker punched him down by his groin. The Seattle WR got mad and got in his face at which time AW FORCEFULLY pushed him away. I have it on TIVO still and could record it and mail it to you if you like. Big difference.

WHat he did was wrong regardless of how the penalty hurt or not.

I also have it on Tivo and punching him in the groin was not his intention. We will have to agree on disagreeing on this one.

 

[Shane]

I also have it on Tivo and punching him in the groin was not his intention. We will have to agree on disagreeing on this one.

What was his intention then? Tell me what it was when he makes a fist and makes a forceful jab down towards someones groin? Was it to punch him in the hip or leg? If so its still not right! What was the intention of that? Also would you want someone doing that to your kids just because they sscored a TD.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

What was his intention then? Tell me what it was when he makes a fist and makes a forceful jab down towards someones groin? Was it to punch him in the hip or leg? If so its still not right! What was the intention of that? Also would you want someone doing that to your kids just because they sscored a TD.

I would venture to say, "Defending his house" "To stop the trash talking" etc. It doesn't necessarily make it the right thing to do. We disagree on his intentions, so we will disagree on whether it was a good penalty. I am not sure I can add anything more.

 

[Shane]

I would venture to say, "Defending his house" "To stop the trash talking" etc. It doesn't necessarily make it the right thing to do. We disagree on his intentions, so we will disagree on whether it was a good penalty. I am not sure I can add anything more.

Once again he was just celebrating a TD. In pretty cool fashion I might add. He WAS NOT trash talking. Would you condone someone coming over and punching your kids because your kids were celebrating a TD they scored at an away game? That to me is the boarometer of whether or not what he did was right. I know I wouldnt condone it. I would also punish my kids if they did it to another player. Its just in poor taste and character. Im really sorry if you guys cant see that or dont want to because he was

"defending our house"

 

[Russ Smith]

Wow. Way to put 2 and 2 together to get 20.

2+2 =4

1/5

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Once again he was just celebrating a TD. In pretty cool fashion I might add. He WAS NOT trash talking. Would you condone someone coming over and punching your kids because your kids were celebrating a TD they scored at an away game? That to me is the boarometer of whether or not what he did was right. I know I wouldnt condone it. I would also punish my kids if they did it to another player. Its just in poor taste and character. Im really sorry if you guys cant see that or dont want to because he was

"defending our house"

The celebration was different, I don't mind that, actually I kinda liked it. We continue to disagree at the severity of the actions/penalty. Would I want my child to punch someone, obviously not. But that isn't the issue. It was NOT a sucker punch like you claim.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

2+2 =4

1/5

Not understanding my point (that was clarified by earthsci)

1/5.

 

[Russ Smith]

Just to clarify my position. Merriman cheated got caught, do I think he's the only pro bowler who used steroids no, just the only one who got caught. But my biggest problem with Merriman is not so much that he cheated, but that like every other person in history who gets caught, he's now lying and backpedaling about it. Just sack up and say I made a mistake. I didn't like Luis Castillo being praised for telling all NFL teams before the draft I made a mistake, mainly because I thought he only did it to help his draft status, not because he was truly sorry. But in hindsight, I owe him an apology, at least he sacked up and admitted he'd cheated after being caught.

As a sports fan I am so sick and tired of every athlete who fails a test offering some lame excuse about spiked supplements, 2nd hand smoke, I had too much sex the night before, my dead unborn twin caused that, the French are framing me BS. Just once I would like to hear someone like Merriman stand up and say I screwed up, I admit it, I apologize, won't happen again. None of this I thought it was flaxseed oil, or I don't want to talk about the past senator I want to look forward. You were man enough to stick the needle in your butt, be man enough to tell the truth when you get caught.

 

[Shane]

It was NOT a sucker punch like you claim.

Did the WR know it was going to happen? Was he able to prepare and brace for it? Did AW walk up and do it all sly like? It WAS a sucker punch. But I guess you are right we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[earthsci]

He wasnt rewarded for doing steroids.

Yes he was. The steroids improved his performance on the field ergo, he was rewarded for doing steroids. An ILLEGAL drug.

I then asked you if you would raise your kids to do the same thing and would you want other players doing it to your kids if they were celebrating a TD just because they scored at an away game? You stated that you would. :roll:

Nice. No I didn't. Here's what I said -

Yep. You know what my kids do when that happens? They watch the ref throw a flag for Unsportsmanlike conduct on the team that just scored.

Meaning that they don't do what Wilson does, because what the receiver did is a penalty in college, high school, basically all amateur football.

 

[SuperSpck]

Steroids are not a drug taken for recreation, their purpose is to rebuild the muscles faster than ordinary, allowing for greater recovery time for the muscles which has many benefits.

Regardless of the % of other players taking a steroid or steroid derivative it is a banned substance by the NFL and any players who take it are breaking the rules because taking that drug gives those users an unfair advantage over those that do no.

Merriman shouldn't be allowed to go to the pro bowl because we don't know how much his usage affected his game on the field. What we do know is that he was caught cheating and because he used something that unleveled the playing field in a banned substance, he forfeits any accolades achieved.