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McVay & Arians took over rosters whose teams finished with the same exact record the season beforehand. Spare me that mess. Hell, it’s arguable that Arians inherited a better roster than McVay.

Shanny took over a roster who lacked a lot of talent in a lot of places when he first took the job. Even more so than when Kliff took over. Two years later, he had his team in a SB.


I’m obsessed with adaptability. Something Arians lacked & showed cracks in the early part of 2016 only to be fully opened by the end of the season. I like Arians. I think he’s a solid coach. I hope he has success with Tampa as long as it doesn’t hurt us. This board needs to stop acting like he was Don Shula here. We won 1 playoff game with him.


Only reason McVay is “losing his luster” is because he is handicapped by his mediocre QB. Same with Shanny & his QB. It was evident then, but it was truly obvious by both of their SB performances. Palmer is better than both of these guys.


Arians belongs in that Vrabel-McDermott tier.
Maybe people act like he mattered here because he's our winningest coach in franchise history, and did it in five freaking seasons.

If you're going to give some kind of a pass to McVay and Shanahan for "mediocre" QBs, why not the same credit to Arians for doing it while Carson Palmer missed 25% of Arians' total games?
 

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McVay & Arians took over rosters whose teams finished with the same exact record the season beforehand.
Huh?

Indianapolis 2011 pre-Arians: 2-14
Indianapolis 2012 with Arians: 11-5

Arizona 2012 pre-Arians: 5-11
Arizona 2013 with Arians: 10-6
Arizona 2017 with Arians: 8-8
Arizona 2018 post-Arians: 3-11

Tampa Bay 2019 pre-Arians: 5-11
Tampa Bay 2019 with Arians: 7-9

:shrug:

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Those closest to him likely know, but this is what the Internet shows:

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Is "informationcradle.com" reliable? It's literally the only site in the first few pages of Google results that claims he's married. It would be weird, almost crazy, if the existence of his marriage were completely kept out of mainstream media. I recall segments on All or Nothing or Flight Plan that showed Michael and his dying dog at his home, with no evidence of anyone else living there. Most bizarre if true!

I'm interested in how much of the team Michael and his siblings own after the passing of Bill. It also seems strange that i haven't seen one word of this discussed in the media!

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Maybe people act like he mattered here because he's our winningest coach in franchise history, and did it in five freaking seasons.

If you're going to give some kind of a pass to McVay and Shanahan for "mediocre" QBs, why not the same credit to Arians for doing it while Carson Palmer missed 25% of Arians' total games?
Where did I say in that post that Arians didn’t matter? He was a good coach for us. Sorry, I’m not going to do backflips & hold him in a similar regard to the Doug Pedersons of the world because he doesn’t deserve that.

McVay & Shanny actually got their teams to SBs with their mediocre QBs. Can’t say the same for Arians. I still have love for the guy, don’t get me wrong.
 

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Where did I say in that post that Arians didn’t matter? He was a good coach for us. Sorry, I’m not going to do backflips & hold him in a similar regard to the Doug Pedersons of the world because he doesn’t deserve that.

McVay & Shanny actually got their teams to SBs with their mediocre QBs. Can’t say the same for Arians. I still have love for the guy, don’t get me wrong.

Palmer is and was a mediocre QB.
 

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Huh?

Indianapolis 2011 pre-Arians: 2-14
Indianapolis 2012 with Arians: 11-5

Arizona 2012 pre-Arians: 5-11
Arizona 2013 with Arians: 10-6
Arizona 2017 with Arians: 8-8
Arizona 2018 post-Arians: 3-11

Tampa Bay 2019 pre-Arians: 5-11
Tampa Bay 2019 with Arians: 7-9

:shrug:

...dbs
Los Angeles Rams 2017 pre-McVay: 4-12
Los Angeles Rams 2017: 11-5


Solar basically said that McVay inherited a significantly more talented roster than Arians did with us. I don’t believe that. He took a team with a worse record than our 2012 team & finished with a better record than our 2013 team.
 

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Palmer was a MVP candidate without Arians before.

Had a couple of up years, a few bad years, and a lot of mediocre ones. He was mediocre.
 

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Where did I say in that post that Arians didn’t matter? He was a good coach for us. Sorry, I’m not going to do backflips & hold him in a similar regard to the Doug Pedersons of the world because he doesn’t deserve that.

McVay & Shanny actually got their teams to SBs with their mediocre QBs. Can’t say the same for Arians. I still have love for the guy, don’t get me wrong.
What the hell has Doug Pederson done besides one streaky Super Bowl run? His teams play in the garbage NFC East and have barely held on to do anything that matters outside of that one year. He has had a ton of talent to work with for years. He's an alright coach, but that's about it.

Los Angeles Rams 2017 pre-McVay: 4-12
Los Angeles Rams 2017: 11-5


Solar basically said that McVay inherited a significantly more talented roster than Arians did with us. I don’t believe that. He took a team with a worse record than our 2012 team & finished with a better record than our 2013 team.
McVay inherited a team with a #1 overall draft pick at QB, a rookie top-ten pick RB one year removed from the Pro Bowl, two superstar DTs/DEs in Brockers and Donald, a top drafted edge player in Robert Quinn, Lamarcus Joyner... I could go on. He also had a decent offensive line and the ability to go pick up some key players in free agency.

Arians had 0 QBs, 0 RBs, Larry Fitzgerald, Calais Campbell, Patrick Peterson, and the corpse of Darnell Dockett. 28 of the 53 players from 2012 were not on the roster in Arians' first year, 2013.
 

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Palmer was a MVP candidate without Arians before.

Which year? He’s been to three Pro Bowls — one with us. His only All Pro nod was with us in 2015 — when he was 2nd team. This is nonsense. Before he came here, Carson Palmer was Matt Stafford.
 

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When I think mediocre I picture guys like Jake Plummer or Kelly Collins. Palmer was streaky but not an average QB by any means.
 

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When I think mediocre I picture guys like Jake Plummer or Kelly Collins. Palmer was streaky but not an average QB by any means.
This board's definition of mediocre is off the charts. Top ten QB in NFL history in all of the major categories? Mediocre. Throw for nearly 4,000 yards and nearly 30 TDs? Mediocre. Four consecutive seasons above 4,000 yards? Mediocre.

Y'know, all while ignoring that only two quarterbacks in our history have ever exceeded that mark, and it's happened three times ever.

No one is "good" here unless they're a top five QB with consecutive playoff appearances, a championship, and 5 All-Pro designations, otherwise something or someone else is the reason for their success.

To be elite, you need to be drafted within the past three years and have either played in an Air Raid system or be able to run with the ball above all.
 

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What the hell has Doug Pederson done besides one streaky Super Bowl run? His teams play in the garbage NFC East and have barely held on to do anything that matters outside of that one year. He has had a ton of talent to work with for years. He's an alright coach, but that's about it.


McVay inherited a team with a #1 overall draft pick at QB, a rookie top-ten pick RB one year removed from the Pro Bowl, two superstar DTs/DEs in Brockers and Donald, a top drafted edge player in Robert Quinn, Lamarcus Joyner... I could go on. He also had a decent offensive line and the ability to go pick up some key players in free agency.

Arians had 0 QBs, 0 RBs, Larry Fitzgerald, Calais Campbell, Patrick Peterson, and the corpse of Darnell Dockett. 28 of the 53 players from 2012 were not on the roster in Arians' first year, 2013.
What’s streaky about it? He has made the playoffs 3 out of 4 years there & the 1 year he missed it, it was his & Wentz’s rookie year. You know you, me, & everyone else here would be doing backflips if Arians did what Pederson has done, especially with a backup(!!!!) QB. He doesn’t have a ton of talent. He just has a good OLine/DLine. Most of the skill positions players leave a lot to be desired.


Goff was trash as hell.

Gurley was coming off a horrific season.

Brockers ain’t no superstar or even star.

Quinn was having major back problems around that time.

Joyner? You serious?

OLine was horrific until they got Whitworth.


Arians had Peterson, Tyrann, Larry, & DWash.


Only standout player you really say McVay inherited was obviously Donald &.......? Trumaine Johnson maybe?
 

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I just know this board isn’t going to convince itself that what Arians did here was more impressive than what Pederson has done for a once ringless franchise.

Nah, no way.
 

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Which year? He’s been to three Pro Bowls — one with us. His only All Pro nod was with us in 2015 — when he was 2nd team. This is nonsense. Before he came here, Carson Palmer was Matt Stafford.
2005.
 

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What’s streaky about it? He has made the playoffs 3 out of 4 years there & the 1 year he missed it, it was his & Wentz’s rookie year. You know you, me, & everyone else here would be doing backflips if Arians did what Pederson has done, especially with a backup(!!!!) QB. He doesn’t have a ton of talent. He just has a good OLine/DLine. Most of the skill positions players leave a lot to be desired.


Goff was trash as hell.

Gurley was coming off a horrific season.

Brockers ain’t no superstar or even star.

Quinn was having major back problems around that time.

Joyner? You serious?

OLine was horrific until they got Whitworth.


Arians had Peterson, Tyrann, Larry, & DWash.


Only standout player you really say McVay inherited was obviously Donald &.......? Trumaine Johnson maybe?

Whisenhunt almost took us to a Super Bowl with what was functionally a backup QB. Then he took us to the playoffs again and won. That's the comp. The Eagles made it into the playoffs the past two years based off of the complete ineptitude of their division. 9-7 is not some kind of a feat. Arians got us better records with worse talent and probably would have managed to win a playoff game with a backup (!!!!) QB if he wasn't down to his third stringer in Lindley, who is probably the worst QB to start a playoff game in NFL history.

Dude, if you want me to start talking about the players McVay acquired that season, we can dance that dance too. But Arians didn't walk in the door with Tyrann on the roster. I did mess up and thought Washington was on suspension beforehand, but regardless.

Goff still had all of the potential in the world. You blame bad coaches or OCs for QB play all the time - why isn't Jeff Fisher on your list of archaic coaches ruining players' offensive potential?

Gurley had a bad season, but again - Fisher. A year prior he was the toast of the NFL.

Brockers wasn't a star, but he's certainly on par with what Dockett was at the time, and a player worthy of an extension as a part of the defense.

Quinn played in 15 games in McVay's opening year and had 8 sacks. Back problems the year prior or not, he was still on the roster and showed up way more than Sam Acho, the only OLB retained by the Cards the year prior.

Joyner was good enough for the Rams to franchise him the next year. Thanks for bringing up Trumaine Johnson, that's more ammo to the cause.

The OLine had Havenstein, still with the team today, Saffold, who made second-team All-Pro in 2017, John Sullivan, a former first-team All-Pro... Arians returned Daryn Colledge, Bobby Massie, and Lyle Sendlein. None of those guys sniffed anything of relevance in their career before him, or with him.

McVay inherited a highly talented roster with depth. Arians had to deal with a team literally rebuilding half of the roster. This is a classic "I don't like these guys because I'm DVontel and I refuse to look at statistics or accolades" situation.

I mean, I like you, and our arguments can be fun, but come on man, everyone out there will say that Fisher sucked but had a ton of talent on that roster before McVay came in.
 

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Whisenhunt almost took us to a Super Bowl with what was functionally a backup QB. Then he took us to the playoffs again and won. That's the comp. The Eagles made it into the playoffs the past two years based off of the complete ineptitude of their division. 9-7 is not some kind of a feat. Arians got us better records with worse talent and probably would have managed to win a playoff game with a backup (!!!!) QB if he wasn't down to his third stringer in Lindley, who is probably the worst QB to start a playoff game in NFL history.

Dude, if you want me to start talking about the players McVay acquired that season, we can dance that dance too. But Arians didn't walk in the door with Tyrann on the roster. I did mess up and thought Washington was on suspension beforehand, but regardless.

Goff still had all of the potential in the world. You blame bad coaches or OCs for QB play all the time - why isn't Jeff Fisher on your list of archaic coaches ruining players' offensive potential?

Gurley had a bad season, but again - Fisher. A year prior he was the toast of the NFL.

Brockers wasn't a star, but he's certainly on par with what Dockett was at the time, and a player worthy of an extension as a part of the defense.

Quinn played in 15 games in McVay's opening year and had 8 sacks. Back problems the year prior or not, he was still on the roster and showed up way more than Sam Acho, the only OLB retained by the Cards the year prior.

Joyner was good enough for the Rams to franchise him the next year. Thanks for bringing up Trumaine Johnson, that's more ammo to the cause.

The OLine had Havenstein, still with the team today, Saffold, who made second-team All-Pro in 2017, John Sullivan, a former first-team All-Pro... Arians returned Daryn Colledge, Bobby Massie, and Lyle Sendlein. None of those guys sniffed anything of relevance in their career before him, or with him.

McVay inherited a highly talented roster with depth. Arians had to deal with a team literally rebuilding half of the roster. This is a classic "I don't like these guys because I'm DVontel and I refuse to look at statistics or accolades" situation.

I mean, I like you, and our arguments can be fun, but come on man, everyone out there will say that Fisher sucked but had a ton of talent on that roster before McVay came in.
Pederson didn’t have a HOF QB to latch onto like Wiz did. Absolutely awful comparison. He has done it with a QB that’s been on 3 different teams & another guy who you think isn’t even good. Doesn’t have the upper-echelon skill position players like Fitz or Boldin either.


Arians got us better records with better talent. Everybody knew how bad Lindley was way before the playoff start. So why didn’t Arians?


I messed up on Tyrann. Just switch him with DWash & the argument stands.

Everyone know what Jeff Fisher is. I don’t need to bark up that tree. Goff went #1, but he never was that highly touted of a QB prospect.

Gurley could have also had another bad season, but look who came to his rescue.

Just because Joyner got franchised doesn’t mean it was a good decision at the time. I bet you’re not going to be doing that same song & dance when Drake gets that new contract.

None of those OLinemen were good beforehand. None of them did anything of note until McVay came in.

McVay just inherited Donald & Johnson. Literally just those two guys. Maybe I’ll throw Gurley in there as well. Everyone else is far cry.

Call it whatever you want it.

Rams didn’t have a ton of talent. McVay just made it seem that way because he elevated the absolute hell out of it like a very good coach does.
 

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If BA was a great HC he would have had more offers than just Tampa.

He's a good coach but certainly not top 5. Just about top 10 maybe.

Bleacher ranked in 10 last year

Head coach rankings had him 8th on last year's performance. Kliff was 19th.

Sporting news 15th.

He generally well in that range. 10 to 12 on average. Which is about right. Good HC. Not great.
 

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So who is going to be MB's successor once father time catches up to him?
 

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Pete Carroll averages 10 wins a year with some below average rosters. He's a top 5 HC coach for sure.

Also BA has been a HC for what? 6.5 years total? Some of these guys have been top of thier game for close to 20 years.
Pete Carroll had a future hall of fame QB on a rookie deal and a top 5 defense...won 1 Super Bowl. He is very similar to Tomlin.
 

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Pete Carroll had a future hall of fame QB on a rookie deal and a top 5 defense...won 1 Super Bowl. He is very similar to Tomlin.
Imagine how much better Russ would be than he already is if he didn’t have a HC that didn’t want to run an offense stuck in 2001.
 

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