Michael Floyd - womp womp

[SECTION 11]

Is this thread serious?

 

[Goldfield]

He did recover a fumble.

 

[Cheesebeef]

WTH is the deal with these kinds of posts? Is it some kind of desire to be the first "I called it" if the player doesn't do well? Is it some kind of attempt to be funny? Sarcasm?

I'm being serious. Have no idea why anyone would post something like this about any rookie after ONE regular season game.

agreed. I'm not a big fan of the pick, but give the kid some time before saying "He was brought in to open it up for fitz... and he HASN'T!" or he's a bust after one freaking game.

 

[Bodha]

How many catches do you expect him to have when:

1. Theres Larry
2. Andre Roberts played great
3. Doucet is our slot guy
4. Heap made an impact
5. Floyd is our #4 WR


Id be shocked if he had a reception in that game.

 

[PACardsFan]

I'm a ND fan & watched this guy's ENTIRE college career. His play & his numbers speak for themselves. To think this guy isn't a bonafide stud is absolutely ludicrous. Having watched EVERY game he played in college, I absolutely loved the pick. I'm not saying that as a ND homer, because there have been many ND players (like Jimmy Clausen) who I would have puked if we even considered drafting them. Floyd will be outstanding, just wait & see.

 

[kerouac9]

How many catches do you expect him to have when:

1. Theres Larry
2. Andre Roberts played great
3. Doucet is our slot guy
4. Heap made an impact
5. Floyd is our #4 WR


Id be shocked if he had a reception in that game.

To be fair to the original poster, I think the expectation was that Andre Roberts would be moved into the slot, and Doucet would become the #4 WR. I think that makes the most sense from a matchup and strategic perspective.

I think that fans should note (not even be concerned about, just note) that the Cards weren't particularly motivated to re-sign Doucet. They let him sit out in free agency for three or four weeks before signing him to a modest contract.

I think I like Doucet more than the Cards do. They drafted Michael Floyd in the first round for a reason. I'm not worried or concerned or anything yet, but it's not like there aren't signs for note in the idea that our first round pick got one look in the first game of the year, and barely got a mention during the broadcast outside of one very negative play (it's been said a lot, but a wide receiver should never be called for false start).

These threads become less inappropriate if Floyd hasn't started making some impact by mid-season. Jurecki was saying yesterday that the Cards would probably like to bring Floyd around like they did DRC. Now why you'd want to treat a three-year starter at Notre Dame with the same kid gloves you treated a kid from Tennessee State is another argument.

 

[Lights]

Mega bust... 0 catches.

He had 1 target the whole game. You have to be trolling, being around that long, you can't be that stupid.

 

[Pariah]

He had 1 target the whole game. You have to be trolling, being around that long, you can't be that stupid.

To be fair, the lack of targets isn't an excuse for him, IMO. Lack of targets could mean he's not getting open--either in the game or in practice--enough for the QB to be looking at him.

I'm still not really all that worried about him yet, but pointing to his targets isn't a good way to let him off the hook.

 

[desertdawg]

Mega bust... 0 catches.

Take your dome back please.

 

[Redheart]

"womp womp?"

Really?

Yea...I thought it was little early to break out the "womp womp", too...

 

[Mulli]

To be fair, the lack of targets isn't an excuse for him, IMO. Lack of targets could mean he's not getting open--either in the game or in practice--enough for the QB to be looking at him.

I'm still not really all that worried about him yet, but pointing to his targets isn't a good way to let him off the hook.

Yes, it is. If you aren't getting targets, you aren't getting a chance.

Sort of. kind of.

 

[Pariah]

Yes, it is. If you aren't getting targets, you aren't getting a chance.

Sort of. kind of.

Doesn't he have to take responsibility for his targets to a degree? If he's not getting open, why would they throw him the ball?

 

[Bodha]

To be fair, the lack of targets isn't an excuse for him, IMO. Lack of targets could mean he's not getting open--either in the game or in practice--enough for the QB to be looking at him.

I'm still not really all that worried about him yet, but pointing to his targets isn't a good way to let him off the hook.

There is a read progression.

You think with our Oline, Skelton or Kolb can successfully go from 1. Larry, 2. Andre, 3. Doucet, to 4. Michael and deliver the ball?

Heck no.


Usually, it goes Larry, Andre, Larry, dump off to RB or TE before the OLB crushes you. All in a matter of 3-4 seconds.

 

[Mulli]

There is a read progression.

You think with our Oline, Skelton or Kolb can successfully go from 1. Larry, 2. Andre, 3. Doucet, to 4. Michael and deliver the ball?

Heck no.


Usually, it goes Larry, Andre, Larry, dump off to RB or TE before the OLB crushes you.

This is what I was thinking.

 

[kerouac9]

Doesn't he have to take responsibility for his targets to a degree? If he's not getting open, why would they throw him the ball?

That's fair, but as Bodha points out, there is a progression. There probably aren't a lot of plays where the #4 WR is the primary option (although I'd disagree that the options are always in line with the personnel--there are plenty of plays where Larry Fitzgerald doesn't necessarily expect the ball in the design of the play).

I think we can fairly say that Floyd probably hasn't earned more looks in the offense and hasn't earned more snaps on game day. That's what we know for sure right now.

Whether that's a short- or long-term concern is something that I don't think we have enough data on.

Yet.

 

[Mulli]

That's fair, but as Bodha points out, there is a progression. There probably aren't a lot of plays where the #4 WR is the primary option (although I'd disagree that the options are always in line with the personnel--there are plenty of plays where Larry Fitzgerald doesn't necessarily expect the ball in the design of the play).

I think we can fairly say that Floyd probably hasn't earned more looks in the offense and hasn't earned more snaps on game day. That's what we know for sure right now.

Whether that's a short- or long-term concern is something that I don't think we have enough data on.

Yet.

Right.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The only cause for concern would have been if he was a healthy inactive. And, I'm still not sure that would be cause. Kendall Wright had 3 catches, which obvioulsy means he going to be 3 times better than Floyd .

 

[Duckjake]

How many catches do you expect him to have when:

1. Theres Larry
2. Andre Roberts played great
3. Doucet is our slot guy
4. Heap made an impact
5. Floyd is our #4 WR


Id be shocked if he had a reception in that game.

Sounds more like a list of reasons to have drafted someone else in the first round.

I don't know if Floyd will be good or not but hearing that he is slow off the line of scrimmage and struggles to get separation is not encouraging as we already had a roster full of those guys.

Hopefully he'll follow Andre Roberts lead and overcome those problems and become a highly productive player.

 

[az1965]

Mega bust... 0 catches.

Total BS

 

[52brandon]

Sounds more like a list of reasons to have drafted someone else in the first round.

I don't know if Floyd will be good or not but hearing that he is slow off the line of scrimmage and struggles to get separation is not encouraging as we already had a roster full of those guys.

Hopefully he'll follow Andre Roberts lead and overcome those problems and become a highly productive player.

I thought the general consensus here was that they should always take BPA. Not draft for need...

 

[AzStevenCal]

I thought the general consensus here was that they should always take BPA. Not draft for need...

General consensus, yes, unanimous no. Besides, what exactly is BPA? The definition seems to slide a bit from team to team. I think you should take the player that you think can help your team the most. You never take a mediocre player at a position of need over an excellent player at a position of strength but other than that, there is a lot of wiggle room in the BPA approach.

We need to address the offensive line in the draft. If there is an obviously better talent at another position, so be it, but if the difference grades out incrementally, we need to stop drafting wide receivers and start drafting offensive lineman.

Steve

 

[52brandon]

General consensus, yes, unanimous no. Besides, what exactly is BPA? The definition seems to slide a bit from team to team. I think you should take the player that you think can help your team the most. You never take a mediocre player at a position of need over an excellent player at a position of strength but other than that, there is a lot of wiggle room in the BPA approach.

We need to address the offensive line in the draft. If there is an obviously better talent at another position, so be it, but if the difference grades out incrementally, we need to stop drafting wide receivers and start drafting offensive lineman.

Steve

I'm in the minority that believes we got good talent at great places in the draft for Oline. 4th round pick for a starting RT that looked pretty good and then Kelemete even later. I'm happy with that personally. Time will tell though...

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'm in the minority that believes we got good talent at great places in the draft for Oline. 4th round pick for a starting RT that looked pretty good and then Kelemete even later. I'm happy with that personally. Time will tell though...

I like the two we selected this year, I just think we needed more than two.

Steve

 

[TJ]

Mega bust... 0 catches.

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[WildBB]

How many targets did Floyd have? I was at the game but I don't remember them trowing his directly much, if at all. I kept waiting for them to throw his direction in the redzone because he was single covered the whole time and they kept rolling the safety over to Fitz.

This is exactly why they drafted him.