Michael Pittman In Trouble Again

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Originally posted by Brian in Mesa
My question: Where are all the Pittman apologists now? In the past, when I ripped on Pittman and said he needed help - many tried to make light of his incidents with his wife, including charging through a glass door (endangering his infant son). Maybe this new incident will shut the apologists up? I hope so. The guy has a history of abusing women and putting his own son's life in danger. He needs serious mental help and some imprisonment.


Brian, I have never agreed with you more fully.

I wish I could find some of the comments from people who defended him before. I think it was Devon Cards Fan who called Pittman a "great role model for his son".
 

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:confused: Crashing a Humvee into a car with innocent people inside. "Whoa man", this guy needs a lot of help. Jail time and lots of anger management control for starters, or this will get a lot worse!
 

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Settle down guys.... he's just misunderstood.... he's really a caring father..... Until he kills someone anyway!!!!!!!!! This guy has had his chances to change his ways. It doesn't look like it's going to happen.... throw him in Jail where all the non-celebrities would be right now........ I can't believe they let him leave town.............
 

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Originally posted by Indiana Hoosier
:confused: Crashing a Humvee into a car with innocent people inside. "Whoa man", this guy needs a lot of help. Jail time and lots of anger management control for starters, or this will get a lot worse!


Hey! I like your signature!
 

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I don't care if he only punched a wall last time. The point is, you don't lash out and hit things - objects or people - when you're mad unless you have a problem controlling your temper.
 

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I wasn't on the board for Pitt's last incident

Count yourself as lucky then. It gave the opportunity for some sick people (the long gone and infamous "Richard" comes to mind) to spew a lot of garbage.

And to think this clown actually had the gall to knock the fans and media here last summer for making too much of his arrest. I wonder what Prisco thinks about that interview and stance he took now? (You know, "poor, misunderstood Pittman lost on a bad team, he'll be the next Priest Holmes.")
 

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The real story on Pittman is even worse than originally reported. The fight was NOT over Pitt wanting to take his 2 year old son to training camp.

According to his wife, the fight was over an affair he's been having. (Michael always throws his son into these situations to make himself look good) Pitt kicked her out of the house, and ran his Hummer into her Mercedes as she was trying to leave.

Mrs. Pittman had the two children, and the 18 year old babysitter in the vehicle with her.

These are felony charges he's facing. He's already on probation. It would be a crying shame if he's allowed to play this season, regardless of how much stalling his money can buy.
 

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Calling for his head in St. Pete....

Bucs, isn't it (past) time to cut Pittman?


By GARY SHELTON, Times Sports Columnist
© St. Petersburg Times
published June 2, 2003

In the wake of violence, there are questions to be asked. In the aftermath of rage, there are answers to be sought.

In the matter of Michael Pittman, however, this is what you keep coming back to:

Why is this guy still a Buc?

Let everyone else unravel the details. Let the law worry about jail time, and let the league worry about suspension time. Let someone else sort through the excuses and the explanations. Around here, there is a simpler question:

Why is this guy still employed?

It has been hours now since news of the latest arrest of Pittman has reached the offices of One Buc Place. There has been plenty of time to release Pittman and launch the search for a replacement. Doesn't Jon Gruden get to work about 3:17 a.m.? Why then, did Pittman last past 3:30?

After all, this is Pittman's third strike. According to Phoenix police, an enraged Pittman rammed his Hummer into a Mercedes containing his wife, Melissa; his 2-year-old son, Mycah; and the family's 18-year-old babysitter. Pittman, who was arrested and charged in 2001 and in 1997 in domestic violence incidents, faces a possible six felony counts for Saturday's incident.

How many, exactly, are the Bucs waiting for?

How can any team tolerate this? How can it try to spin things to say that, hey, it's just waiting for due process and all? How can it assure its fans that when it talks about standards, it isn't just making noise.

Answer: This time, it can't.

The next few days are going to be crucial for the Bucs, a team that has dealt with its troubles this offseason by saying no comment until the questions went away. This time, people are watching.

If the Bucs don't release Pittman, what they're saying to their players is this: keep getting first downs, and we don't care what your legal problems are.

It is one thing to talk about how much you oppose domestic violence when it happens to another player on another team a thousand miles away, or when it is an untalented free agent who stands accused. The less it threatens a team, the easier it is to get to the high morale ground.

But when the player involved is the starting tailback, who is coming off a great game in a Super Bowl victory, who doesn't have a proven backup, is a team willing to stand for less?

We'll see.

It comes to this. A sports team has to stand for something grander than its won-loss record. It has to represent higher standards and greater goals. That's why so many fans have bonded with players such as Derrick Brooks, John Lynch and Ronde Barber over the years.

If an organization is going to say such players stand for it, however, it cannot stand for those who have a history of meltdowns such as Pittman's. You cannot bask in the glow of the good graces of some players and act as if the misdeeds of others have no affect.

When the Bucs signed Pittman last year, they swore they had done their background work, and they were comfortable in giving Pittman a chance. Ask yourself: After this, does Pittman deserve another one?

No, it wouldn't be easy to find another back in June, not even one as good as the exceedingly average Pittman. For most of last season, Pittman was a disappointment, an erect running back who lacked vision and instincts. One scout suggested that whenever he saw Pittman run the Mexican Hat Dance tune ran through his head.

Still, Pittman gained 124 yards in Super Bowl XXXVII, and there is no one else who looks like an every-down tailback on the roster. Not a lot of teams drafted running backs high this year, which means not a lot of teams are throwing backs away this June. The best names on the block appear to be Ron Dayne and Thomas Jones.

Certain things, however, are intolerable. The Bucs will manage with or without Pittman. Make a trade. Start Aaron Stecker. Unleash Travis Stephens. Something.

It's sad. Pittman is one of those players who makes you expect more of him. You see the swollen muscles and you want to believe he's a great back waiting to happen. You hear his soft voice and you want to believe him when he says prior police reports don't tell the true story of what happened.

So what happened this time, Mike? Did you bump fenders going for the same parking place? Were you trying to drum up business for the poor fellows at Maaco? What?

This is the third time Pittman has been arrested on domestic violence charges, however, and there was the 1994 report in college at Fresno State that he had a physical altercation with a woman, though no charges were filed. After a while, are we to believe that everyone else is making stuff up? That everyone is out to get Pittman?

Today, a lot of people are asking questions. That's our nature. We see an unreasonable act, and we want a reasonable explanation. We try to make sense out of a situation where none is available.

What leads a man to this kind of rage? How badly does someone have to lose it before he would ram his car into one that contained his wife and son? How afraid must his child have been? And how long before it all happens again?

Let other people find the answers. Let the law do what it should, and let the league do what it must.

For the Bucs, however, there is only one answer.

Cut him.




http://www.sptimes.com/2003/06/02/Columns/Bucs__isn_t_it_past_t.shtml
 

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Originally posted by Lex
The real story on Pittman is even worse than originally reported. The fight was NOT over Pitt wanting to take his 2 year old son to training camp.

According to his wife, the fight was over an affair he's been having. (Michael always throws his son into these situations to make himself look good) Pitt kicked her out of the house, and ran his Hummer into her Mercedes as she was trying to leave.

Mrs. Pittman had the two children, and the 18 year old babysitter in the vehicle with her.

These are felony charges he's facing. He's already on probation. It would be a crying shame if he's allowed to play this season, regardless of how much stalling his money can buy.

The only way he won't play is if Tampa cuts him, and no one else signs him. It'll take months for this to go through the legal system, and the NFL can't suspend him until a conviction is in. According to Bickley on Ch 12 last night, he's looking at at least one year of jail time, and then a one year suspension from the
NFL. That'd mean two years away from the game, and if that happens he's done. I think he might be done already. The Tampa fans are calling for him to be cut, they've had three or four legal incidents with their players this offseason. They want Gruden to make an example of Pittman. Hopefully, Gruden does the right thing.
 

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Originally posted by Indiana Hoosier
:confused: Crashing a Humvee into a car with innocent people inside. "Whoa man", this guy needs a lot of help. Jail time and lots of anger management control for starters, or this will get a lot worse!
I think some of you are getting a little carried away here. I by no way am trying to be a Pittman apologist, but some of the mob mentality here is indeed getting carried away.
I mean.......a poster mistypes hammer to hummer. Then next its an attack with a hummer. Then on to "endangering other people" with vehicle. "Road rage", etc. ......totally distorted by the end, with some evidently believing the final "takes" are fact.

I also say, that just "locking" Pittman up, to me, especially looking at the history so far, is a very simplistic suggestion, that is over-reacting.
Yes, Yes....I can already guess some of the responses here....."So wait till he hurts someone, right?"

In this case, he obviously needs some psychiatric help. If he's not willing to do that on his own, then I say yes, the law should force him to. But Lock him up yet?
Sorry, I can't agree with that.
That is one of the little "chinks" or "prices" of freedom.
If we start locking people up for what we think "they might do", then we are really headed for trouble.
He has a history of issues. They need dealt with. Simply locking him up is not the answer.


 

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Originally posted by Tangodnzr
I think some of you are getting a little carried away here. I by no way am trying to be a Pittman apologist, but some of the mob mentality here is indeed getting carried away.
I mean.......a poster mistypes hammer to hummer. Then next its an attack with a hummer. Then on to "endangering other people" with vehicle. "Road rage", etc. ......totally distorted by the end, with some evidently believing the final "takes" are fact.

I also say, that just "locking" Pittman up, to me, especially looking at the history so far, is a very simplistic suggestion, that is over-reacting.
Yes, Yes....I can already guess some of the responses here....."So wait till he hurts someone, right?"

In this case, he obviously needs some psychiatric help. If he's not willing to do that on his own, then I say yes, the law should force him to. But Lock him up yet?
Sorry, I can't agree with that.
That is one of the little "chinks" or "prices" of freedom.
If we start locking people up for what we think "they might do", then we are really headed for trouble.
He has a history of issues. They need dealt with. Simply locking him up is not the answer.



Huh? He rammed his wife's car with a HUMMER not HAMMER.

This is his 5th documented domestic violence incident. There is a long pattern and it needs to be broken.
 

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Originally posted by Tangodnzr
That is one of the little "chinks" or "prices" of freedom.
If we start locking people up for what we think "they might do", then we are really headed for trouble.
He has a history of issues. They need dealt with. Simply locking him up is not the answer.


He violated his probation with six felony charges.
What exactly do you propose?
 

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Tango,

He is on probation, and the terms of that probation will determine how much time he does. He will do jail time, but it's not because people are chinking away at your freedoms because of what "might happen". He'll do jail time because he violated the terms of a legal document that enabled him to get out of jail time before. In other words, he's going to jail because of his past and current crimes, not his future ones.

Sorry, but you're riding your moral high horse down the wrong path.
 

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Originally posted by SECTION 11
He violated his probation with six felony charges.
What exactly do you propose?

And this is his 3rd offense in the State of Arizona (not to mention his prior charges in California).
 

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I have to backtrack here a little I guess.

First of all, I have been gone for most of the day. I hurredly dashed together my post just after reading some of the other comments earlier this morning.

When I got home and to the computer, I saw my message still on the screen, and was not sure if it had been posted before.
So I went ahead and hit the submit button again, figuring I could just delete it if it was a double post.

It was after doing that, then reading all the posts that had been posted AFTER I had originally written mine that I saw that it was me who has misread an early post thinking he had just taken a hammer to the car.

His actually ramming the Mercedes with his Humvee does indeed change things to me.

So, yes in that case, he should be given some jail time for probation violation. But I also still do feel that some here are on such a moralistic crusade here that they are over exaggerating some points...namely the recounting of the term "6 felony counts" as of he were some hardened criminal.

I don't think that is the case at all. He obviously has some serious, serious problems that need to be addressed.
But just saying you solve the situation by locking him up, is thinking that's about 100 yeard outdated.

My personal biggest concern is the whole scene that the children are seeing involving Mr. and Mrs. Pittman's relationship problems.
Not just Michael's inappropriate anger management and lack of self control, but the whole dynamic scene thats being played out.
And here, none of us really know ALL of what's really going on there.

I mean, if Pittman's wife is saying this latest scene stemmed from his having an affair.....let's remember that from what we were also told before, it was her that was having the affair, previously.
....So these two must have some kind of love/hate relationship going that needs some serious attention TO THE WHOLE FAMILY.

Say what you want about Michael and the stupid things he's been doing, but other than that, he has generally seemed to be a very likeable person. Friendly, considerate, etc.
He just loses it emotionally within what ever IS going on with those two.

Yes, lock him up for his probation violation. But that is not ultimately what's going to insure the health and happiness of their children in the future. Counseling for ALL concerned would appear to be the most likely avenue to accomplish that....that's all I'm saying.

Be concerned yes.....go on a witchhunt....No!
 

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Originally posted by Tangodnzr
I have to backtrack here a little I guess.

First of all, I have been gone for most of the day. I hurredly dashed together my post just after reading some of the other comments earlier this morning.

When I got home and to the computer, I saw my message still on the screen, and was not sure if it had been posted before.
So I went ahead and hit the submit button again, figuring I could just delete it if it was a double post.

It was after doing that, then reading all the posts that had been posted AFTER I had originally written mine that I saw that it was me who has misread an early post thinking he had just taken a hammer to the car.

His actually ramming the Mercedes with his Humvee does indeed change things to me.

So, yes in that case, he should be given some jail time for probation violation. But I also still do feel that some here are on such a moralistic crusade here that they are over exaggerating some points...namely the recounting of the term "6 felony counts" as of he were some hardened criminal.

I don't think that is the case at all. He obviously has some serious, serious problems that need to be addressed.
But just saying you solve the situation by locking him up, is thinking that's about 100 yeard outdated.

My personal biggest concern is the whole scene that the children are seeing involving Mr. and Mrs. Pittman's relationship problems.
Not just Michael's inappropriate anger management and lack of self control, but the whole dynamic scene thats being played out.
And here, none of us really know ALL of what's really going on there.

I mean, if Pittman's wife is saying this latest scene stemmed from his having an affair.....let's remember that from what we were also told before, it was her that was having the affair, previously.
....So these two must have some kind of love/hate relationship going that needs some serious attention TO THE WHOLE FAMILY.

Say what you want about Michael and the stupid things he's been doing, but other than that, he has generally seemed to be a very likeable person. Friendly, considerate, etc.
He just loses it emotionally within what ever IS going on with those two.

Yes, lock him up for his probation violation. But that is not ultimately what's going to insure the health and happiness of their children in the future. Counseling for ALL concerned would appear to be the most likely avenue to accomplish that....that's all I'm saying.

Be concerned yes.....go on a witchhunt....No!

Tango you are missing the point. His wife as far as we know, doesn't have 5 incidents of violence. He slammed a females head into a steering wheel in college.

He is a violent, multiple time offender and he needs to see some jail time to open his eyes a little.
 

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Krang, are you trying to tell me jail time will automatically "open his eyes"?

Wow...then why such the recividism rate with habitual criminals?
And if the above is the case, then all society's problems should be able to be solved by just locking people up.

I'm going to use some of the junior high logic that gets tossed around here so often and say....
Wow, man, then all we gotta do is send everyone that's done something stupid, has emotional problems, etc. to jail.....and the problem is solved. Their eyes get opened. They see the light. The sinner gets redeemed. Everything is hunky dorey now......

Yeah right. :confused:
 

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Originally posted by Tangodnzr
Krang, are you trying to tell me jail time will automatically "open his eyes"?

Wow...then why such the recividism rate with habitual criminals?
And if the above is the case, then all society's problems should be able to be solved by just locking people up.

I'm going to use some of the junior high logic that gets tossed around here so often and say....
Wow, man, then all we gotta do is send everyone that's done something stupid, has emotional problems, etc. to jail.....and the problem is solved. Their eyes get opened. They see the light. The sinner gets redeemed. Everything is hunky dorey now......

Yeah right. :confused:

I am now going to do what so many other's on this board have done: Put you on my ignore list.


You can't engage in any conversation without sounding like a condescending jerk. Any of us here would serve JAIL time if we did the same thing. I think it is warranted, and I don't want to see him get the typical jock treatment.
 

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Originally posted by Tangodnzr
Krang, are you trying to tell me jail time will automatically "open his eyes"?

Wow...then why such the recividism rate with habitual criminals?
And if the above is the case, then all society's problems should be able to be solved by just locking people up.

I'm going to use some of the junior high logic that gets tossed around here so often and say....
Wow, man, then all we gotta do is send everyone that's done something stupid, has emotional problems, etc. to jail.....and the problem is solved. Their eyes get opened. They see the light. The sinner gets redeemed. Everything is hunky dorey now......

Yeah right. :confused:

If Pittman was your next door neighbor and worked for the phone company and he rammed his truck into a car that contained his wife, child and babysitter I bet you would say, "Lock him up. The guy is dangerous." But because he is a pro athlete he should get "counseling". I am almost positive that the guy has had court-ordered anger management and/or marriage counseling in the past. It hasn't worked! Lock him up before he kills his wife, child or a bystander like his babysitter. Pittman has used up all of his "second chances".
 

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Originally posted by Renz
If Pittman was your next door neighbor and worked for the phone company and he rammed his truck into a car that contained his wife, child and babysitter I bet you would say, "Lock him up.
Indeed I might. But not on a long term basis, nor expecting that to solve the long term situation. And JFYI whether he was MY neighbor or not, would not really be all that germaine to me. My morality is not based on whether someone is my neighbor, or relative, etc.
The guy is dangerous." But because he is a pro athlete he should get "counseling".
I have never said anything one way or the other about the "special treatment issue" in this case. I have made public my view at times before....Neither do I feel celebrities of any kind should get special treatment. Nor do I condone the concept that money "buys" special treatment too.....but it is a reality of our system....regrettably.
My position that counseling is most likely the avenue towards success in actually long term remedying the situation, has nothing to do with his "special" status. I would say that for any man or woman.

I am almost positive that the guy has had court-ordered anger management and/or marriage counseling in the past. It hasn't worked!
LOL....ALMOST positive?????
And how much counseling has that been O wonderous knowledgable one? .....Just for the record, and to elucidate us less knowing peons.

Lock him up before he kills his wife, child or a bystander like his babysitter. Pittman has used up all of his "second chances". I have not said "Don't lock him up". All I'm saying is that for some of you to simplistically say that that's all that should be done, is off base too.





Oh, and I forgot....I'm on your ignore list now, so you probably won't see this anyway.

:D
 

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Originally posted by Tangodnzr
Oh, and I forgot....I'm on your ignore list now, so you probably won't see this anyway.
:D [/B]

Hey, Einstein. I'm not the one who put you on the ignore list. Why don't you read the posts before commenting.
 

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