Mike D'Antoni resigning as head coach of Knicks

[JustWinBaby]

The Knicks just gave up 40 Points in the 4th quarter to lose to the Pacers.

It must have been that piece of crap coach, D'Antoni.

Oh yeah, they fired him, huh.

 

[Phrazbit]

The Knicks just gave up 40 Points in the 4th quarter to lose to the Pacers.

It must have been that piece of crap coach, D'Antoni.

Oh yeah, they fired him, huh.

They certainly blew it tonight but its hard to claim the Knicks results since D'Antoni's ouster reflects well upon him.

 

[JustWinBaby]

They certainly blew it tonight but its hard to claim the Knicks results since D'Antoni's ouster reflects well upon him.

At this writing no, but the story is not over. To be fair they have played mostly softies since D'Antoni was fired. The schedule gets much tougher from here on out. The losing streak that cost D'Antoni his job was when they were playing good teams and Melo was pouting. However, Woodsen has done a fine job thus far considering the situation. Giving up 40 points in the 4th quarter will not sit well with him. Remember he was D'Antoni's defensive coordinator prior to getting whacked. He has seen this act before.

If the piece of crap Melo would have tried to play when D'Antoni was there it could have been different story and the Knicks might have made the playoffs. Melo bascially willed the team to defeat to prove a point. They are in big trouble and I do not expect them to make the playoffs because of his actions, not D'Antoni's or Woodsen's. Woodsen will be the next fall guy if they don't make the playoffs, while Dolan continues to idolize Melo.

 

[Phrazbit]

I would laugh myself silly if they missed the playoffs, but their playoff hopes were equally grim with Mike.

As for Melo, dont take this as a defense for his actions, but I think that he literally had no clue how to function in Mike's offense. He has played with the ball in his hands his entire career, and does know how to contribute offensively without it. And in Mike's offense you cant have a forward who is shooting 39% dominate the ball. His "skill" as a player relies on him being selfish in the offense.

I also think Amare being gone is huge help to Carmelo. They occupied the same spaces on offense and Amare has become a non threat offensively that anytime Carmelo went inside the defense could converge.

 

[JustWinBaby]

I would laugh myself silly if they missed the playoffs, but their playoff hopes were equally grim with Mike.

As for Melo, dont take this as a defense for his actions, but I think that he literally had no clue how to function in Mike's offense. He has played with the ball in his hands his entire career, and does know how to contribute offensively without it. And in Mike's offense you cant have a forward who is shooting 39% dominate the ball. His "skill" as a player relies on him being selfish in the offense.

I also think Amare being gone is huge help to Carmelo. They occupied the same spaces on offense and Amare has become a non threat offensively that anytime Carmelo went inside the defense could converge.

Somone posted these stats on Real GM.

When Carmelo scores 25+ pts, Knicks are 6-12 (0.333)
When Carmelo scores 30+ pts, Knicks are 2-6 (0.250)
When Carmelo scores < 20 pts, Knicks are 18-12 (0.600)

I would imagine that most of those losses when he scored less than 20 came at the expense of D'Antoni. If he would have given effort on defense and team play their record would have been even better when he scored less than 20. As I have indicated he willed them to defeat. He pouted like a little kid until he got his way.

Melo just personafies the image of I am the man and the rest of you suck. Yep, I can't stand the guy.

Certainly their playoff hopes were equally as grim with Mike D as coach. He lost the team that Dolan built.

I join you in your wish for them not to make the playoffs.

 

[JCSunsfan]

It is only a good post because its fits your arguments.

He does not develop players? WTF

Nash, Amare, Marion, Barbosa, Raja, Diaw, JJ, KT, TT, JJack, Felton, Gallo, Mosgov, WChandler, Jeremy Lin, T Williams, Fields . All were developed by Mike and most are still competing mightily around the league. Most can thank Mike for putting a few more zeroes on their current contracts. Poor player development is the most worn out thing he is blamed for. He had no bench in Phoenix but was regularly playing everyone in New York until Melo started complaining about not getting enough touches.

If you want to blame him for rebounding and defense , so be it. That certainly has been a weakness but a lot of that goes on the players he had on the roster. Our defensive field goal percentage was around the middle of the pack but we did not rebound well, that always has been a weakness. However when he left and Amare left, both blamed for poor rebounding, prior to obtaining Gortat we got worse.

Most of it is out right garbage. Mike is well liked and repected by his peers around the league. They know a whole lot more about basketball than you and anyone else on this board.

Too bad if you disagree.

I am not a DAntoni hater but there are indisputable facts. Of the players who you mentioned, they were either already developed before they came, or epically failed when they left because they developed an imbalanced style of play while they were here. The idea that DAntoni developed players like Nash, KT, Raja, TT is silly.

DAntoni said it himself in the Rajon Rondo draft. "I don't like to develop rookies." I love watching his system. I love his style of game. But Steve Kerr was exactly right. He needed to hire a defensive specialist to help develop players in that area. If DAntoni had the sense to listen to Kerr, he would have been in a better position right now, the entire Suns organization would be. But he is too stubborn to take input from others, especially a GM that is years younger than him.

 

[JustWinBaby]

I am not a DAntoni hater but there are indisputable facts. Of the players who you mentioned, they were either already developed before they came, or epically failed when they left because they developed an imbalanced style of play while they were here. The idea that DAntoni developed players like Nash, KT, Raja, TT is silly.

DAntoni said it himself in the Rajon Rondo draft. "I don't like to develop rookies." I love watching his system. I love his style of game. But Steve Kerr was exactly right. He needed to hire a defensive specialist to help develop players in that area. If DAntoni had the sense to listen to Kerr, he would have been in a better position right now, the entire Suns organization would be. But he is too stubborn to take input from others, especially a GM that is years younger than him.

Why did Nash, Raja, KT, TT and many others play their basketball when playing for Mike D'Antoni. I guess it was just luck.

Silly me

If a player only played well under D'Antoni, maybe they were not very good. Since he was such a lousy coach they should have been fine playing for a good coach that could refine their skills.

His main focus was sharing the ball and taking good shots. It was fantastic basketball to watch and it won far more games than it lost. His job first and foremost was to win games, he did that.

I guess you would rather watch Mike Brown coached basketball. His teams play defense but could not win with Lebron. Now he is having trouble winning with Kobe.

No ones claiming that Mike should be inducted into the Hall of Fame anytime soon but all the negative comments about his coaching style is nonsense.

His best move was not to listen to Kerr. Tell me again about Steve Kerr's accomplishments as a GM. I know you will have excuses galore for his poor performance. He was horrible. Nice guy but a horrible GM.

We basically lost Shaq and Amare on his watch, for nothing. We sold a butt load of drafts picks. We had lousy drafts, when we did draft. He made a horrible hire in Porter. Other than that he was fantastic.

Mike's record as our head coach is well documented and it was stellar. Kerr's record as our GM is well documented, it is abysmal.

Silly Mike he should have listened to him.

 

[elindholm]

Why did Nash, Raja, KT, TT and many others play their basketball when playing for Mike D'Antoni. I guess it was just luck.

Nash has played his best in his second Suns stint because he is a better player than he was in Dallas and is the team's undisputed leader. Bell was in Phoenix during the prime of his career and with a team that made the best use of his limited skills. The idea that Kurt Thomas played better for Phoenix than anywhere else he has been is absurd. I can't even believe you're mentioning Tim Thomas's brief run.

Silly me

If you say so.

If a player only played well under D'Antoni, maybe they were not very good. Since he was such a lousy coach they should have been fine playing for a good coach that could refine their skills.

Nash brings out the best in offensively minded players with limited skill sets. That is what elite PGs do. The players that you say D'Antoni "developed" with the Knicks are doing just as well now that he is gone or that they have moved on to other teams.

His main focus was sharing the ball and taking good shots. It was fantastic basketball to watch and it won far more games than it lost.

With the Suns and Nash, yes. He is below .500 in his other coaching gigs.

His job first and foremost was to win games, he did that.

With a style of play that is of diminishing effectiveness as you get deeper into the playoffs, when more fouling is permitted. D'Antoni's offense relies on the officials having a relatively low whistle-blowing threshold. It never works in a "physical" game.

I won't comment on Kerr's record with the Suns, because it's impossible to know which moves he was making because he really wanted to and which ones were mandated by ownership.

 

[Covert Rain]

The Knicks just gave up 40 Points in the 4th quarter to lose to the Pacers.

It must have been that piece of crap coach, D'Antoni.

Oh yeah, they fired him, huh.

What does that prove? They are also playing with a team that Mike put together using basically the same system. You can't change everything midway through the season LOL.

That means nothing. I wouldn't judge his replacement until he has had a chance to tweak the roster and implement his own system. Even great coaches like Phil took some time to tweak rosters and implement systems before seeing results or undoing the damage of the previous coach.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Why did Nash, Raja, KT, TT and many others play their basketball when playing for Mike D'Antoni. I guess it was just luck.

KT played his best ball with DA? In the four years previous to getting to the Suns, he averaged 13 ppg and 9 rebounds per game and in his two years with DA, he averaged 7 ppg and 6 rebounds per game.

And in the four years before DA, TT averaged 14 ppg and 4 boards... and with him, he averaged 11 ppg and 5 boards... and then after him, the next two years, he averaged 11.5 ppg and 5 boards.

And the idea that DA "developed" Nash at 32 years old? Come on. He gave him more freedom than anyone else, but the idea that he developed Nash doesn't hold much water.

Raja definitely had career highs tho.

 

[JustWinBaby]

Nash has played his best in his second Suns stint because he is a better player than he was in Dallas and is the team's undisputed leader. Bell was in Phoenix during the prime of his career and with a team that made the best use of his limited skills. The idea that Kurt Thomas played better for Phoenix than anywhere else he has been is absurd. I can't even believe you're mentioning Tim Thomas's brief run.



If you say so.



Nash brings out the best in offensively minded players with limited skill sets. That is what elite PGs do. The players that you say D'Antoni "developed" with the Knicks are doing just as well now that he is gone or that they have moved on to other teams.



With the Suns and Nash, yes. He is below .500 in his other coaching gigs.



With a style of play that is of diminishing effectiveness as you get deeper into the playoffs, when more fouling is permitted. D'Antoni's offense relies on the officials having a relatively low whistle-blowing threshold. It never works in a "physical" game.

I won't comment on Kerr's record with the Suns, because it's impossible to know which moves he was making because he really wanted to and which ones were mandated by ownership.

Nonsense as usual from you. You make so many false acusations it is not worth commenting on. I will only address the biggest falshehood.

Why does Kerr get a pass because ownership did not let him do his job and D'Antoni doesn't?

It was D'Antoni who's job was on the line if he did not have the right players.

It was Kerr's job to get them, he didn't. Kerr wanted to play coach rather than GM. To my knowledge Kerr has never coached a game in his life but he knew more than a Coach than was winning around 60 games every year and had won multiple championships in Europe.

D'Antoni lost his job because Kerr and Sarver did not get him the player or 2 to put them over the top. Kerr was allowed to set the franchise back a decade and kept his job. Mike went to a franchise set back a decade by his new owner. When things were turning the corner the owner went after Melo and set the team back another decade.

I am waiting for the explanation on why Kerr gets a pass and D'Antoni doesn't.

I thought so.

There is no reason. You just don't like D'Antoni and make up nonsense to back your claims.

Players win games in this league. Mike had a very good group in Phoenix, and I think he maxed out their potential, but needed a couple of more players to put them over the top. In New York he inherited a disaster but he and Donnie Wlash had it headed in the right direction until the owner got stupid. He was never given a chance in Denver.

 

[JustWinBaby]

What does that prove? They are also playing with a team that Mike put together using basically the same system. You can't change everything midway through the season LOL.

That means nothing. I wouldn't judge his replacement until he has had a chance to tweak the roster and implement his own system. Even great coaches like Phil took some time to tweak rosters and implement systems before seeing results or undoing the damage of the previous coach.

How can you say Mike put that team together?

To my knowledge he and Donnie Walsh did not want to do the Melo trade. Half the team they had put together are either in Denver or elsewhere. Along with the draft picks, cap flexibility and players they lost in that trade there is no telling how good they could be right now.

Even the GREAT, as you call him, Phil Jackson could not win a championship with Melo on his roster. Of course he did have guys like Jordan, Pippen, Shaq and Kobe. I understand he really worked hard refining their skills to turn them into quality NBA players.

1. Would any of those guys have won a Championship without Phil Jackson as their Coach?
2. Would Phil Jackson have won a Championsip if he had not had those guys on his roster?
3. Would D'Antoni have won a Championship in PHoenix with a legit closer on the roster like Jordan or Kobe. I think so.

Players win Championhips in this league.

It is comical how so many of you hate on the coach that provided this franchise so much success.

 

[Phrazbit]

How can you say Mike put that team together?

To my knowledge he and Donnie Walsh did not want to do the Melo trade. Half the team they had put together are either in Denver or elsewhere. Along with the draft picks, cap flexibility and players they lost in that trade there is no telling how good they could be right now.

Even the GREAT, as you call him, Phil Jackson could not win a championship with Melo on his roster. Of course he did have guys like Jordan, Pippen, Shaq and Kobe. I understand he really worked hard refining their skills to turn them into quality NBA players.

1. Would any of those guys have won a Championship without Phil Jackson as their Coach?
2. Would Phil Jackson have won a Championsip if he had not had those guys on his roster?
3. Would D'Antoni have won a Championship in PHoenix with a legit closer on the roster like Jordan or Kobe. I think so.

Players win Championhips in this league.

It is comical how so many of you hate on the coach that provided this franchise so much success.

lol, a "legit closer". That has to be the most absurd basketball term out there right now. The entire concept of a "closer" in basketball is high comedy. A "closer" appears to be someone who takes the team out of their offense and switches to a very inefficient and predictable isolation set.

And you rip Carmelo apart (who I cant stand) and then call Kobe a "legit closer" when Carmelo's clutch stats utterly destroy Kobe. Kobe is not clutch. There has been endless amounts of stats that show it. However, people cling onto his occasional game winners, while conveniently ignoring that for every game winner he hits he misses 5 and typically was ignoring wide open teammates in the process.

The Suns didnt need a freaking "closer" their motley crew of offensive weapons had far more playoff moments of "clutch" in their 5 year run than Kobe has had in his entire playoff career. They needed to learn how to rebound the damn ball and how to get a stop when it mattered.