Minority coaches

[Mulli]

If the "minority" coaches keep interviewing, who cares? Do you think the owners won't interview/ hire a non-minority candidate because of the Rooney interviews?

Pffft.

 

[40yearfan]

This all started because of a Boivin article about the Cards hiring of new coaches. She was grousing about getting rid of minorities Graves and Horton. Anyone accussing the Cardinals organization of racism needs to have their heads examined. They have to be in the top 5% of minority hiring of the whole NFL.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Evidently you're a whining minority or suffering from white guilt. These owners OWN teams. They should have the right to interview and hire as they please. Anyone who thinks they would be where they are and fielding competitive ball clubs while discriminating against staff/personel on account of race is comical at best. Moving right along...

Not black and feel no shame.

And, I've heard these shameless, tragically comical, "I'm alright, Jack", so things must be fine for you arguments before.

Moving right along..

 

[Cardiac]

This all started because of a Boivin article about the Cards hiring of new coaches. She was grousing about getting rid of minorities Graves and Horton. Anyone accussing the Cardinals organization of racism needs to have their heads examined. They have to be in the top 5% of minority hiring of the whole NFL.

Yes the Cards are one of the if not the most progressive franchises in regards to minority hiring.

No the Boivin article is not why the Rooney Rule is once again a huge topic in the NFL. Because Boivin wrote a stupid article about the team that is the only one to hire minority coordinators this year just shows Boivins a bit clueless.

 

[GuernseyCard]

If the "minority" coaches keep interviewing, who cares? Do you think the owners won't interview/ hire a non-minority candidate because of the Rooney interviews?

Pffft.

No and the point of the exercise is to expose ownership to a host of candidates they may not of considered initially, and prepare minority candidates for future interviews. Having heard Horton address issues, he's clearly someone who will benefit from learning to hone his message through this process.

 

[Cardiac]

If the "minority" coaches keep interviewing, who cares? Do you think the owners won't interview/ hire a non-minority candidate because of the Rooney interviews?

Pffft.

Rooney Rule is far from the answer but it is a start. At least minority candidates get practice interviewing. At least they get more exposure than they would have.

At some point owners will also start to understand that "mirror" hiring practices aren't the best way to go.

 

[JeffGollin]

This all started because of a Boivin article about the Cards hiring of new coaches. She was grousing about getting rid of minorities Graves and Horton. Anyone accussing the Cardinals organization of racism needs to have their heads examined. They have to be in the top 5% of minority hiring of the whole NFL.

Agree, but feel impelled to nitpick (just for the sake of nitpicking).

It is possible to hire minorities for key positions, but still have an ingrained Uncle Tom culture within an organization. Unless each of us can be present inside the facility on a daily basis, we'll never really know what kind of bs goes on behind closed doors. Certainly, on paper (& on the bottom line where it counts) the Cardinals appear to be a color-blind organization, but oh if it were that simple. Whatever the case, we're talking about subtle people-to-people body language that cannot be force-fed or be legislated, but will hopefully evolve.

Meanwhile the League will do its thing to further the brand, & that's OK also.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

Where does it end? At what point do they decide to force owners to sell to black owners, to make the injustice go away?

 

[GuernseyCard]

Where does it end? At what point do they decide to force owners to sell to black owners, to make the injustice go away?

From the sublime discussion of this issue by some, to the ridiculous by others.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

From the sublime discussion of this issue by some, to the ridiculous by others.

I see what you're trying to do.. but for me, the ridiculous part is telling someone they have to interview "minorities" when what you actually mean is black people.

 

[OJanderson32]

I see what you're trying to do.. but for me, the ridiculous part is telling someone they have to interview "minorities" when what you actually mean is black people.

You are 100% right , what minorities native Americans, Mexicans , Porto Ricans, please say what you mean because if you say African Americans then you would have to start calling them the majority since they make up 65-70% of the NFL , then by that how could you justify so few black in the coaching ranks

 

[Duckjake]

The Rooney rule will fade away soon enough. The problem has not been discrimination recently but a lack of black coaching candidates. The # of black players in the NFL is irrelevant because the # of coaches who played in the NFL is small.

Coaching is a career track which most have taken right out of college. These are typical examples:

Harold Goodwin
Offensive Coordinator. Lineman Michigan 1992-94. No pro playing experience. College coach: Michigan 1995-97, Eastern Michigan 1998-99, Central Michigan 2000-03. Pro coach: Chicago Bears 2004-06, Pittsburgh Steelers 2007-11. Indianapolis Colts 2012, joined Cardinals in 2013.

Freddie Kitchens
Tight Ends; born November 29, 1974, Gadsden, Ala. Quarterback Alabama 1994-97. No pro playing experience. College coach: Glenville State College, 1999, Louisiana State 2000, North Texas 2001-03, Mississippi State 2004-05. Pro coach: Dallas Cowboys 2006, joined Cardinals in 2007.

There just weren't that many black college players who would or could follow that career track in the 1970's and 80s. Now more and more are. And as the number continues to rise there will of course be a larger population of black coaches with the credentials to be an NFL Head Coach and the Rooney rule will no longer be seen as necessary.

 

[bankybruce]

The Rooney rule will fade away soon enough. The problem has not been discrimination recently but a lack of black coaching candidates. The # of black players in the NFL is irrelevant because the # of coaches who played in the NFL is small.

Coaching is a career track which most have taken right out of college. These are typical examples:


There just weren't that many black college players who would or could follow that career track in the 1970's and 80s. Now more and more are. And as the number continues to rise there will of course be a larger population of black coaches with the credentials to be an NFL Head Coach and the Rooney rule will no longer be seen as necessary.

This is how I always looked at it. It takes time for coaches to rise through the ranks. There are a lot more black coaches rising through the rank than ever and in recent years many were given chances to be HC's. Soon enough the Rooney Rule will be gone and in the end it served its purpose.

 

[Cardiac]

The Rooney rule will fade away soon enough. The problem has not been discrimination recently but a lack of black coaching candidates. The # of black players in the NFL is irrelevant because the # of coaches who played in the NFL is small.

Coaching is a career track which most have taken right out of college. These are typical examples:

There just weren't that many black college players who would or could follow that career track in the 1970's and 80s. Now more and more are. And as the number continues to rise there will of course be a larger population of black coaches with the credentials to be an NFL Head Coach and the Rooney rule will no longer be seen as necessary.

I agree with a lot of this but with some points of clarification/disagreement.

I would venture an educated guess that most coaches played football at the college level. So while they didn't get to the NFL, reason being lack of physical talent/ability then they went into coaching. I would further say that the career track opportunities were skewed for quite some time, maybe still are to some degree.

I'd highlight the could instead of would for the career tracks up through the 80's and raise you through the 90's.

I hope the Rooney Rule does fade away because it is no longer necessary which is what I believe you are saying.

I should add that I believe most objections to the Rooney Rule by posters is because they are not racist and don't realize that there is still a good amount of people who are, at least to some degree.

 

[Hollywood]

Yes but what minority, you must not be black because any other minority in the NFL is so small they can't complain... the league is 70% black

One of my grandmothers was from Mexico and one of my grandfathers was black.

The Rooney rule will fade away soon enough. The problem has not been discrimination recently but a lack of black coaching candidates. The # of black players in the NFL is irrelevant because the # of coaches who played in the NFL is small.

Coaching is a career track which most have taken right out of college. These are typical examples:




There just weren't that many black college players who would or could follow that career track in the 1970's and 80s. Now more and more are. And as the number continues to rise there will of course be a larger population of black coaches with the credentials to be an NFL Head Coach and the Rooney rule will no longer be seen as necessary.

+1

This is all much ado about nothing. I don't have a problem with the Rooney Rule. You just have to take it for what it was/is: a PR move by the league. "Look at how progressive we are."

Whatever

If the league really wants to increase the number of minority head coaches it needs to start increasing the number of minority position coaches which means starting an intern program or something to get them in position at the bottom of the ladder and let them work their way up.

 

[cardsfanmd]

By that definition, you are a whining minority.

Douché my friend, douché lol

 

[desertdawg]

All this back and forth is good stuff, but we as a group here aint the type of problem still that does exist to some degree. We all believe coaches should be hired by merit and their track record, we are the majority in that view as well IMO.

If somebody really wants to talk about this though, it would take some serious leg work, and after the work you wouldn't be too popular in the NFL huddle.

You'd have to research teams individually and see if there are any red flags, like a lopsided percentage of whiteboy hires. Unless the numbers would be massively significant, and stating the obvious, I think most teams would probably be in the same range when it comes to minority coaches. Head coaches in the NFL is another story.

Everybody is competing for those jobs and there are going to be more white applicants than black, so we will see more white coaches (statistically at least) being hired.... and fired. How many black coaches got fired this year? If there is ony 3 or 4 HC jobs that come up per year (JUST A GUESS) than it's hard for everybody to get a HC job. We had 2 black headcoaches in the Superbowl a little ways back. Lovie getting canned was rough, but them big city teams can folks all day and they don't discriminate. Then again Feetish still has a job and Lovie had a winning record this season...ouch.

I don't mind the Rooney rule. Without it, Horton would have never spoken with the team he now coaches for, so it for surely benefited him IMO. It is messed up when a fake/false interview occurs to meet some rule, but this sin't a black and white area, it's a grey area.

 

[cardsfanmd]

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It's what he does clif. Just put him on ignore.

I remember my first lame ass joke...

 

[desertdawg]

I remember my first lame ass joke...

Do you pencil in a black mustache and play fast paced classical music when you post?

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

I am still furious that there aren't as many Latinos, Asians and Jews in Football as there are in baseball. The NFL needs to do something about this now. After all, Latinos, Asians and Jews are minorities too. The NFL needs a Rooney Rule for these groups too.

 

[slanidrac16]

It's a silly argument. It is estimated that by the year 2042 the white male will be a minority.

Thenfor sure we will stop talking about it.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

It's a silly argument. It is estimated that by the year 2042 the white male will be a minority.

Thenfor sure we will stop talking about it.

What makes you think that we will get to stop talking about it then? We have an African American president and we are still talking about the Rooney Rule

 

[CtCardinals78]

I remember my first lame ass joke...

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[Duckjake]

FYI per nfl.com/teams

Baltimore has 6 black assistants plus one guy who didn't have a picture
San Francisco has 3
Atlanta 5
New England 5 plus one guy with no picture

Each team has 15-16 assistants.

 

[desertdawg]

FYI per nfl.com/teams

Baltimore has 6 black assistants plus one guy who didn't have a picture
San Francisco has 3
Atlanta 5
New England 5 plus one guy with no picture

Each team has 15-16 assistants.

Imagine that, chocolate city leading the list, but Bean town represent'n too? Hoodie is down fo shizzle.