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Summer should bring big changes


With summer upon us, there's a lot of unfinished business in the NBA. Including these questions:

1. Where will Shaquille O'Neal be playing next season?


Shaq isn't backing down from his trade request, not after the Lakers wouldn't consult with him on Phil Jackson (he wanted Phil to stay). He hasn't felt this "disrepected'' since Orlando wouldn't take his suggestion and hire Chuck Daly, which helped lead to O'Neal's departure in 1996.


If the Mavs can get Cleveland's Zydrunas Ilgauskas in a deal, their intentions are to send him to L.A. with Dirk Nowitzki and others. That should be enough to get Shaq to Dallas, the only place he wants to go to, if L.A. decides to trade him. On the coaching front, Jerry Buss is gung-ho to hire Rudy Tomjanovich pronto, while GM Mitch Kupchak is trying to convince Buss to take his time and explore other candidates, including George Karl.


2. Where is Tracy McGrady headed?


He says he'll only re-sign with the Rockets next summer, so everybody has him penciled in there. What a surprise: Steve Francis is backing off his declarations that he won't play for the Magic, giving the Rockets the inside track. But Phoenix is still a serious player and has visions of McGrady joining Amare Stoudemire. Not bad. From this vantage point, the Suns have the better deal on the table, with Joe Johnson and Shawn Marion, vs. the Rockets' package of Francis, Cuttino Mobley and Kelvin Cato.

3. What will Seattle do with Ray Allen?


Like T-Mac, Allen can opt out after this coming season. Allen is expected to ask for max money, but the Sonics don't think he's a max-money player. So he could be on the move, with Chicago one potential destination.


4. What will Chicago and Indiana do with their rosters?


Before the draft, John Paxson sounded like he wanted to do a total makeover. That still applies. He rejected several offers for the No. 3 pick in Thursday's draft, including one from the Pacers' Larry Bird, and wound up with the one player almost everybody wanted: Ben Gordon.


"If I could have got up to No. 3 and got Ben Gordon," Bird said, "this would have been a great draft for us."


Among the moves Paxson is considering, is dealing Jamal Crawford to Seattle in a sign-and-trade. The Sonics have been scouting the Seattle native for more than a year.


Meanwhile, unable to land Gordon, Bird still wants to find a new point guard. He's also trying to deal Al Harrington, who isnhappy as a bench player, and Ron Artest, whose play in the postseason didn't go over well with the team president or coach Rick Carlisle.


Weak market


And you thought the draft was weak? The list of free agents for this summer isn't exactly teeming with All-Stars.


Other than Kobe Bryant - the only marquee player available - Steve Nash, Kenyon Martin and a handful of others, it's a pretty bleak crop when you size up the 157 restricted and unrestricted free agents. That's too bad for teams such as Utah ($30 million- plus) and Atlanta ($20 million) that have more cap space than anyone else. The Suns ($16 million), Nuggets ($14 million) and Clippers ($13 million) plan on being active.


Here's a look at some of the players expected to get interest, with Thursday being the first day teams can negotiate with players, and July 14 being the first day they can sign players to new deals:


Mark Blount - Boston, Miami and Orlando are all willing to overpay for Celtics big man.


Kobe Bryant - Clippers and Suns want him, but who wouldn't? Can't see him leaving Lakers, especially if Shaq is dealt.


Erick Dampier - Walking away from $8 million so he must have a deal already lined up.


Marquis Daniels - Looking at 6-year $38 million deal, but buyer beware: Don Nelson's system makes a lot of players look very good.


Troy Hudson - Minnesota intends to re-sign a player it really missed in the playoffs. If not, Houston and Utah are top suitors.


Steve Nash - Turns 31 in February and already has a lot of tread off the tire playing in Mavs' up-tempo system.


Mehmet Okur - Suns all set to bring in Detroit forward, even if they have to overpay.
Labor pains


The Suns recently sold for $401 million, a record for an NBA franchise, attendance records were established across the league and TV ratings were back on the upswing. But NBA owners called for rollbacks in salaries during recent talks with the players.


That shouldn't make for a happy bunch when players meet tomorrow in Las Vegas at the NBA Players Association's annual summer meeting. While David Stern says that talks have been productive to get a new extension hammered out before the end of next season, when the current deal expires, the union is not that optimistic.


"If what they're saying to us about further cost containment is what's going to be in their proposal, then they shouldn't even bother making it," said union chief Billy Hunter. "They're the ones who say they want to get a deal done soon, so that we don't have to try to get this settled during the season. But they're the ones who are killing that idea entirely."


The union is open to only minor changes. As well it should be. The average salary is now almost $5 million. With owners saying they want all teams to enjoy a profit, even teams that are run poorly - including the one which calls the Garden home - could be headed for another lockout?


"This isn't the NHL," said one league official. "I still think we'll get it done." The two sides are expected to continue to meet throughout July.


Slam Dunks



Toronto is expected to tab Detroit assistant Mike Woodson as its head coach. Woodson, who was instrumental in helping Ben Wallace's offensive development this past season, is the second choice. The Raptors wanted Tom Izzo, but never came up with the necessary money to get him to leave Michigan State. Izzo is smart to pass up this job, just as he was wise to turn down Atlanta a few years back.


The Nuggets are expected to fire Jeff Bzdelik this week. At least that's the word that filtered into NBA headquarters late this past week. Bzdelik's successor likely will be Mike Brown, the Pacers' associate head coach and a former Denver scout. George Karl, a business partner with Denver owner Stan Kroenke, also has been linked to the job. The new coach has some work to do. Several players say there are some major divisions in the locker room, between young (Carmelo Anthony) and young (Nene Hilario), and young (Anthony) and old (Andre Miller and Marcus Camby).

Originally published on June 26, 2004
 

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Whatever the Lakers can get in atrade for Shaq will not be as good as what the SUns presently have.

If you were 25 and your name was Kobe would you rather play with a package of players that includes the present Laker scrub squad + whatever Dallas can send over.

Or a core that includes Amare, Marion and JJ. Marion being a GREAT complimentary player and Amare on the verge of becoming a top 2 or 3 PF/C.

If Kobe's main objective is to win the answer is a no brainer. A core of Kobe, Amare, Marion and JJ could rule this league for 10 years.


Even if the Lakers get Zydrunas and Dirk a core of Zydrunas, Dirk and Kobe isn't nearly as impressive.
 

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Why do we get constantly linked to Steve Nash, Okur, Divac, Ostertag or Barry?
But no mentions on Etan Thomas, Erick Dampier, Adonal Foyle, Stromile Swift, Quentin Richardson, Jamal Crawford, Mark Blount, Kenyon Martin or Marcus Camby (except the little quotes in the newspaper after the Suns-Nuggets games).


We better not give Okur more than the MLE because we could get Swift or Thomas for the same price likely.
 

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But who is Shaq going to play with when he's traded to the Suns. Eisley, Charbarkapa, Voskhul, Jacobsen. That sounds like a championship team to me where can I get my Suns season tickets, oh yeah from all the current season ticket holders that are selling them for half price.



Shaq is not an option.

Okur is not an option.
 
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coloradosun said:
But who is Shaq going to play with when he's traded to the Suns. Eisley, Charbarkapa, Voskhul, Jacobsen. That sounds like a championship team to me where can I get my Suns season tickets, oh yeah from all the current season ticket holders that are selling them for half price.



Shaq is not an option.

Okur is not an option.

If McDyess can stay off the injured list he would be a better free agent Center than Ocur. He should also be available for a lot less.
 

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devilalum said:
If McDyess can stay off the injured list he would be a better free agent Center than Ocur. He should also be available for a lot less.

I agree. I would also rather have him than Mark Blount as long as they think his knees can hold up, and he's going to sign for less. Of course I still think that some team will give Antonio McDyess right around the mid-level exception for a few years. I don't think it will be the New Jersey Nets after Alonzo Mourning and Mutombo. I figured Boston, New York, Dallas, Denver, etc. will all look at him.

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What gives me hope is that the Suns would have to be absolutely stupid to trade their #7 pick to get merely 1.8M$ more caproom just to sign Okur and Nash.
That makes no sense in my opinion.
 

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slinslin said:
What gives me hope is that the Suns would have to be absolutely stupid to trade their #7 pick to get merely 1.8M$ more caproom just to sign Okur and Nash.
That makes no sense in my opinion.

I think its pretty obvious that the Suns cleared all that room for one of 2 reasons.

1. They're going to offer Kobe the max and think they have a really good chance of getting him to take it.

2. They're looking to join the Donald Sterling Wayne Heizinga club.

Of course they have to have a backup plan in case the Kobe deal falls through. Sometimes you have to take chances to accomplish something really great. If the Suns pull out all the stops to sign Kobe and it falls through I won't be critical of whatever happens from that point on.

They'll still have a very solid young core to work with.
 

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slinslin said:
What gives me hope is that the Suns would have to be absolutely stupid to trade their #7 pick to get merely 1.8M$ more caproom just to sign Okur and Nash.
That makes no sense in my opinion.

you are right, but the Phoenix Suns did not get just the $1.8 million in caproom. They got the second taken the second round this year which they used on Vroman, a likely top 10 draft pick next year, and $3 million in cash. They also probably would not have made the deal if they had known that Iguodala would be there at #7.

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Joe Mama said:
They also probably would not have made the deal if they had known that Iguodala would be there at #7.

Joe Mama

I disagree because

1. Igoudala wasn't a lock top6 pick at all.
2. I just don't see how he would have improved the Suns so much.
 

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The Okur rumor is like virus that has spread across the media - just like the Suns promising to draft MA, that the Suns offered JJ in the McGrady deal, etc. Once a rumor gets started, it stays in play at least partially because the player's agent has an incentive to keep the name in play.

IMHO, Okur goes to Utah. The Jazz have no one at center besides the perpetually injured Curtis Borchardt (with a total of 16 NBA games for his career). They can probably get Jarron Collins back, but he only averaged 3.9 rpg in 21 minutes - and he was their starter! On a team with only $7.4 million in salaries, they have to make a bunch of big deals just to get the league minimum.

As long as Utah is the game, I cannot see Okur being available for a reasonable price. I'd rather sit on the cap space than the overpay for a big who is not that much better than what the team has.
 

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George O'Brien said:
The Okur rumor is like virus that has spread across the media - just like the Suns promising to draft MA, that the Suns offered JJ in the McGrady deal, etc. Once a rumor gets started, it stays in play at least partially because the player's agent has an incentive to keep the name in play.

IMHO, Okur goes to Utah. The Jazz have no one at center besides the perpetually injured Curtis Borchardt (with a total of 16 NBA games for his career). They can probably get Jarron Collins back, but he only averaged 3.9 rpg in 21 minutes - and he was their starter! On a team with only $7.4 million in salaries, they have to make a bunch of big deals just to get the league minimum.

As long as Utah is the game, I cannot see Okur being available for a reasonable price. I'd rather sit on the cap space than the overpay for a big who is not that much better than what the team has.

I agree. I'm sure the Phoenix Suns have some interest in him, but they aren't going to pay a Kings ransom for his services. Supposedly the Suns think Lampe is more of a power forward than a center. Well guess what... so is Okur.

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hcsilla said:
I disagree because

1. Igoudala wasn't a lock top6 pick at all.
2. I just don't see how he would have improved the Suns so much.


Come on now. It is really easy to say that Igoudala wasn't a lock top 6 now that the draft is over, but pre-draft, that was absolutely the thought--many thought that Chicago would take him as early as #3.

I hate it when people use hindsight to try to make themselves look good.
 

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Come on now. It is really easy to say that Igoudala wasn't a lock top 6 now that the draft is over, but pre-draft, that was absolutely the thought--many thought that Chicago would take him as early as #3.

I hate it when people use hindsight to try to make themselves look good.

Missing out on Iggy may not turn out to be the big mistake some think it is.

All the pre-draft hype surrounding this guy was based on how well he was shooting the ball in workouts and how he was shooting 6,000 shots a day....

Personally I'd rather have a guy who shoots well in real games which he has not demonstrated the ability to do. The Suns have enough guys that are athletic but aren't great shooters....
 

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devilalum said:
Missing out on Iggy may not turn out to be the big mistake some think it is.

All the pre-draft hype surrounding this guy was based on how well he was shooting the ball in workouts and how he was shooting 6,000 shots a day....

Personally I'd rather have a guy who shoots well in real games which he has not demonstrated the ability to do. The Suns have enough guys that are athletic but aren't great shooters....

I liked Iggy for his defense, but I was beginning to lean toward Luke Jackson because of his proven shooting skills. In any case, we were looking a backup role player rather than someone who could come in and start.

Instead the Suns traded down and go A BACKUP ROLE PLAYER. But they took an inside guy who plays defense and rebounds. Considering the relative price (no more than 1/3 of the #7), I think it was a good move.
 

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George O'Brien said:
I liked Iggy for his defense, but I was beginning to lean toward Luke Jackson because of his proven shooting skills. In any case, we were looking a backup role player rather than someone who could come in and start.

Instead the Suns traded down and go A BACKUP ROLE PLAYER. But they took an inside guy who plays defense and rebounds. Considering the relative price (no more than 1/3 of the #7), I think it was a good move.

this trade cannot really be judged until we find out who we get with the chicago pick.
 
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offset said:
this trade cannot really be judged until we find out who we get with the chicago pick.

It can't be judged until we see the Vromeister in action.
 

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IMO Suns don't have too many athletes: Voskuhl, Vroman, Lampe, Cabarkapa, Jacobsen, Eisley, and Vujanic (possibly) aren't great athletes. Neither are Nash or Okur - Stoudemire, Marion, Johnson, and Barbosa are a solid line-up athletically but 1 injury...
 

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BbaLL_31 said:
IMO Suns don't have too many athletes: Voskuhl, Vroman, Lampe, Cabarkapa, Jacobsen, Eisley, and Vujanic (possibly) aren't great athletes. Neither are Nash or Okur - Stoudemire, Marion, Johnson, and Barbosa are a solid line-up athletically but 1 injury...

I think Lampe will surprise you with his athleticism. He was not in NBA shape this season and I think it limited him. Still, in a game against Indiana (when behind by a zillion points) he dunked on a breakaway fast break. I'm not sure how many 7'0" 265 pound guys could have made that play.

I dug up an old nbadraft.net profile:

Maciej Lampe
Birthdate: 5/2/85
NBA Position: Power Forward
Ht: 7-0
Wt: 240
Hometown: Lodz, Poland
Euro Team: Real Madrid
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NBA Comparison: Dirk Nowitki

Strengths: At just 17 years old, Maciej is the youngest player to ever play with the Real Madrid First Team. Some consider Lampe the best young prospect in European Basketball. Lampe has the potential to become an NBA player in just a few years. He is strong and has unusual fundaments for a 17 years old player. He is best playing the power-forward position but he has the versitility to play the SF position with his great shooting and ball handling. His lateral quickness and movements are very fast and agile.


Weaknesses: The only weakness that Lampe could have nowadays is that he is very young. He needs a bit more mental strength. Because of this his defensive and rebounding skills are not complete. With more aggressivness he can become very strong on defense and rebounding.

Player future: He has trained and played this year with the first Real Madrid Team in ACB League and Euroleague, but he played all the season with EBA Real Madrid Team. Could be a first Real Madrid Team player this year and in a few years he could be Drafted.

Coach and Players Opinion:
Juan Ignacio García Alesanco (coach of Lampe in the junior team of Real Madrid 2001-2002) on Maciej Lampe: “Maciej is one of the best ones of our young players (Edu Hernández-Sonseca is the other one). He is a first year junior (a 17 years old) but is already a very strong player. Besides, he is skilful at shooting, even trying for three. Lampe plays for the national team of Poland. I emphasized their physical power and also he can handle the ball despite being a big guy. He is very versatile player, he can play as a 3,4 or 5”.

This is totally out of date, but the athleticism has been one of the reasons he was so highly rated last year.
 

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Lampe is no more athletic than Luc Longley. He is more agile but definately not athletic. Not even close to Dirk. At best he is close to Brad Miller type of athletic ability.

Zarko is definately more athletic but also thin as a rail. If he actually gets stronger it's safe to say he will lose some quickness as well.
 

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Chaplin said:
Come on now. It is really easy to say that Igoudala wasn't a lock top 6 now that the draft is over, but pre-draft, that was absolutely the thought--many thought that Chicago would take him as early as #3.

I hate it when people use hindsight to try to make themselves look good.

That wasn't absolutely the thought. In the final mocks of draftcity and nbadraft.net Iguodala was picked at #7 and #8.

So much about your hate...

Suns traded the pick because they thought that NOONE at #7 would have helped more the team long term than a top10 pick next year will. Jackson, the cash and the cap relief were just nice bonuses.

I understand that it's painful to understand for UofA fans but that's much more likely than the scenario where the Suns made a huge mistake at their own mock.
 

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hcsilla said:
I understand that it's painful to understand for UofA fans but that's much more likely than the scenario where the Suns made a huge mistake at their own mock.

I'm a UofA fan, but if you paid attention AT ALL, you'd know that I never wanted the #7 pick anyway, even if it was Igoudala (at times, ESPECIALLY if it was Igoudala). So don't go spouting off your "UofA fans don't know what they're talking about" drivel. Go pedal crazy somewhere else. :thumbup:
 

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