Mock drafts QB picks

[oaken1]

I think it is a serious reality we draft Lamar Jackson

ya know...as much as I like Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield... I would be pretty optimistic if we drafted Lamar Jackson and signed either Teddy Bridgewater or Tyrod Taylor...or hell... both of them,lol.. Taylor, Bridgewater, Jackson would be a pretty promising QB room IMO... the future would all be on Lamar... but Taylor to mentor him and help with his accuracy...and TeddyB as the wildcard at QB2

 

[moklerman]

From the draft projections I've seen, Rudolph would be there for the Cardinals and would have just as good of a chance to be a starter as anyone else. 6'5", 230 with some mobility and a good arm...I'd be pretty pleased as a Cardinals fan if that's who they "settled" for by waiting.

It always comes down to the impossible to predict ability of seeing the game at NFL speeds so if you can get a guy with all the physical tools who "might" have as good a shot as anyone else to get "it", I would draft him. I'm more of a pocket passer type of person though so Jackson doesn't seem that appealing to me.

 

[oaken1]

From the draft projections I've seen, Rudolph would be there for the Cardinals and would have just as good of a chance to be a starter as anyone else. 6'5", 230 with some mobility and a good arm...I'd be pretty pleased as a Cardinals fan if that's who they "settled" for by waiting.

It always comes down to the impossible to predict ability of seeing the game at NFL speeds so if you can get a guy with all the physical tools who "might" have as good a shot as anyone else to get "it", I would draft him. I'm more of a pocket passer type of person though so Jackson doesn't seem that appealing to me.

I prefer traditional QB's as well. But in todays NFL a guy who can escape a collapsing pocket and use his legs to extend a play is very valuable... I like Jackson, but with the thought that we mentor and teach him to be a pocket passer and only use his legs to buy more time to throw....or of course run it if there is 20 yards of open field in front of him... does no good to draft an athletic guy if you just let him go out there and get himself killed.

 

[moklerman]

I prefer traditional QB's as well. But in todays NFL a guy who can escape a collapsing pocket and use his legs to extend a play is very valuable... I like Jackson, but with the thought that we mentor and teach him to be a pocket passer and only use his legs to buy more time to throw....or of course run it if there is 20 yards of open field in front of him... does no good to draft an athletic guy if you just let him go out there and get himself killed.

I just can't help think of Vick and RGIII. Short term excitement and success but not so great long term. Of course, planning to have a QB long term is dubious at best so maybe it's better to just get what you can, while you can?

 

[oaken1]

I just can't help think of Vick and RGIII. Short term excitement and success but not so great long term. Of course, planning to have a QB long term is dubious at best so maybe it's better to just get what you can, while you can?

Vick actually had a pretty good career... granted, with a two year break in the middle of it, lol... but the dude played for 12 years or so.

But thats the difference... Vick learned to stay in the pocket... RGIII never learned..was broken before he got the chance really.

watching Jackson though... most of his rushing yardage is on designed QB runs...not just because he is scrambling. I Think the kid is very qualified to just use his legs like Brees or Rodgers, or wilson does,... get out into the flat so he can pass...he is also pretty good at keeping his eyes downfield while he scrambles.
The kid is built almost exactly like Randall Cunningham.... RC was 6'4 and 215 while Jackson is 6'3 and 211.... Cunningham had a pretty decent career with 16 years in the league.... though he was only really a "force" in the game for about five years..

I think in many ways its a philosophy thing.

if we get a mobile QB, the guy running around is likely to get hurt and shorten his career...this is true.

If we get a pocket QB and dont fix our oline,...the lack of blocking is going to get the pocket QB killed because he is too slow to get away from the rush on his own....also true.

which is why I think we need a mobile QB which we can teach to be a pocket passer....so we can get the best of both worlds.

 

[POISON]

Can't speak for Harry, but... something about his delivery doesn't shout out "strong". I am no expert but many of his throws seem to take awhile to get there. He can drop the long ball in, but .... I never have been able to figure out how he was not recruited by any of the schools in his home state of North Carolina.

He was from South Carolina and recruited heavily by many teams from that part of the country.Not sure where you got your info. Cowboys won out as he liked the fact they threw the ball so much.

 

[POISON]

I watched the game between him & Mayfield & I thought he looked pretty good. He was hitting his receivers in stride. Looked very accurate.

His stats speak for themselves. He's an extremely accurate qb who had countless 20+ yard completions. His td/int ratio is off the charts. He's no backup.

 

[POISON]

From the draft projections I've seen, Rudolph would be there for the Cardinals and would have just as good of a chance to be a starter as anyone else. 6'5", 230 with some mobility and a good arm...I'd be pretty pleased as a Cardinals fan if that's who they "settled" for by waiting.

It always comes down to the impossible to predict ability of seeing the game at NFL speeds so if you can get a guy with all the physical tools who "might" have as good a shot as anyone else to get "it", I would draft him. I'm more of a pocket passer type of person though so Jackson doesn't seem that appealing to me.

If Rudolph is there at #15 take him! Be nice to save our picks for a corner, wr or OL.

 

[Southpaw]

He was from South Carolina and recruited heavily by many teams from that part of the country.Not sure where you got your info. Cowboys won out as he liked the fact they threw the ball so much.

"If you look at Rudolph's career this way, it's difficult to understand how so many teams in that part of the country passed on the most valuable piece of a college football team's puzzle: a highly-intellectual, big-armed wizard behind center -- the kind of engine that would get the most from even the meekest of vehicles.

Heading into Bedlam on Saturday, Rudolph is in the top six of active NCAA career leaders in total offense, passing yards, passing touchdowns and completions.


North Carolina, where his father Brett played football, sits just 165 miles north of Rock Hill. The Tar Heels never offered Rudolph out of high school. South Carolina, which sits just 70 miles south of Rock Hill, didn't call either. They weren't alone. Rudolph was right under the noses of Clemson, LSU, Ole Miss, Georgia and many others. Most had interest but few sent offers.

In the end, Rudolph only counted nine scholarship opportunities. Now there are nearly nine schools in the Big 12 that would trade quarterbacks with Oklahoma State if the opportunity presented itself."

https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...of-the-south-and-became-a-star-in-the-big-12/

 

[RugbyMuffin]

5th rated player at his position, simple as that.

......ratings from who ?

 

[DVontel]

If Bryce Petty ergh I mean Mason Rudolph is the selection at #15, please fire Keim on the spot.

 

[Southpaw]

......ratings from who ?

Looking forward to the combine. If any of these guys do not throw, (barring pre existing injury) it might be red flag warning.

QBs I imagine who will throw

Mayfield
Falk
Lauletta
Rudolph
Allen
those not projected to go 1st round

QBs I would be surprised if they throw

1. Rosen
2. Darnold
3. Jackson

List of QBs invited

ALLEN, AUSTIN ARKANSAS B01

ALLEN, JOSH WYOMING

BARRETT, J T OHIO ST

BENKERT, KURT VIRGINIA

DARNOLD, SAM SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA

ETLING, DANNY LOUISIANA ST

FALK, LUKE WASHINGTON ST

FERGUSON, RILEY MEMPHIS

FLOWERS, QUINTON SOUTH FLORIDA

JACKSON, LAMAR LOUISVILLE

LAULETTA, KYLE RICHMOND

LEE, TANNER NEBRASKA

LITTON, CHASE MARSHALL

MAYFIELD, BAKER OKLAHOMA

ROSEN, JOSH UCLA

RUDOLPH, MASON OKLAHOMA ST

SHIMONEK, NIC TEXAS TECH

WHITE, MIKE WESTERN KENTUCKY

WOODSIDE, LOGAN TOLEDO

http://www.nflcombine.net/players/official-invite-list/

 

[Hypothesis]

QBs I would be surprised if they throw

1. Rosen
2. Darnold
3. Jackson

I'd imagine that Jackson would want to throw. He's going to want to show to NFL teams that he has worked on and improved his accuracy, otherwise he'd just be conceding that his accuracy is terrible

 

[BW52]

Looking forward to the combine. If any of these guys do not throw, (barring pre existing injury) it might be red flag warning.

QBs I imagine who will throw

Mayfield
Falk
Lauletta
Rudolph
Allen
those not projected to go 1st round

QBs I would be surprised if they throw

1. Rosen
2. Darnold
3. Jackson

List of QBs invited

ALLEN, AUSTIN ARKANSAS B01

ALLEN, JOSH WYOMING

BARRETT, J T OHIO ST

BENKERT, KURT VIRGINIA

DARNOLD, SAM SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA

ETLING, DANNY LOUISIANA ST

FALK, LUKE WASHINGTON ST

FERGUSON, RILEY MEMPHIS

FLOWERS, QUINTON SOUTH FLORIDA

JACKSON, LAMAR LOUISVILLE

LAULETTA, KYLE RICHMOND

LEE, TANNER NEBRASKA

LITTON, CHASE MARSHALL

MAYFIELD, BAKER OKLAHOMA

ROSEN, JOSH UCLA

RUDOLPH, MASON OKLAHOMA ST

SHIMONEK, NIC TEXAS TECH

WHITE, MIKE WESTERN KENTUCKY

WOODSIDE, LOGAN TOLEDO

http://www.nflcombine.net/players/official-invite-list/

Why wouldn`t Jackson throw>His accuracy is just as good or better than Josh Allen`s.The only thing Allen has over Jackson size.Jackson has just as good a arm.Jackson has more mobility.So because Allen is a big guy he is suppoosed to be better? ********.

 

[cardncubfan]

If Terrelle Pryor ergh I mean Lamar Jackson is the selection at #15, please fire Keim on the spot.

Ftfy

 

[BW52]

Ftfy

The top QBs rating per NFL.COM pre-combine
Sam Darnold 7.10
Seth Rosen 6.19
Baker Mayfield 6.09
Lamar Jackson 6.06
Josh Allen 5.95
Luke Falk 5.64
Mason Rudolph 5.60
Mike White 5.60
Riley Ferguson 5.15
Kurt Benkert 5.10
Tanner Lee 5.00
Nic Shimnek 4.98
Kyle Lauletta 4.85

FTFY

 

[cardncubfan]

The top QBs rating per NFL.COM pre-combine
Sam Darnold 7.10
Seth Rosen 6.19
Baker Mayfield 6.09
Lamar Jackson 6.06
Josh Allen 5.95
Luke Falk 5.64
Mason Rudolph 5.60
Mike White 5.60
Riley Ferguson 5.15
Kurt Benkert 5.10
Tanner Lee 5.00
Nic Shimnek 4.98
Kyle Lauletta 4.85

FTFY

Draft is a crap shoot. For all we know Nic Shimnek could turn out to be the best QB in this draft. Or some other unknown.

 

[Heucrazy]

I wouldn’t be upset with Jackson at 15 or one of the 2nd tier QB’s in round 2. What would really piss me off is Keim not addressing the position at all AGAIN!

 

[moklerman]

For those that like watching video of players that isn't just a highlight reel, I highly recommend this site:
http://draftbreakdown.com/quarterback/

They do more than just QB's but since this thread is on that subject...

What I like about their videos is that they show every play from the player from any particular game, edited down so all the in between plays stuff is gone. I get a lot better feel for a guy that way and it doesn't take forever. Was just watching Lamar Jackson vs. Florida St. and it's a far different feel than the highlight reels. I saw a guy who looks like he's really going to struggle against NFL defenses.

 

[BW52]

I saw a guy who had lousy protection from his OLine .Jackson needs technique work as do most of the QBs in the draft.He has his negative I issues but his positives far outweigh them.Of course watching him,for 3 years I can see the improvement.I think he should have stayed for his Senior season while working on his pocket presence and defensive reads and putting on some more muscle.

 

[DVontel]

For those that like watching video of players that isn't just a highlight reel, I highly recommend this site:
http://draftbreakdown.com/quarterback/

They do more than just QB's but since this thread is on that subject...

What I like about their videos is that they show every play from the player from any particular game, edited down so all the in between plays stuff is gone. I get a lot better feel for a guy that way and it doesn't take forever. Was just watching Lamar Jackson vs. Florida St. and it's a far different feel than the highlight reels. I saw a guy who looks like he's really going to struggle against NFL defenses.

Talking about the same game where he had numerous NFL throws dropped by his pathetic supporting cast?

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This is not even the fan in me, I have no clue where you got that feel from in THAT game. The Clemson game in 2017, I can see why you would think that. I just linked a thread of the highs & lows of his season. Check it out.

 

[WildBB]

I'd like to find out more about Lauletta, White, Litton and Ferguson.

 

[BW52]

I'd like to find out more about Lauletta, White, Litton and Ferguson.

NFL.com combine lists has pre-combine evaluations of Lauletta,White and Ferguson.They have not put a eval on Litton yet.Decent info IMO.

 

[moklerman]

Talking about the same game where he had numerous NFL throws dropped by his pathetic supporting cast?

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This is not even the fan in me, I have no clue where you got that feel from in THAT game. The Clemson game in 2017, I can see why you would think that. I just linked a thread of the highs & lows of his season. Check it out.

I don't base too much off of clean pocket, deep passes. That's about 4% of an NFL QB's game. On plays that I thought were more like what he'd be seeing most of the time, I saw a guy who did not look like his speed was enough to consistently get him out of trouble. After a couple of early runs, FSU's D adjusted and had Jackson pretty much bottled up. Jackson's mechanics are pretty lousy too IMO. Stands very flat footed in the pocket and seems very inconsistent with his passing. Placement and accuracy were all over the place.

I chose the FSU game because I wanted to see him play where he wasn't the best athlete on the field and it looked to me like when he gets to the next level, he isn't the rare freak like Vick who could outrun NFL'ers. If he can't, his passing becomes a LOT bigger issue and he didn't look like a guy who can be consistent enough for a team to rely on him that way. Not to me. He looks like a huge project at best. But again, I like pocket passers and accuracy so maybe he's just not the prospect for me. But I don't see an Elway or Young type that will be a double threat. I see a guy who's really going to have to rely on his running to even have a chance and he doesn't seem to be elite-special in that area where he can live off of it.

 

[DVontel]

I don't base too much off of clean pocket, deep passes. That's about 4% of an NFL QB's game. On plays that I thought were more like what he'd be seeing most of the time, I saw a guy who did not look like his speed was enough to consistently get him out of trouble. After a couple of early runs, FSU's D adjusted and had Jackson pretty much bottled up. Jackson's mechanics are pretty lousy too IMO. Stands very flat footed in the pocket and seems very inconsistent with his passing. Placement and accuracy were all over the place.

I chose the FSU game because I wanted to see him play where he wasn't the best athlete on the field and it looked to me like when he gets to the next level, he isn't the rare freak like Vick who could outrun NFL'ers. If he can't, his passing becomes a LOT bigger issue and he didn't look like a guy who can be consistent enough for a team to rely on him that way. Not to me. He looks like a huge project at best. But again, I like pocket passers and accuracy so maybe he's just not the prospect for me. But I don't see an Elway or Young type that will be a double threat. I see a guy who's really going to have to rely on his running to even have a chance and he doesn't seem to be elite-special in that area where he can live off of it.

Meh, agree to disagree with pretty much every thing here.