Montero Traded to Scrubs, City Mourns

[Dback Jon]

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/6479266/v1206761683/nlcs-gm1-montero-belts-grand-slam-to-give-cubs-lead

 

[Chris_Sanders]

This trade is looking better and better with the unsung hero Godly!

I am pretty sure the Cubs fans were happy with what they got out of Montero last year. It was a win win for both teams.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

Lol

 

[gmabel830]

Playing a bunch of catchers who can't hit but can, you know, catch has worked wonders for us... and they've even managed to have some very clutch hits along the way!

 

[Bert]

Kindof lends credibility to the whole "locker room cancer" rumors that went around after Miggy left here. I didn't want to believe it at the time because I thought he was a good dude, but looks like he's kindof a douche.

 

[Dback Jon]

Kindof lends credibility to the whole "locker room cancer" rumors that went around after Miggy left here. I didn't want to believe it at the time because I thought he was a good dude, but looks like he's kindof a douche.

Yeah...I was thinking the same thing

 

[Azlen]

Was trying to find Trevor Bauer's rap song dissing Montero but it doesn't seem to exist online any more. lol

 

[Dback Jon]

Was trying to find Trevor Bauer's rap song dissing Montero but it doesn't seem to exist online any more. lol

Speaking of Bauer - it is interesting to realize that the net effect of the Bauer trade was getting Robbie Ray...

 

[DWKB]

Some of us knew Montero was a cancer, but wouldn't be believed by his more.......adoring fans.

 

[Dback Jon]

Some of us knew Montero was a cancer, but wouldn't be believed by his more.......adoring fans.

Go ahead, you can blast me


Not changing my dogs name though!

 

[Matt L]

Kindof lends credibility to the whole "locker room cancer" rumors that went around after Miggy left here. I didn't want to believe it at the time because I thought he was a good dude, but looks like he's kindof a douche.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...ontero-calls-jake-arrieta-nats-7-stolen-bases

I think he's a huge douche.

 

[Ronin]

Theo Epstein calls Miguel Montero 'bad teammate' as he explains Cubs' decision
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ad-teammate-explains-cubs-decision/438611001/

 

[JS22]

Speaking of Bauer - it is interesting to realize that the net effect of the Bauer trade was getting Robbie Ray...

This is completely off the top of my head, but it seems like a lot of the moves most of us gnashed our teeth over ended up working out pretty well long term.

 

[AZ Native]

Theo Epstein calls Miguel Montero 'bad teammate' as he explains Cubs' decision
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ad-teammate-explains-cubs-decision/438611001/

That's not surprising. I am currently reading "The Cub's Way" which tells how Theo Epstein built the Cubs into World Series Champs (and Red Sox too). He is very upfront about everything and you are expected to follow his blueprint. Very interesting book.

 

[Dback Jon]

This is completely off the top of my head, but it seems like a lot of the moves most of us gnashed our teeth over ended up working out pretty well long term.

Yup - Upton got us Delgado, Ahmed and Drury
Bauer got us Robbie Ray

 

[JS22]

Yup - Upton got us Delgado, Ahmed and Drury
Bauer got us Robbie Ray

That Upton trade looks like a clear home-run for Towers. Even with the main piece, Prado, failing to pan out.

 

[DWKB]

That Upton trade looks like a clear home-run for Towers. Even with the main piece, Prado, failing to pan out.

How do you account for the years of mediocrity in between now and say, 10 years ago?

It seems to just be ignored in these equations. It doesn't take long for the evaluation of these chains of trades begin to become asinine.

In no way have we received 13.7 WAR back in the Justin Upton trade.

 

[Dback Jon]

How do you account for the years of mediocrity in between now and say, 10 years ago?

It seems to just be ignored in these equations. It doesn't take long for the evaluation of these chains of trades begin to become asinine.

Dbacks had four seasons since the Upton trade. And they wouldn't have been able to resign him, so at best lost two seasons with him.

Not sure what your point is about 10 years ago.

 

[DWKB]

Not sure what your point is about 10 years ago.

I was thinking 2007. Had forgotten about our LDS blip in 2011.

Dbacks had four seasons since the Upton trade. And they wouldn't have been able to resign him, so at best lost two seasons with him.

Speculative at best here.

In those two years, the DBacks lost the trade by 3.4 WAR (2013) and 1.7 WAR (2014).

 

[Dback Jon]

I was thinking 2007. Had forgotten about our LDS blip in 2011.



Speculative at best here.

In those two years, the DBacks lost the trade by 3.4 WAR (2013) and 1.7 WAR (2014).

And this year?

Which is what I am concerned about.

 

[DWKB]

And this year?

Which is what I am concerned about.

Like I said, accounting for all the mediocrity the organization has had, you can't say we've "won" anything. It's Trumpian logic IMO to attempt to.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Like I said, accounting for all the mediocrity the organization has had, you can't say we've "won" anything. It's Trumpian logic IMO to attempt to.

I'm sure you would agree that trades are often made with a longer-term perspective in mind, no? Just because you make a trade, doesn't mean you expect immediate payoff. The facts are that many of the players contributing to the success we see today, were brought into the organization over the past 4 years or so, via deals, trades and drafting while Towers and Stewart were at the helm...

 

[DWKB]

I'm sure you would agree that trades are often made with a longer-term perspective in mind, no? Just because you make a trade, doesn't mean you expect immediate payoff. The facts are that many of the players contributing to the success we see today, were brought into the organization over the past 4 years or so, via deals, trades and drafting while Towers and Stewart were at the helm...

Goldy was drafted by Byrnes.
Grienke was signed by LaRussa (widely known Stewart was not involved).
The signing of good framing C Iannetta and Mathis (signed by Hazen) vs horrible framing of Castillo (signed by Stewart) has really made team ERA improve.
Bradley to BP was done under Hazen/Lovullo.
Walker signed by Hazen.

Ray (2.1 WAR) and Lamb (2.2 WAR) are really the players contributing most that would fit under your description IMO.

 

[Dback Jon]

Goldy was drafted by Byrnes.
Grienke was signed by LaRussa (widely known Stewart was not involved).
The signing of good framing C Iannetta and Mathis (signed by Hazen) vs horrible framing of Castillo (signed by Stewart) has really made team ERA improve.
Bradley to BP was done under Hazen/Lovullo.
Walker signed by Hazen.

Ray (2.1 WAR) and Lamb (2.2 WAR) are really the players contributing most that would fit under your description IMO.

So you are discounting Drury and Ahmed. Got it

Goldy was resigned to a great extension by....

 

[DWKB]

So you are discounting Drury and Ahmed. Got it

Goldy was resigned to a great extension by....

You and 82 carried the water for Towers for a long time through a ton of stupid moves. I don't remember how you two felt about Stewart's short tenure.

You can believe what you want to believe, but I think it's foolish, the baseball community thinks it's foolish, and the results of their tenures speak for themselves.


I think you two are great fans, just not great GMs.