Montero...

[DWKB]

That brings up a good point. With Upton injured and Parra resting, having to move Drew from leadoff, where he's done well, to 3rd . . . why is Parra resting?

I started following baseball during the time of Stan Musial, Jackie Robinson, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Duke Snider. Starters played all 154 games unless they were injured or part of a lefty-righty platoon.

The schedule increase to 162 games doesn't justify "resting" Parra, who best fills the #3 spot until Upton returns, if at all. The results that game? Two hits, none by our #1-7 batters. Stupid managing.

Well..

A) Honestly one game at this point in the season doesn't matter all that much.

B) At 22 and being a rookie, I'm guess Parra hasn't played a lot of games in a season very often.

C) Those old guys must have been injured quite often in their careers considering Musial averaged only 143 G/season, Robinson only 138 G/season, Mays 149 G/season, Aaron 146 G/season, and Snider at 128 G/season. Peak years only, taking out the last couple and first couple.

Sounds kinda like old-fogeyism a little bit to me.

 

[Mulli]

Torre, Francona, Charlie Manuel, Leyland, Cox.... We can debate what "successful manager" really means, but IMO, the guys who consistently put up more W's and L's are the guys who tend NOT to see themselves as mad scientists...

Ozzie Guillen is in that group as well. I think you have something. I wouldn't really call Lasorda a tinkerer. Roger Craig was, but he didn't end up winning so much.

I wonder if the talent of teams means you don't have to tinker so much.

 

[Mulli]

Well..

A) Honestly one game at this point in the season doesn't matter all that much.

B) At 22 and being a rookie, I'm guess Parra hasn't played a lot of games in a season very often.

C) Those old guys must have been injured quite often in their careers considering Musial averaged only 143 G/season, Robinson only 138 G/season, Mays 149 G/season, Aaron 146 G/season, and Snider at 128 G/season. Peak years only, taking out the last couple and first couple.

Sounds kinda like old-fogeyism a little bit to me.

Those averages seem pretty good if they were playing 154 game seasons and not 162.

 

[DWKB]

Torre, Francona, Charlie Manuel, Leyland, Cox.... We can debate what "successful manager" really means, but IMO, the guys who consistently put up more W's and L's are the guys who tend NOT to see themselves as mad scientists...

Funny, Francona didn't become a "successful manager" until he got a Red Sox payroll.

 

[Mulli]

Torre lost in 2001 based on what some might call a tinker. Infield in.

Brenly tinkered a bit. His reasons were why they won it, and why they almost didn't.

 

[DWKB]

Those averages seem pretty good if they were playing 154 game seasons and not 162.

Well first, BC867 said all games and that frankly didn't happen. and second they didn't all have complete careers in the 154 game era Aaron had 6 seasons @ 154 and 16 @ 162, Mays 7 @ 154 and 11 @ 162.

 

[Mulli]

Well first, BC867 said all games and that frankly didn't happen. and second they didn't all have complete careers in the 154 game era Aaron had 6 seasons @ 154 and 16 @ 162, Mays 7 @ 154 and 11 @ 162.

Ok fine. Are you as worked up as you sound about this?

Man, Aaron and Mays were such bums....

 

[DWKB]

Ok fine. Are you as worked up as you sound about this?

Man, Aaron and Mays were such bums....

No, I'm not worked up and not saying Mays and Aaron were bums. I'm saying Parra isn't a bum per false rosy recollections of these HOF players.

 

[Mulli]

No, I'm not worked up and not saying Mays and Aaron were bums. I'm saying Parra isn't a bum per false rosy recollections of these HOF players.

Cheers.

Did you know that there were some years that players actually paid teams for the right to play?

 

[DWKB]

Cheers.

Did you know that there were some years that players actually paid teams for the right to play?

No, no I did not.

 

[BC867]

Back to the main point. With Upton starting rehab in the Minors, why would a Manager choose to rest his best #2 option at this time in the 3rd spot and go with option #3, removing Drew from the leadoff position where he was doing well?

Could Hinch have really not waited until Upton's return to rest Parra? Of course he could have.

It's the same smoke screen as any inexperienced or mediocre Manager in any profession. The huff-and-puff approach. "Look at how many changes I'm making." It doesn't matter if they make sense or not, just that he's constantly making changes. It's short-term management.

Or is Josh Byrnes still setting up the batting orders as he did with Melvin? If so, there's no point in even discussing it. The team is being mis-managed at more than one level.

 

[DWKB]

Back to the main point. With Upton starting rehab in the Minors, why would a Manager choose to rest his best #2 option at this time in the 3rd spot and go with option #3, removing Drew from the leadoff position where he was doing well?

Could Hinch have really not waited until Upton's return to rest Parra? Of course he could have.

It's the same smoke screen as any inexperienced or mediocre Manager in any profession. The huff-and-puff approach. "Look at how many changes I'm making." It doesn't matter if they make sense or not, just that he's constantly making changes. It's short-term management.

Or is Josh Byrnes still setting up the batting orders as he did with Melvin? If so, there's no point in even discussing it. The team is being mis-managed at more than one level.

You got reasonable explanations, you just ignored them.

You've also posted untruthful claims to back your position. Maybe it's time to reset and consider this from another perspective before you rant some more?

 

[Dback Jon]

I am not sure getting so worked up over one game from a team that is 13 under .500 is productive..

 

[BC867]

I am not sure getting so worked up over one game from a team that is 13 under .500 is productive..

You're right. If it were just one game, it wouldn't be worth discussion.

But back in post #18 of this thread, I said:

Why can't Diamondback managers -- Brenly, Melvin and now Hinch -- pick a lineup and leave well enough alone?

Do they really think that micro-managing the batting order camoflages their deficiencies? Brenly's inability (or lack of desire) to communicate directly with his ballplayers. Melvin's extremely passive nature. Hinch's lack of experience?

The damage these goofy lineup changes do to the psyche of our ballplayers is keeping us mired in mediocrity.

I believe that the D'backs have been underachieving. And I believe this is the major reason why.

More than Webb's injury. More than Upton's injury.

 

[BrandonAllen2010]

With Snyder struggling with the bat i dont see why we shouldnt have Miggy starting every day. Well at least until Hester gets a September call up and goes crazy and wins the spot next spring training :wink:

 

[82CardsGrad]

Have we stumbled upon a very viable 1-2 punch at the catcher spot with Miggy and Hester?? Hester look very, very good!