More Thoughts on DBs, Unsung Players, The Game and Leinart to Seattle

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1. I am still completely befuddled as to why the Cardinals inactivated FS Rashad Johnson for the Packer game. First of all, Johnson's play was one of the very few bright spots of the previous week's debacle. He was in good position almost every play, and his tackles were crisp. I only saw him miss one in the game. To then put Ralph Brown in Johnson's spot in the nickel was even more mind-boggling. Brown and a clearly injured Antrel Rolle were non-factors in the game...and quite frankly were liabilities. Which leads me to another befuddling aspect of the decision to do without Johnson...Rolle was hurt...if he went out, what, Brown is the FS? Not only doesn Brown have zero experience at the position and was bound to struggle in coverage (lack of range to boot) he is one of the worst tacklers on the team.

The DB techniques employed in this game were atrocious. Like asking Michael Adams to press Donald Driver...let alone to ask him to cover Driver, without stressing to Adams that the only way he could neutralize Driver would be to use his quick feet, gain inside leverage and shadow him.

As for those of you who want to quit on Adams, don't be so fast. This was his very first taste of playing nickel in a playoff game (again, why oh why Ralph Brown was not used in that familiar role for him?). If and when Adams is properly coached, he will be a good one in that role.

The matchups? Just as mind-boggling. It was clear that the top two threats by far on the field that day were Greg Jennings and Jermichael Finley...and yet, why wasn't DRC locked onto Jennings and Adrian Wilson locked onto Finley?

How about Bryant McFadden's play in this game and really throughout this season? He's just not athletic enough to play the position (when it involves man coverage) well enough, for starters. And, even worse, how many plays does he just simply quit on? Like the forever and a day lob pass Rodgers threw to Jennings that McFadden inexplicably got cement shoes on and let the pass over his head. And this guy was supposed to be a good hard tackler? Anyone see this in his game? Looks like a whiffer out there, far more often than not.

Then, as an entire secondary the pursuit angles to the ball once it was thrown were either non-existant or so far off that it made you wonder if these guys had ever been coached. Same as the last drive in the Super Bowl. Same as during the 99 yard Titans' winning TD. Brutal, and quite frankly, inexcusable for a professional team.

Even the blitz pursuit angles were awful...like Adams leaping over Rodgers when he had a perfectly clean hit on him...like Wilson running on a straight line at Rodgers in the 4th quarter, which Grandma Moses could have easily moved her walker to the right of and been in the clear.

The way this secondary played it deserved to lose. Top think that on first down of the OT, Jennings was still not being covered by DRC---which should have been a given...and had it not been for one of the unsung players (I will get to in a minute) forcing Rodgers to his left on the play, we would be sitting here in total despair perusing the FA CB lists.

2. Unsung Players:

1. LB Clark Haggans: he was the one who pressure Rodgers on the first and ten miss to Jennings. Credit our current joy to him. And he was the one who got to Rodgers on the first play interception. Haggans has been a top notch player for us this year and deserves plenty o' props.

2. TE Ben Patrick: what a good game from him. His catches and RACs were huge.

3. RB/ST LaRon Stephens-Howling. Man, this kid is playing his heart out and playing high quality football making repeated stops on STs and nifty plays on offense. How about the way he battled for the TD on the first drive? Yup, the size of the fight in the dog!

4. DE Bertrand Berry. His two sacks were huge...and if he can get the late sacks, like he hasn't done---check the Super Bowl---and this week, the Cardinals could close out these games. But, he seems to fade big-time. However, his two sacks were one of the main reasons why the defense held the Packers to 10 first half points, which, as it turns out was huge.

5. The entire o-line...who deserve an MVP share with Warner. These guys DOMINATED! And props to Jeremy bridges for pouncing on Warner's fumble...which the Cards compensated for by still scoring on the drive. That was a huge play!

3. The Game. Anyone feel this game was remarkably reminiscent to the Cowboys' game at home last year, where the Cardinals were in total command of the game up 21 points in the 4th quarter and gave up 21 points so alarmingly fast you could have gone for nachos and pee feeling safe and secure and come back mere minutes later with to realize the game is in total jeopary...the Cowboys converted an on-side kick in that game, and game was decided on a Okeafor sack and the punt block by Morey and recovery by Beisel in the end zone.

In a way, despite Rackers' ill-timed and regretful miss on a chip shot FG, it may be just what this humiliated defense needed was to win the game themselves, when that would have appeared impossible the way they were laying down in the second half.

4. As for Matt Leinart to Seattle, the things that makes this scenario intriguing:

1. If Warner returns, Leinart's cap hit nexy year is $6M...and is $14M in 2011. That's $20M over the next two years for a player who quite frankly has done almost nothing to warrant that type of salary.

2. The thing is, if the Cardinals can get a 1st (Seattle has two 1sts) or a 2nd for Leinart...it may be wise to take that deal because with $14M staring the club in the face in 2011, the team may have to release him anyway...and in that case they get nothing.

3. As for trading him to a division rival...hey, the Cardinals already know he's easy to rattle and he's not mobile. Sure, Pete Carroll may help psyche Leinart back up, but, playing NFL teams is a little more difficult than playing Washington St....not to dis on WSU.
 
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Anyone feel this game was remarkably reminiscent to the Cowboys' game at home last year, where the Cardinals were in total command of the game up 21 points in the 4th quarter and gave up 21 points so alarmingly fast

Or the NFC Championship game or the Jacksonville game this year or the Texans game etc.? This team can go in the tank with a big lead better than any NFL team I've ever seen. For the most part it is because they have just about the worst pass defense of any NFL team I've ever seen.
 

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Good writeup Mitch.

Definitely our secondary needs to be better prepared. Better game plan and better tackling. How many times were their WRs wide open in the 2nd half? And when we had someone near them they thought it was touch football. I know the Dline needs to put more pressure on the QB, but the DBs must improve.
 

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cardinals could get no more than a 3rd for leinart, if that. lol at the thought of getting a 1st or 2nd for that scrub.
 

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1. I am still completely befuddled as to why the Cardinals inactivated FS Rashad Johnson for the Packer game. First of all, Johnson's play was one of the very few bright spots of the previous week's debacle. He was in good position almost every play, and his tackles were crisp. I only saw him miss one in the game. To then put Ralph Brown in Johnson's spot in the nickel was even more mind-boggling. Brown and a clearly injured Antrel Rolle were non-factors in the game...and quite frankly were liabilities. Which leads me to another befuddling aspect of the decision to do without Johnson...Rolle was hurt...if he went out, what, Brown is the FS? Not only doesn Brown have zero experience at the position and was bound to struggle in coverage (lack of range to boot) he is one of the worst tacklers on the team.

The DB techniques employed in this game were atrocious. Like asking Michael Adams to press Donald Driver...let alone to ask him to cover Driver, without stressing to Adams that the only way he could neutralize Driver would be to use his quick feet, gain inside leverage and shadow him.

As for those of you who want to quit on Adams, don't be so fast. This was his very first taste of playing nickel in a playoff game (again, why oh why Ralph Brown was not used in that familiar role for him?). If and when Adams is properly coached, he will be a good one in that role.

The matchups? Just as mind-boggling. It was clear that the top two threats by far on the field that day were Greg Jennings and Jermichael Finley...and yet, why wasn't DRC locked onto Jennings and Adrian Wilson locked onto Finley?

How about Bryant McFadden's play in this game and really throughout this season? He's just not athletic enough to play the position (when it involves man coverage) well enough, for starters. And, even worse, how many plays does he just simply quit on? Like the forever and a day lob pass Rodgers threw to Jennings that McFadden inexplicably got cement shoes on and let the pass over his head. And this guy was supposed to be a good hard tackler? Anyone see this in his game? Looks like a whiffer out there, far more often than not.

Then, as an entire secondary the pursuit angles to the ball once it was thrown were either non-existant or so far off that it made you wonder if these guys had ever been coached. Same as the last drive in the Super Bowl. Same as during the 99 yard Titans' winning TD. Brutal, and quite frankly, inexcusable for a professional team.

Even the blitz pursuit angles were awful...like Adams leaping over Rodgers when he had a perfectly clean hit on him...like Wilson running on a straight line at Rodgers in the 4th quarter, which Grandma Moses could have easily moved her walker to the right of and been in the clear.

The way this secondary played it deserved to lose. Top think that on first down of the OT, Jennings was still not being covered by DRC---which should have been a given...and had it not been for one of the unsung players (I will get to in a minute) forcing Rodgers to his left on the play, we would be sitting here in total despair perusing the FA CB lists.

Completely agree with everything you say here Mitch. I would also add that Rolle was not even close to 100%. He was the guy covering Jennings on that bomb in OT. I would really love to hear Whiz/Davis explain all of this. You give up 45 points and well over 400 yards in the air in the post season?? That has loss written all over it...

4. As for Matt Leinart to Seattle, the things that makes this scenario intriguing:

1. If Warner returns, Leinart's cap hit nexy year is $6M...and is $14M in 2011. That's $20M over the next two years for a player who quite frankly has done almost nothing to warrant that type of salary.

2. The thing is, if the Cardinals can get a 1st (Seattle has two 1sts) or a 2nd for Leinart...it may be wise to take that deal because with $14M staring the club in the face in 2011, the team may have to release him anyway...and in that case they get nothing.

3. As for trading him to a division rival...hey, the Cardinals already know he's easy to rattle and he's not mobile. Sure, Pete Carroll may help psyche Leinart back up, but, playing NFL teams is a little more difficult than playing Washington St....not to dis on WSU.

Would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to see this transpire!!!! Did I say LOVE!!!!;)

Sadly, I do believe we have seen the last of Kurt at UoP... The way he said goodbye to us fans after the game... it just felt like he was offering a permanent farewell. Clearly, I hope I'm wrong. And certainly, Kurt is playing at a level that would more than justify his return for one final year. But I just don't see it. I think the concussion this year and his nagging hip, along with the pull from a large family that needs him... I think we are seeing the end of a brief, but amazing era in Cardinal football... Again, hope I'm wrong and I really hope that your above scenario plays out!!!
Nice job here Mitch!
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Love your take on the Rackers miss on how that gave our D the opportunity to redeem themselves, if you will.

Love it.

Love our chances in the big easy as well.
 

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along with the pull from a large family that needs him...

Never really understood this line of thinking. I can pretty much guarantee that Kurt gets WAY WAY WAY more time with his family than the average working father. The NFL off season is ridiculously long. Plus they get up in the mornings and go to the facility everyday like normal families during the season and go home at night. They have a mere 10 road trips a year and are usually only gone 2 to 3 days MAX. Really shouldn't be much of a problem IMO.
 

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1) IMO... the chances of the Cards not giving Leinart an opportunity at the helm... slim, none... and slim left town.

2) reports out of Seattle, according to NFL Network, say that Carroll will stick with Hass... for the time being. (He has one more year left on his contract.)
 
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Wow Mitch, just WOW! That is a awful lot to think about. I'm sort of glad that we have one day less to dwell on this than normally.

I too wonder about the apparent lack of confidence in Rashad Johnson. With Brown, age ususlly means experience, however this has yet to manifest itself in anything he has done on the field during a game.

I am soooooo tired of watching Dieon Jr. (DRC), refuse to touch an offensive player with anything but his hands, or to even bend over and do that once the defender is on the ground. Our secondary has shown about as much back-bone as an octopus lately. Thank God, offenses have played away from him for the most part.

So far as Matt goes, I am thinking that Kurt will retire after this season. Just a gut feeling, but upon seeing his reaction to Q's big hit when he got his face broken, and seeing how he initially reacted to the concussion syndrome, I bellieve that he and Brenda will opt out of the NFL. I just hope that he makes the announcement sooner rather than using the entire off-season to make a decision. The Cards will need time to decide what they are going to do if he doesn't come back. Will Matt be their go to guy, or will they use him for trade bait . I would think that they will keep Matty, just in case Kurt pulls the plug.

You are right about the O-line. Congratulations to Russ Griimm and the entire O-line for their performance in the GB game. THat was fantastic. 156 running against the #1 run defense in the league, and 379 passing with 5 TD's against their pass D. Great stuff providing the holes to run thru, and the pocket to protect with.
 

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Mitch, I think you are wrong on Leinarts salary for 2010. Here is what I got per a Kent Somers old blog.

Kent Somers notes, Leinart's 2010 salary is a reasonable $2.485 million, but that figure jumps to $7.36 million in base pay for 2011, and the team is unlikely to pay that much unless he has established himself as a legitimate force in the league.
 

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Thanks Mitch. Tell me, why do the Cards refuse to play Toler at nickle & Johnson at safety? Toler to me can handle the bigger WR's better than Adams & looks like those same matchups will exist this weekend. Clearly it's because they are rookies.
 

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The matchups? Just as mind-boggling. It was clear that the top two threats by far on the field that day were Greg Jennings and Jermichael Finley...and yet, why wasn't DRC locked onto Jennings and Adrian Wilson locked onto Finley?

2. TE Ben Patrick: what a good game from him. His catches and RACs were huge.

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agree on all but these. Adrian Wilson in coverage is a no no. i think its ashame he wasn't blitzed more.

and Ben Patrick needs to run with the ball, he protects it well, but it affects his speed. he needs to hold it hard with one arm and RUN.
 

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per Jurecki on Rashad Johnson: the coaches dont trust him yet to be where he is supposed to be
 

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I was not impressed by McFadden. His only credentials were he has a super bowl ring. Other than that he has never been close to a receiver and most of our passings yard given up thsi season were on his side of the field. I would like to have a CB that plays a little closer to the receiver.

Matt? I just don't know. Behind Warner we have no one. Other than Matt who do we have? Our entire team is built around our passing game. We use the pass to open up the run.
 

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NO Mcnabb. If you watched the Philly game he looked old. I'm thinking there will be a change at QB in Philly They got Vick on ther bench.

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2. Unsung Players:

1. LB Clark Haggans: he was the one who pressure Rodgers on the first and ten miss to Jennings. Credit our current joy to him. And he was the one who got to Rodgers on the first play interception. Haggans has been a top notch player for us this year and deserves plenty o' props.

You don't get to see the late night sports reports in Phoenix. C. Haggans comes on the shows after the games and is like a professor. He is a great addition to the D.



4. DE Bertrand Berry. His two sacks were huge.
He is a situational player now, but heck, the number of sacks/downs played is great.

5. The entire o-line...who deserve an MVP share with Warner. These guys DOMINATED!
Yes, but it goes so much from game to game it makes you pull your hair out.
 

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NO Mcnabb. If you watched the Philly game he looked old. I'm thinking there will be a change at QB in Philly They got Vick on ther bench.

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He didn't look old to me, he looked like most QBs would if their oline allows that much pressure on the QB on basically every play.

Anyway if Colt McCoy like some say drops into the 3rd or 4th round I am asking myself why wouldn't I rather have him than Leinart if I could get a first for him from Seattle?

And well if McNabb isn't on the market, why wouldn't I rather have Vick than Leinart.
 

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He didn't look old to me, he looked like most QBs would if their oline allows that much pressure on the QB on basically every play.

Anyway if Colt McCoy like some say drops into the 3rd or 4th round I am asking myself why wouldn't I rather have him than Leinart if I could get a first for him from Seattle?

And well if McNabb isn't on the market, why wouldn't I rather have Vick than Leinart.

Because Vick is horribly inaccurate and is best suited for a run-first team. That's not us.

Leinart isn't likely to go anywhere. This coaching staff - the one that got this inept franchise to the Superbowl in its second year - hasn't given up on him. Fans have (then again they gave up on Warner and every other Pro Bowler on our roster a few years ago) and so has the media.

I trust this coaching staff and I'll let them decide. I guess that's just me
 

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Never really understood this line of thinking. I can pretty much guarantee that Kurt gets WAY WAY WAY more time with his family than the average working father. The NFL off season is ridiculously long. Plus they get up in the mornings and go to the facility everyday like normal families during the season and go home at night. They have a mere 10 road trips a year and are usually only gone 2 to 3 days MAX. Really shouldn't be much of a problem IMO.

My point was more about Kurt's ability to be there for his family in a way "most working fathers" can't. At 39/40 years old, he can retire from a game that erodes him physically with each game he plays, and immediately assume a role in the life of his family that would truly be incredible. He's got a son with disabilities and a wife who would love nothing more than for him to leave the game asap. He takes all of this and his role as a husband and father extremely seriously...And of course, Kurt has aspirations of helping many others beyond his family. That also tugs on him. He is clearly balancing those issues with attempting to determine when is the "right" time to hang 'em up... I heard his interview today on Bickley and MJ, and IMO, it sure sounded as if he already knows what he will do... I think he's done after this season. Hope I'm wrong...
 

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Rashard Johnson showed me absolutely nothing this year. I would be very hesitant to use him either. Adams and Brown played because they have experience and have played at that intensity before.They didn't play all that well but i'd be surprised if Toler and Johnson would have either.
 

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I'll take a different angle on Leinart/Carroll.
I think Seattle might offer Cards a third round pick if we promise to extend Matt's contract. Reason, Pete Carroll knows all of Matt's weakness, with Matt at starting QB the Hawks will probably beat us every time. Pete Carroll in Seattle
probably assures us that the Cards will be looking for a new QB.
Not serious on the draft pick.
 

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He didn't look old to me, he looked like most QBs would if their oline allows that much pressure on the QB on basically every play.

Anyway if Colt McCoy like some say drops into the 3rd or 4th round I am asking myself why wouldn't I rather have him than Leinart if I could get a first for him from Seattle?

And well if McNabb isn't on the market, why wouldn't I rather have Vick than Leinart.

I don't know why I am bothering to respond to this, but where did you get your time machine from? I'd really like to get one so that I could wait and see if someone falls to the fourth so I can go back and trade for a first too.

Could you explain to me why it would be intelligent to take the best WR group in the NFL and pair them a horrifically inaccurate running QB? Sounds like buying a snowmobile when you live in Miami.
 

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