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1. Funny how Warner has gotten such little mention for MVP this year when it was once again very clear yesterday what the Cardinals are without him. In the latest Pro Bowl vote tallies, Warner is not in the top 5 NFC QBs. Warner's play this year, especially on the road (which no Cardinal fan could possibly take for granted), has been a brilliant clinic to the tune of a 5 game stack of 126+ QB ratings.

2. Whiz was very quick to defend Matt Leinart's play yesterday. You've got to love Whiz's total command of the big picture. He knows how fragile ML's ego is...remember it was Whiz who kept texting ML after his last poor outing where he threw the easy interception on an overthrow to Fitz. Whiz has been raving about ML's game sealing pass to Doucet and focussing on this positive, which is the absolute best thing Whiz could do at this point, with the hope that when Leinart is needed again, he can build on this positive. Don't be surprised if Leinart does!

3. The QB class of 2006...Young, Leinart, Cutler...4 years later...Cutler is the only big name and one numbers producer of the lot, but watching him play the last few weeks, he boasts the big arm, but throws consistently off-balance and sidearm (which negates some of his natural strength) and appears to be a real head case. Young has battled back from anxiety disorder and demotion and is now starting again...but the jury is still out on his passing and leadership skills. Leinart has been stuck behind Kurt Warner---and has to hope that he can profit the way Aaron Rodgers did sitting behind Brett Favre, for Rodgers right now is playing at a Pro Bowl level. But, Rodgers has a cat-quick release and a gun of an arm and under-rated athleticism, whereas Leinart's physical tools are average at best, exacerbated by a slower than average release.

4. One of the best defensive schemes of year was on display yesterday in Green Bay as Dom Capers decided to guard TE Vernon Davis with one of his best CBs...and whenever the Packers saw that Frank Gore was to the side of the QB on third and shorts, they had the OLB and DE to his side take away the quick pass.

5. Michael Adams had 10 tackles yesterday, leading the team. When was the last time a Cardinal CB (who didn't even start the game) lead the team with double figure tackles? Adams played his heart out. The only thing he lacks is height...otherwise, he's got the quicks, the feet, the tenacity, the technique and recovery speed (see his chase down of Stephen Jackson from across the field?) to play a pesky corner. And when flow is his way he doesn't waste any time getting to the football...and when he does, as we've seen on STs for two years now, he's a flat-out finisher.

6. Look for Bill Davis to continue to push along his younger players on the defense. Gabe Watson played very well yesterday, as did Kenny Iwebema and Will Davis. This week, look for Bill Davis to push CB Greg Toler along...who would seem to be a bigger, faster nickel option versus the Titans' big receivers than Ralph Brown. Plus, in order to squeeze down the running lanes for Chris Johnson look for Davis to use Alan Branch more this week.

7. As many of you have, I've been watching the Cardinals' upcoming opponents as much as possible, (we'll be watching the Titans tonight)....and I was thinking last night that at times when I see other teams I get very impressed to the point where I wonder how the Cardinals are going to match up with those teams (for example, last week I was very impressed at how quick, aggressive and prepared the Rams' defense looked versus the Saints)...but what I've realized is that the Cardinals are MUCH more physical on both sides of the ball than they used to be...and that, just because an upcoming opponent is having its way with another team, it's no sure thing they will have their way in similar fashion versus the Cardinals. The fact is, the Cardinals were more physical versus the Rams than the Saints were. We really owe this astronomical change in the physical makeup of our team to Ken Whisenhunt and John Lott. Impressive!
 
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Vernon Davis had 6 catches for 108 yards and a TD.. How was that defensive philosophy "brilliant" Seems to me like it didn't work very well?
 
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Vernon Davis had 6 catches for 108 yards and a TD.. How was that defensive philosophy "brilliant" Seems to me like it didn't work very well?

For some reason, Capers used his LBers more on Davis in the second half, probably because they had a big lead and because of injuries (CB Al Harris). But in the first half, Capers shut out Davis by putting Charles Woodson on him in passing situations.
 

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Nice writeup as usual!

I haven't seen mentioned anywhere, but I thought Gerald Hayes brought back a lot of the physical play to the Cardinals defense. I think it was John Lynch who mentioned that he's a thumper in the ground game. He even seemed to elevate the play of Karlos Dansby and Adrian Wilson yesterday. I really like what he brings, and his absence was very noticeable against the Seahawks.

I submit that the Cardinals passing offense is world-class with Kurt Warner at the controls and with a healthy Fitz, Q, and Steve Breaston. It is the one element that all opponents fear, and it is the one element that opponents scheme to try to eliminate. Combine that with Kurt's veteran savvy, and the Cardinals can usually compete with anyone. As we saw in the second half, when the passing attack is curtailed, whether willingly by the play callers, or by necessity, the Cardinal offense stagnates. And when Kurt does have a bad game, or when Q and/or Steve are missing or not fully healthy, the offense can struggle, especially against superior defenses.

At long last Beanie Wells, Tim Hightower, and the O-line are starting to produce on the ground. But it is the passing game that is making it possible. When the Rams started crowding the line of scrimmage and disrespecting the passing offense in the second half, the offense was not productive.
 

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Vernon Davis had 6 catches for 108 yards and a TD.. How was that defensive philosophy "brilliant" Seems to me like it didn't work very well?

That's because 49ers figured out what the Packer defense was doing and went to a 2 TE run formation at times and forced the Packers to cover V. Davis with a LB. If you look at his 2 big plays (one of which was a TD), you'll notice it was LB coverage that got beat and a 2 TE set which removed the nickel CB from the field (ie - run D).

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The saints schedule this year has been much easier than the one the CARDINALS have played and also each week we have missed a player who we really need another player has stepped up bigtime from our depth department like Adams did yesterday.Yes I want to see our tackling CB back in action in Bryant McFadden as soon as possible and the rams went after Adams every play they could.

Thats why he had so many tackles yesterday.Just like McFadden is still 3rd on the CARDINALS in tackles because he steps up against the run and not just because they are throwing at him play after play.

WE need Okeafor back for Chris Johnson week to set the edge and HOLD IT.We do need Berry to only be use in spot situations to keep him fresh and able to give his very best on only those plays.He's not meant for a long duration ON the field.

We need Ware playing at his best although our team is much more banged and bruised than they were at this time last year.Our team was'nt as skilled and deep as this years team is either.What we've gotten to see from Will Davis in the 6th round is almost impossible as a rookie pick.How did they find this guy and then coach him up when most teams would have just gotten special team play out of him and had him fall away a couple years later.

Just like the lb who plays for the saints in Shanle who was drafted in the 6th round by the rams and played special teams did'nt ever start at lb but played and failed then moved to the cowboys who upgraded his body and now hes had to hold the fort down for the saints in the weakest area of play for the saints as it is at lb.They are getting back their db's they had lost for 3 weeks and yet they have'nt had a tough schedule at all.

The saints were coming on at the end of last season but I don't think they are heads above everyone just because of the additions of Shockey but because of the development of so many wide recievers out of nowhere with true game speed.Devery Henderson,Robert Meachem from Tennessee who was drafted in 07 is finally turning into a real playmaker every week.Last two weeks he's led the team.

The CARDINALS have the same TRIO of wide recievers this year we had last year.We did'nt even use Breaston yesterday.I don't know why but I saw him open on crossing routes all day when Leinart was qb.Its tough to play behind a Hall Of Famer who is ON his game like never before and Knows it.

I see the CARDINALS when Healthy in the same mix as the Saints as Coach Davis will have to deploy a scheme that covers the seam routes that the saints are famous for and having us cover Shockey the tight end who isn't the fastest as Davis is for the 9ers but after the catch is tough to bring down.I think we can totally shut down the saints running game.They don't scare me at all.We will have seen the best after this three week stretch and DeAngelo Williams had the best attack for our defense.

To run first up the middle to draw in the outside leverage and corner and then to bounce the ball outside on a twist as he did all game against us and so did stewart.We play an awesome gap defense up the middle but we have to STILL keep CONTAINMENT on the outside and not loose our position and try to be in on the tackle.Maintain it and we can beat any rb in the league as Chris Johnson will attack nothing but our outside containment next week on a short week for the titans.If we can beat that speed unlike and better than Adrian Petersons we will have gotten great practice to prepare for Peterson during the season and in the playoffs.

We need a healthy Okeafor and the game by game progress of Will Davis and whats left in the Tank of Berry we can use in the playoffs for that side.I have full confidence in Haggans this season on maintianing contain on his side.

Branch needs to keep improving and Watson keep playing hurt on that knee as well as he can and not get caught up in the wash too many times.Dansby has a bad shoulder and that bothers me.I only wish we had a week to rest him also.

The saints play the patriots next week as there only real test in the schedule all season except for the game Tedd Ginn Jr. gave away to them in Miami with NO HANDS.And a 3 td lead.

The Vikings have At CARDINALS then the Bengals with Cedric Benson back and then the Giants game at the end game of the season that WILL BE important to the giants and due to the CARDINALS may also be important to the vikings.That game may really be a war and hurt the vikings chances.We'll see.We will have the packers that week at home and they have a team that just lost its best DB and LB/DE for the season yesterday.So I don't know how that will affect them but I do know they have NO offensive line and that Coach DAVIS will dial up blitzes on every play and I fear for the packers qb's life on that day as he is the most sacked qb in the league already.We will probably break an NFL record in that game adding about 6-7 more.Dockett and Campbell will have a field day as Branch gets a couple himself to make up for the past 2 years.

Lots left to happen for this CARDINALS team.I'm liking the schedule as it helps our team grow and be ready for the better teams in the playoffs unlike the weak schedule the saints have played all season and the vikings I think are the much better team with the defensive line straight across and offensive line also and recievers if favre can continue to use his Harvin and Rice & Berrian and A.P. along with his other rb's.Plus Jared Allen is a monster unto himself this year.Coach GRIMM better wake up and put in Herman Johnson instead of just Ben Patrick to help out Gandy or Levi when needed against Jared Allen.Or we lose Kurt for the season and playoffs period.

We can't allow another colts debacle like we did with Freeney and Mathis.They WILL get help this time and we'll still have open recievers in tight windows that Kurt Warner with time and a running game WILL find as he is always better in the playoffs when it counts the most.Did anyone needs facts to back that up?

Oh by the way.I"M LOVING THIS SEASON AND ENJOYING EVERYDAY OF IT.I'm really looking forward after tonights game to playing against Chris Johnson as our practice game against Adrian Peterson with more speed and less power.Plus a running qb.Coach Davis get the couch ready in the office my friend.:D
 

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We really owe this astronomical change in the physical makeup of our team to Ken Whisenhunt and John Lott. Impressive!

What Lott has done for this team cannot be underestimated. I'm seriously thinking about sending him a Christmas gift pack this year. :D
 

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Vernon Davis had 6 catches for 108 yards and a TD.. How was that defensive philosophy "brilliant" Seems to me like it didn't work very well?

It was virtually all in the 2nd half when the Pack was way ahead.

In the papers they said Woodson has been covering TE's a lot this year as part of their scheme.

They had I think 5 yards passing (SF) in the first half, most of it came after that. Having Davis on my fantasy team I'm glad they got it going eventually.
 

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Vernon Davis had 6 catches for 108 yards and a TD.. How was that defensive philosophy "brilliant" Seems to me like it didn't work very well?


It was only after he had gain the biggest part of his yardage did the change come along with the best DB being put on the best Reciever for the 9ers and we need to put DRC on him if you ask me,when we play them also.A linebacker cannot get the job done on Davis and his seam routes.Some of the same stuff the saints life and die with.Why not get some great practice in on a much better TE.Best in the league right now and getting better.Better than Shockey will be when we play them.Bet on it.

It was'nt till after Davis ate thier lunch was the change made to put Woodson on Davis and then shut him down as it did.We can do the same thing.We have too.
 

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For some reason, Capers used his LBers more on Davis in the second half, probably because they had a big lead and because of injuries (CB Al Harris). But in the first half, Capers shut out Davis by putting Charles Woodson on him in passing situations.

Than he messed up not keeping up with that...

By the way, the TD pass was with Woodson in man coverage and even a safety over the top. It still wasnt enough

Nice writeup. I agree we have become ALOT more physical on both sides. Especially our O-LIne. You can see hw much TH has improved. It's mostly on the O-Line. Our backs have space now and it feels so nice watching that.
 

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This is the second time I've read someone mention that Adams had a good game. Adams got torched by the Rams yesterday. Why did he have 10 tackles? Because the threw on him constantly and he let them. He is what he is: a good depth CB that can come on in dime situations. That's all.
 

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Wolfley mentioned how physical Adams was consistently playing his man yesterday. The little man's tenatious. That's also why there were more than a few drops by Rams recievers yesterday.
 

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Adams is unappreciated and with more starting experience could be a poor man's Winfield.

I love the team's depth at DB right now.

Sadly, my ability to watch games in clarity hasn't been great in recent weeks and I haven't had time to watch any replays in better quality yet.

This is why I wonder, is Branch still collapsing the pocket? How's Watson's progress coming along?
 

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This is the second time I've read someone mention that Adams had a good game. Adams got torched by the Rams yesterday. Why did he have 10 tackles? Because the threw on him constantly and he let them. He is what he is: a good depth CB that can come on in dime situations. That's all.
There were more occasions yesterday than the fingers on my hand (& I have all of them) where a play would be made and I'd wonder: "Who was that guy who prevented Amendola from breaking it long on a KR?" Or "Who made the saving tackle to prevent Gibson from continuing down the left sideline for a 1st down or a TD?" Or "Who kept Jackson from continuing into the end zone at the end of his 48 yard run?" - it turns out each time, it was #27.

Everyone's right - he's "too short" for prime time and "would make a great backup." But yesterday he had to play like a starter, and he more than did. He closes on the ball more quickly, surely and explosively than either McFadden or for that matter, DRC. If it weren't for him, we would have lost yesterday.
 
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This is the second time I've read someone mention that Adams had a good game. Adams got torched by the Rams yesterday. Why did he have 10 tackles? Because the threw on him constantly and he let them. He is what he is: a good depth CB that can come on in dime situations. That's all.
agree totally. I re-watched the 2nd half and i was trying to think why people on here thought he played well and bashed ML. I thought it was the exact opposite. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder i guess. Adams has 1 good play,his tackle of Jackson, and was beaten on the fade but got bailed out by Bulger's underthrow.
 

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Adams is unappreciated and with more starting experience could be a poor man's Winfield.

I love the team's depth at DB right now.

Sadly, my ability to watch games in clarity hasn't been great in recent weeks and I haven't had time to watch any replays in better quality yet.

This is why I wonder, is Branch still collapsing the pocket? How's Watson's progress coming along?

??? Are you crazy? Poor man's Winfield? He SUCKED! Why did he make all those tackles? Because they kept throwing on and COMPLETING PASSES on him! Egads, this isn't the old days where we had to pump up the play of some middling nobody as our star. He is what he is...an average bottom-of-the-roster CB. Does he give us decent depth to come in on obvious passing downs? Sure. Is he a good starting CB and can he ever be? I seriously doubt it.
 

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There were more occasions yesterday than the fingers on my hand (& I have all of them) where a play would be made and I'd wonder: "Who was that guy who prevented Amendola from breaking it long on a KR?" Or "Who made the saving tackle to prevent Gibson from continuing down the left sideline for a 1st down or a TD?" Or "Who kept Jackson from continuing into the end zone at the end of his 48 yard run?" - it turns out each time, it was #27.

Everyone's right - he's "too short" for prime time and "would make a great backup." But yesterday he had to play like a starter, and he more than did. He closes on the ball more quickly, surely and explosively than either McFadden or for that matter, DRC. If it weren't for him, we would have lost yesterday.

Sure Jeff, he played like a starter...a starter that needs replaced! Tackles on special teams don't mean anything to a starting CB. Desperation tackle on a long run--okay, that's nice, but it doesn't have anything to do with his coverage ability (or lack thereof).

Ask yourself WHY he made all kinds of tackles after catches...because he kept getting abused and the RAMS of all teams kept completing passes on him! He was absolutely horrific in pass defense yesterday.
 

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1. Funny how Warner has gotten such little mention for MVP this year when it was once again very clear yesterday what the Cardinals are without him. In the latest Pro Bowl vote tallies, Warner is not in the top 5 NFC QBs. Warner's play this year, especially on the road (which no Cardinal fan could possibly take for granted), has been a brilliant clinic to the tune of a 5 game stack of 126+ QB ratings.

Was at the game yesterday. As he was trotting off the field after warm ups we started chanting MVP!MVP1 . He looked up and smiled.

2. Whiz was very quick to defend Matt Leinart's play yesterday. You've got to love Whiz's total command of the big picture. He knows how fragile ML's ego is...remember it was Whiz who kept texting ML after his last poor outing where he threw the easy interception on an overthrow to Fitz. Whiz has been raving about ML's game sealing pass to Doucet and focussing on this positive, which is the absolute best thing Whiz could do at this point, with the hope that when Leinart is needed again, he can build on this positive. Don't be surprised if Leinart does!

I'm not freaking out about Leinart. I saw what he could do when he was a rookie. I'm going to cling to my belief that, if given the reps and proper time to prepare, he will be able to handle the offense. Maybe not to the degree that Warner does, but neither could 29 other qb's in this league.

3. The QB class of 2006...Young, Leinart, Cutler...4 years later...Cutler is the only big name and one numbers producer of the lot, but watching him play the last few weeks, he boasts the big arm, but throws consistently off-balance and sidearm (which negates some of his natural strength) and appears to be a real head case. Young has battled back from anxiety disorder and demotion and is now starting again...but the jury is still out on his passing and leadership skills. Leinart has been stuck behind Kurt Warner---and has to hope that he can profit the way Aaron Rodgers did sitting behind Brett Favre, for Rodgers right now is playing at a Pro Bowl level. But, Rodgers has a cat-quick release and a gun of an arm and under-rated athleticism, whereas Leinart's physical tools are average at best, exacerbated by a slower than average release.

4. One of the best defensive schemes of year was on display yesterday in Green Bay as Dom Capers decided to guard TE Vernon Davis with one of his best CBs...and whenever the Packers saw that Frank Gore was to the side of the QB on third and shorts, they had the OLB and DE to his side take away the quick pass.

5. Michael Adams had 10 tackles yesterday, leading the team. When was the last time a Cardinal CB (who didn't even start the game) lead the team with double figure tackles? Adams played his heart out. The only thing he lacks is height...otherwise, he's got the quicks, the feet, the tenacity, the technique and recovery speed (see his chase down of Stephen Jackson from across the field?) to play a pesky corner. And when flow is his way he doesn't waste any time getting to the football...and when he does, as we've seen on STs for two years now, he's a flat-out finisher.

I saw one play where he came up on Steven Jackson , 1 on 1, and brought him down with a textbook tackle.

6. Look for Bill Davis to continue to push along his younger players on the defense. Gabe Watson played very well yesterday, as did Kenny Iwebema and Will Davis. This week, look for Bill Davis to push CB Greg Toler along...who would seem to be a bigger, faster nickel option versus the Titans' big receivers than Ralph Brown. Plus, in order to squeeze down the running lanes for Chris Johnson look for Davis to use Alan Branch more this week.

7. As many of you have, I've been watching the Cardinals' upcoming opponents as much as possible, (we'll be watching the Titans tonight)....and I was thinking last night that at times when I see other teams I get very impressed to the point where I wonder how the Cardinals are going to match up with those teams (for example, last week I was very impressed at how quick, aggressive and prepared the Rams' defense looked versus the Saints)...but what I've realized is that the Cardinals are MUCH more physical on both sides of the ball than they used to be...and that, just because an upcoming opponent is having its way with another team, it's no sure thing they will have their way in similar fashion versus the Cardinals. The fact is, the Cardinals were more physical versus the Rams than the Saints were. We really owe this astronomical change in the physical makeup of our team to Ken Whisenhunt and John Lott. Impressive!

I watched a Cardinal defense play yesterday with an confidence that they KNEW, when push came to shove, the Rams offense could not be us. This is not to say we have a great defense, but they certainly had a certain swagger that I have not witnessed in a Cardinal defense, ever.
 

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I watched a Cardinal defense play yesterday with an confidence that they KNEW, when push came to shove, the Rams offense could not be us. This is not to say we have a great defense, but they certainly had a certain swagger that I have not witnessed in a Cardinal defense, ever.

Well, I wish they didn't have that swagger, because it must be going to their head...they collapsed in the 2nd half.
 

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agree totally. I re-watched the 2nd half and i was trying to think why people on here thought he played well and bashed ML. I thought it was the exact opposite. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder i guess. Adams has 1 good play,his tackle of Jackson, and was beaten on the fade but got bailed out by Bulger's underthrow.

I made mention of that throw during the game to the Cardinal fan sitting next to me, we both agreed had that pass been thrown to the WR's outside shoulder it would have been a TD, Adams was badly beaten.

Adams does play well on ST's and can tackle but he is a liability in coverage. There is a reason Bulger didn't throw at DRC but maybe 3 times all game and maybe once in the second half--Adams was struggling in coverage and it was a weakness to be exploited.
 

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??? Are you crazy? Poor man's Winfield?

First, I used the qualifier "could" for the obvious reason that he's still developing. That isn't a guarantee, he just has a playstyle (reckless attack in rush support and tackling, as well as a lack of height) that makes me think of Winfield when looking for an apt comparison.

A-dub wasn't hot out of the box, he took some time to come as far as he has.
Same story with Calvin Pace and David Boston (although Boston and "develop" does have a double meaning).
You think Ellis Hobbs wasn't buried on the DC for the Pats as a special teamer for a while?
How many times was Harrison cut?
Warner?

We could go with some more examples, but I know you could think of a few on your own.
The league is peppered with stories of guys who took a while to get going.

I believe in the development processes and letting a player mature.

I don't think about cutting players for one bad game or one middling season (unless they're simply not showing any development).

He SUCKED! Why did he make all those tackles? Because they kept throwing on and COMPLETING PASSES on him!
If you were an OC and one starter went out, who do you test?
The inexperienced backup.
Not that I wouldn't be afraid to test DRC, he's no where close to elite yet.
I'd attack Adams with patterns that use his size against him.
I'd attack DRC with short passes near the LOS that force him to get physical.
Attack the weakness of young opponents.

Egads, this isn't the old days where we had to pump up the play of some middling nobody as our star. He is what he is...an average bottom-of-the-roster CB. Does he give us decent depth to come in on obvious passing downs? Sure. Is he a good starting CB and can he ever be? I seriously doubt it.
I've still got a lot of old guard in me, so perhaps I do prime a player not worthy of it; and lord knows my DB assesment abilities aren't my sharpest tool, but I do like the depth the Cardinals have and I think they'd be well served to let Adams and Toler get a little experience under live fire when they can.
 

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Adams had 2 ST's tackles, the tackle of SJ at the LOS, the TD saving takle of SJ along the sidelines, so tha'ts 4 that weren't because a pass was completed to his man and then he made a tackle. So at worst 6 of his tackles were due to completions to his man.

As SuperSpk pointed out any CB who comes in off the bench is immediately tested.

McFadden gets thrown on non stop because DRC is on the other side.

Adams made some very nice plays and as Jeff G points out several of them bailed the Cards out.

Adams HOFer...no. Glad to have him on the team....YES.
 

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I never said I wanted to cut him. In fact, I said I love having him on the team for depth and to come out in addition to all the other corners in dime situations and such. Maybe he'll develop into a better player, and I'm all about giving him the opportunity to do so. It's just ludicrous, IMO, to praise his cover skills in this game and to use it to think he might be a great player. The analogy to Winfield's RUN support certainly makes more sense to me now that it was described in full, but still he did not have a good game as a cover corner. Maybe he'll develop and I hope he does, but he isn't anywhere near there yet.
 

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2. Whiz was very quick to defend Matt Leinart's play yesterday. You've got to love Whiz's total command of the big picture. He knows how fragile ML's ego is...remember it was Whiz who kept texting ML after his last poor outing where he threw the easy interception on an overthrow to Fitz. Whiz has been raving about ML's game sealing pass to Doucet and focussing on this positive, which is the absolute best thing Whiz could do at this point, with the hope that when Leinart is needed again, he can build on this positive. Don't be surprised if Leinart does!


If Leinart's psyche is so fragile Mitch, then I don't see how he can lead the Cards to victory in the years ahead. Correct me if I'm wrong, but great teams always expect their backups to be ready to play when called upon because of an injury or sickness. Leinart struggles when he is called upon, and yes, he completed some passes yesterday, but we didn't score. His lack of confidence can be a difficult hurdle to overcome under game conditions, especially if his teammates are not fully behind him.
 
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The Cardinals typically play their corners to one side or the other, rather than playing the CB on matchups, i.e. - having the CB's switch sides to cover specific recievers.

I noticed following the play when St. Louis threw to the endzone and Adams was lucky to bat the ball away from the reciever, that on the next pass into that same corner of the endzone that DRC was defending the reciever. Excellent timing by the coaching staff!
 

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