Morning thoughts

[Chopper0080]

1. Thats Brady and Rodgers.
2. We went 99 yards against the Packers and AJ Green didnt turn around.

We were moving wth ease late in the Rams game until Hopkins got hurt. Down 2 scores there's the tricky balance of going for the endzone or leaving time enough for the FG/onside.

Our 2 minute drill has been among the best in the NFL.
Packers/Rams game were true overcoming adversity game where he didnt play well. Still a WR doesnt turn around and we drop a pass on 4th and 2 that likely gives us a TD.

I....well I guess people just have doubts.

When you are a top NFL QB you are held to a different standard. It's Kyler's job to make sure Green knows to turn around and if Kyler doesn't know he will, go somewhere else with the ball. Kyler is just inexperienced and in this area it shows more because his peers are so good at it.

His peers don't look like a donkey because they panic and don't spike the ball. His peers don't look frantic when the game is on the line. This isn't to say that he can't get better but he is obviously deficient in this area when compared to the other top NFL QBs.

 

[SoonerLou]

Kyler missed out on 14 points and cost us 14 points. That's the game despite the good stats.

The two games we lost with him starting both had 2 interceptions. Sure they were deflections and tipped passes but at times he is trying to hit a window that just isn't there.

He was definitely overhyped to start the game and he wasn't thinking at the end of the game.

These are all correctable but awfully annoying when you feel you are the doorstep of something great.

Both Kyler missing and Donald being all time dominant that game can be true.

That first drive had back to back plays were we could have either got big yards or a TD. However, Donald dominated. Forced the pass to sail on Kirk. DJ is driven back into Kyler lap/Garcia whipped easily also helps makes the pass float on Green.

The Ertz play was definitely there. He was wide open. Donald made an incredible play.

If Kyler can somehow figure out how to make plays with Donald in his face we win. He couldnt so we lost.

This boils down to just their guy just being better. And Kyler has to overcome that. There's a more indicting take on Kyler than what people are saying if they want to go that route. However, people are missing what actually happened. Still if you're a darksider its possibly that Kyler is too short to consistently play well against teams with great interior pressure. A little taller and those pressures still turn into TDs. Russell Wilson is a HOF, but he gets dominanted by the Rams the past several years. Luckily this season we might not ever see them game. However, it could always be an issue with the Rams going forward.

My morning thought:

Last night was a wake up call to me who had be happily getting drunk on Kool-Aid.

This team is a playoff contender, not a Super Bowk contender.

But that’s more than okay. Gotta walk before you can run and we’re past the walking phase and already beginning to jog as a team. If we host a playoff game and get a win that’s a big step forward this season. Most teams don’t go from no playoffs to the Super Bowl. It’s a process. Looked like we might be ahead of the curve with that flat out dominating 7-0 start. But might take a little more time.

I just want to fast forward to the Colts game. Lions won’t tell us much. Unless they struggle or lose and that much I won’t enjoy watching anyway!

Colts will be another good test because of Buckner. I still THINK we can be a Super Bowl team, but its based solely on matchups.

Easier 1st round matchup/Eagles and somehow avoid playing BOTH Brady and Rodgers I think we got a shot. I still think we can beat Green Bay.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Both Kyler missing and Donald being all time dominant that game can be true.

That first drive had back to back plays were we could have either got big yards or a TD. However, Donald dominated. Forced the pass to sail on Kirk. DJ is driven back into Kyler lap/Garcia whipped easily also helps makes the pass foat.

The Ertz play was definitely there. He was wide open. Donald made an incredible play.

If Kyler can somehow figure out how to make plays with Donald in his face we win. He couldnt so we lost.

This boils down to just their guy just being better. And Kyler has to overcome that. There's a more indicting take on Kyler then what people are saying if they want to go that route. However, people are missing what actually happened. Still if you're a darksider its possibly that Kyler is too short to consistently play well against teams with great interior pressure. A little taller and those pressures still turn into TDs. Russell Wilson is a HOF, but he gets dominanted by the Rams the past several years. Luckily this season we might not ever see them game. However, it could always be an issue with the Rams going forward.


Colts will be another good test because of Buckner. I still THINK we can be a Super Bowl team, but its based soley on matchups.

Easier 1st round matchup/Eagles and somehow avoid playing BOTH Brady and Rodgers I think we got a shot. I still think we can beat Green Bay.

Oh for sure Aaron Donald wrecked us.

There were just two jobs to do yesterday, block Donald and cover Kupp. Neither were done and that is on coaching.

Plenty of blame to go around but if Kyler was just a bit more careful with the ball we win.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Both Kyler missing and Donald being all time dominant that game can be true.

That first drive had back to back plays were we could have either got big yards or a TD. However, Donald dominated. Forced the pass to sail on Kirk. DJ is driven back into Kyler lap/Garcia whipped easily also helps makes the pass foat.

The Ertz play was definitely there. He was wide open. Donald made an incredible play.

If Kyler can somehow figure out how to make plays with Donald in his face we win. He couldnt so we lost.

This boils down to just their guy just being better. And Kyler has to overcome that. There's a more indicting take on Kyler then what people are saying if they want to go that route. However, people are missing what actually happened. Still if you're a darksider its possibly that Kyler is too short to consistently play well against teams with great interior pressure. A little taller and those pressures still turn into TDs. Russell Wilson is a HOF, but he gets dominanted by the Rams the past several years. Luckily this season we might not ever see them game. However, it could always be an issue with the Rams going forward.


Colts will be another good test because of Buckner. I still THINK we can be a Super Bowl team, but its based soley on matchups.

Easier 1st round matchup/Eagles and somehow avoid playing BOTH Brady and Rodgers I think we got a shot. I still think we can beat Green Bay.

I mean... it would take a 2008-esque miracle of post-season losses for us not to face Brady AND Rodgers.

My biggest fear is we play the Rams in Glendale in the first round. I think we beat anyone else but I’d be mighty skeptical going into that one. Not only because I think they’re a bad matchup for us, but because that probably means we ended up the 4 seed after only beat the Hawks and Lions and continued struggling with the good teams in losses to the Colts and Cowboys.

 

[SoonerLou]

When you are a top NFL QB you are held to a different standard. It's Kyler's job to make sure Green knows to turn around and if Kyler doesn't know he will, go somewhere else with the ball. Kyler is just inexperienced and in this area it shows more because his peers are so good at it.

His peers don't look like a donkey because they panic and don't spike the ball. His peers don't look frantic when the game is on the line. This isn't to say that he can't get better but he is obviously deficient in this area when compared to the other top NFL QBs.

He used a hand signal on that play and AJ didnt get it (who was looking in). Even Shannon Sharpe said thats automatic check based on alignment.

Tom Brady once didnt realize it was 4th down on a play. lol

If last play is what you want to run with thats fine. Time will tell if this is just an overreaction or not.

Edit: You know what you're right. He's not at Rodgers/Brady's level in regards to that.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Oh for sure Aaron Donald wrecked us.

There were just two jobs to do yesterday, block Donald and cover Kupp. Neither were done and that is on coaching.

Plenty of blame to go around but if Kyler was just a bit more careful with the ball we win.

That second pick was flat out atrocious. If you’re gonna uncork one of those, you better uncork some greatness at the other end at some point in the game. He didn’t today and missed on a gimme to Green.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I just want to fast forward to the Colts game.

Be careful what you wish for...

 

[SoonerLou]

I mean... it would take a 2008-esque miracle of post-season losses for us not to face Brady AND Rodgers.

My biggest fear is we play the Rams in Glendale in the first round. I think we beat anyone else but I’d be mighty skeptical going into that one. Not only because I think they’re a bad matchup for us, but because that probably means we ended up the 4 seed after only beat the Hawks and Lions and continued struggling with the good teams in losses to the Colts and Cowboys.

Yea just did the Playoff Machine (giving 2 losses to Cowboys/Colts). It could truly come down to week 18 Rams vs 49ers.

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Could be dicey. I think we beat the Cowboys though. Maybe the Colts as well. Im just charging this up as a desperate team needing to win a game. And they did. If we lose to the Colts then I'll start really being concerned.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yea just did the Playoff Machine (giving 2 losses to Cowboys/Colts). It could truly come down to week 18 Rams vs 49ers. And we know Kyle owns McVay.

Could be dicey. I think we beat the Cowboys though. Maybe the Colts as well. Im just charging this up as a desperate team needing to win a game. And they did. If we lose to the Colts then I'll start really being concerned.

Those will both be big time primetime all eyes on us games again.

Marquee Xmas Day game and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Dallas game is flexed to SNF.

Edit: Prob not flexed. GB v. Vikings is in that slot and will have all kinds of playoff implications also.

 

[Chopper0080]

Be careful what you wish for...

We need all the reps we can get.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Kyler just needs to continue to get better overcoming adversity. Every QB gets lit up. There are games where OLs are just overmatched. there are games where calls and bounces don't go your way. Kyler just needs to continue to work to overcome those.

Point of fact. I have little confidence in Kyler executing the 2 min drill in key spots whereas Rodgers and Brady it is almost a shock then they don't execute. Still a young and inexperienced QB in many ways.

I have faith in him executing the 2 min drill for a FG, but never a TD. But that’s also due to kkiff’s 2 min drill game management sucking. We routinely get FGs off two minute drill at half, just like we did twice last night at the end of each half. Only difference is, we also needed a TD within that two minute drill to end the game.

 

[Russ Smith]

Yea just did the Playoff Machine (giving 2 losses to Cowboys/Colts). It could truly come down to week 18 Rams vs 49ers.

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Could be dicey. I think we beat the Cowboys though. Maybe the Colts as well. Im just charging this up as a desperate team needing to win a game. And they did. If we lose to the Colts then I'll start really being concerned.

The current projection we would play the 49ers. I know nobody agrees but the way they are running the ball right now and using Deebo and Kittle, I don't really want to play them a 3rd time. I know their secondary is beat up but they're getting the DL and LB's healthy, and we struggle stopping the run and if they have Mitchell they're a very good running team.

Right now I'm hoping the Rams and/or Titans beat them and Washington or Philly ends up the team we play in the first round.

Ideally we win out and both TB and GB lose once but I don't see that working out

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Oh, Murray was DEFINITELY bad last night. Just because you rack up a ton of yardage doesn't mean you played well. Stats like that mean jack. He buried this team with his mistakes--he's not the only one, no, but he IS the star QB, and the one person who can't bury his team like that.

He wasn't bad. He was average and hurt his team on a few occasions.

 

[Cards_Campos]

I think people are underrating that we had zero answer for Cooper Kupp. Didn’t matter if it was third and 2 or 3rd and 8, it was going to Kupp and he was going to convert the 1st down.

Lolol. He is on pace to break records. I don’t think we are the only team not to
Stop him. The fact he was open a lot and catching 13 passes and they threw 3 long passes of 30+ yards and had only 360 at the end shows we did a really
Good job of containing them. Turnovers will always be the deciding factor when great teams play. Take away the turnovers we win easily in my opinion. Heck take way the only drop DHop has had this year and we win

 

[SoonerLou]

The current projection we would play the 49ers. I know nobody agrees but the way they are running the ball right now and using Deebo and Kittle, I don't really want to play them a 3rd time. I know their secondary is beat up but they're getting the DL and LB's healthy, and we struggle stopping the run and if they have Mitchell they're a very good running team.

Right now I'm hoping the Rams and/or Titans beat them and Washington or Philly ends up the team we play in the first round.

Ideally we win out and both TB and GB lose once but I don't see that working out

We can beat them, but someone seems to get hurt against them and its tough beating a team 3 times. So yea its looking like a 3rd game against the NFC west regardless unless the Bucs/Packers lose.

Josh Allen's performance against the Bucs gives me a "bit" of hope against them. I can see Kyler causing them trouble and he's been really good against the blitz this year. I also see Kliff using the run game way more than Daboll. However, I just really worry about Hicks against the Bucs.

 

[Cards_Campos]

Take a look at the throwing chart and against THAT DLINE. Not the Seahawks with no rush and the 49ers missing Ford. We did plenty of checking the football down. We converted lots of 3rd downs. Donald ruined about 4 drives himself.

He did but if they call holding consistently we win or atleast that game never gets down 14. The problem with the NFL. Is a holding call is as good as making the team punt 90% of the time. If you hold inside
Your 25 and you have 1st and 20
From
The 15. You don’t want to make a dumb mistake. If you get it at their 30. You want to make sure get the fg. That 10 yards is brutal and it usually is called on big plays which is weird. You don’t see it often when an 1 yard run or 3 yard pass.

You guys have to also look at the 2 TDs they did score were perfect passes from
stafford. Listen if elite QBs play at elite level. They will Beat you. Kyler played really well but not elite. But good enough to win most games if you take away just 1 of the turnovers or even the drop from DHop

 

[Crimson Warrior]

He wasn't bad. He was average and hurt his team on a few occasions.

I'd like to mention that considering the pass rush the Rams put on, we would have been almost shut out with a less mobile QB, and that as much as his INTs hurt us, K1s athleticism kept us in the game. Just think if we would have had had a statute back there like Stafford. He would have been carried off the field on a stretcher. Arron Donald was a demon disguised as a human being last night. AD's only bad play was when he let his home boy score a touchdown just for ole times sake.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

He did but if they call holding consistently we win or atleast that game never gets down 14. The problem with the NFL. Is a holding call is as good as making the team punt 90% of the time. If you hold inside
Your 25 and you have 1st and 20
From
The 15. You don’t want to make a dumb mistake. If you get it at their 30. You want to make sure get the fg. That 10 yards is brutal and it usually is called on big plays which is weird. You don’t see it often when an 1 yard run or 3 yard pass.

You guys have to also look at the 2 TDs they did score were perfect passes from
stafford. Listen if elite QBs play at elite level. They will Beat you. Kyler played really well but not elite. But good enough to win most games if you take away just 1 of the turnovers or even the drop from DHop

I get what you're saying, but you can't just "well, what if we didn't make this or that mistake", or "what if they didn't make the perfect play".

You know @Cards_Campos, that you make your own luck in life. Lot's of things going on behind all of those critical plays that lead to them playing out like they did.

Look, it's not the end of the world. If this team is really great (and they still have the chance to be great), then they have four more chances to prove it on the field.

 

[Cheesebeef]

He wasn't bad. He was average and hurt his team on a few occasions.

when you throw 2 picks, have no TDs and make multiple bad throws that could have been big gainers/TDs, that's a bad game dream. no ifs, ands, buts about it.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I have a obscure observation (those which I often tend to have)... is it just me, but does Harlow look more like a heavyset TE opposed to a guard with his narrow frame for the position

 

[Russ Smith]

We can beat them, but someone seems to get hurt against them and its tough beating a team 3 times. So yea its looking like a 3rd game against the NFC west regardless unless the Bucs/Packers lose.

Josh Allen's performance against the Bucs gives me a "bit" of hope against them. I can see Kyler causing them trouble and he's been really good against the blitz this year. I also see Kliff using the run game way more than Daboll. However, I just really worry about Hicks against the Bucs.

yeah I am not that concerned about our offense against the bucs. I just don't think our defense can handle Brady, Fournette and those WR's. We'd have to outscore them.

Oddly right now I'd rather play the Rams again than the 49ers. The last 4 games might change that for me but SF has won 4 of 5 and 5 of 7(losses to us and Seattle). I think once they concluded Lance is not ready, and they needed to run more the offense has hit its groove, and Bosa and the defense have picked it up beyond the depleted secondary.

Rams have a better QB and Jalen Ramsey and Donald but I would not be surprised at all if SF beats them again

 

[Arz101]

Cards are not beating another NFC West team playing like last night this season.

 

[Stout]

He wasn't bad. He was average and hurt his team on a few occasions.

Vehemently disagree. He cost us 3-7 points and gifted the Rams 7. Your QB cannot do that and have an average day.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Cards are not beating another NFC West team playing like last night this season.

eh... they could probably gut out a W at home against the Seahags. But it would be close.

 

[Russ Smith]

Cards are not beating another NFC West team playing like last night this season.

not like last night no hopefully that was the bad game out of Kyler's system. And again for a bad game to be almost 450 yards of offense shows you how good he is.