Moves: The day after the season ends

[Mainstreet]

Seriously, I can't think of a person with NBA connections that I think is more ill-suited to run a franchise than Barkley and that includes our own clueless Blanks. Charles is and has always been a clown and a loose cannon; his only saving grace is that he works in a job that allows him to be a clown and tolerates him when he goes too far.

Steve

If it came down between Barkley or Blanks to run the Suns as the GM (as it is currently construed), how can you go with Blanks? Seriously Charles knows basketball although he may be a loose cannon otherwise. Blanks job is to evaluate talent. Barkley on his worst day knows more about basketball talent than Blanks. Just look at the Suns roster if you want proof.

 

[AzStevenCal]

If it came down between Barkley or Blanks to run the Suns as the GM (as it is currently construed), how can you go with Blanks? Seriously Charles knows basketball although he may be a loose cannon otherwise. Blanks job is to evaluate talent. Barkley on his worst day knows more about basketball talent than Blanks. Just look at the Suns roster if you want proof.

The man can't keep his mouth shut. How do you think that will play dealing with other professionals? And, he's a supremely talented basketball player that failed to earn a ring or two simply because he lacked both impulse control and discipline.

I watch enough of that TNT show to know he still lacks discipline and impulse control. Those comments he made two years ago about women from San Antonio would have relegated anyone else in the business to pariah status. You can get away with that if you're universally viewed as a harmless buffoon and if you have the support of a media giant like he does but he won't have that in Phoenix.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

The man can't keep his mouth shut. How do you think that will play dealing with other professionals? And, he's a supremely talented basketball player that failed to earn a ring or two simply because he lacked both impulse control and discipline.

I watch enough of that TNT show to know he still lacks discipline and impulse control. Those comments he made two years ago about women from San Antonio would have relegated anyone else in the business to pariah status. You can get away with that if you're universally viewed as a harmless buffoon and if you have the support of a media giant like he does but he won't have that in Phoenix.

Steve

Let's cut to the chase. Would you rather have Barkley evaluating talent or Blanks evaluating talent as the Suns GM. Wait, I guess you have already made your opinion known. Obviously I have zero confidence in Blanks as the Suns GM.

 

[Phrazbit]

Let's cut to the chase. Would you rather have Barkley evaluating talent or Blanks evaluating talent as the Suns GM. Wait, I guess you have already made your opinion known. Obviously I have zero confidence in Blanks as the Suns GM.

How about neither?

 

[Mainstreet]

How about neither?

I can go with neither....

but this is a battle to the end between Blanks and Barkley.

 

[Neo]

Seriously, I can't think of a person with NBA connections that I think is more ill-suited to run a franchise than Barkley and that includes our own clueless Blanks.

For the sake of being argumentatives, I'll thow out some names.

There are the proven terrible NBA executives
Scott Layden
Isiah Thomas
Elgin Baylor
Michael Jordon (although the greatest player of all times probably deserves the right to screw up a third franchise.)

There are the supremely troubled former players.
Jayson Williams
Dennis Rodman
Richard Dumas
Shawn Kemp
This list could be pretty long.

And the comically detached from reality . . . Bill Walton.

Still, Barkley is an awful choice for GM. I don't think that the first thing a person runs in their life should be a NBA team. I wouldn't trust Barkley to run a lemonaide stand.

 

[Chaplin]

The man can't keep his mouth shut. How do you think that will play dealing with other professionals? And, he's a supremely talented basketball player that failed to earn a ring or two simply because he lacked both impulse control and discipline.

I watch enough of that TNT show to know he still lacks discipline and impulse control. Those comments he made two years ago about women from San Antonio would have relegated anyone else in the business to pariah status. You can get away with that if you're universally viewed as a harmless buffoon and if you have the support of a media giant like he does but he won't have that in Phoenix.

Steve

I know what you're saying, but you also have to concede that his antics on TNT are a persona. He is paid a lot of money to act like that, whether that's normal or not. As an entertainment personality, he's actually very good, whether you buy into it or not. As a basketball player, he was also very good. But as a GM? He's terrible. Well, except, he's never proven that he's terrible at it. I'm not saying Phoenix is where he should prove it, but I'm saying that it's premature to write him off completely because of his persona as a television personality.

Lance Blanks has a track record of being awful.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Let's cut to the chase. Would you rather have Barkley evaluating talent or Blanks evaluating talent as the Suns GM. Wait, I guess you have already made your opinion known. Obviously I have zero confidence in Blanks as the Suns GM.

I really don't know which one would be better at evaluating talent. I don't like the things I know about Charles Barkley and I feel like I know a lot more about him than I do Lance Blanks. I have no problem if we were to replace Blanks, I'd have a huge problem if we replaced him with Charles Barkley. Giving Barkley the job would be like signing Greg Oden to a max years, max money deal. Even if you got lucky and it paid off, it's still an incredibly bad move. The odds are so far against you with Charles or with Oden.

Steve

 

[AzStevenCal]

I know what you're saying, but you also have to concede that his antics on TNT are a persona. He is paid a lot of money to act like that, whether that's normal or not. As an entertainment personality, he's actually very good, whether you buy into it or not. As a basketball player, he was also very good. But as a GM? He's terrible. Well, except, he's never proven that he's terrible at it. I'm not saying Phoenix is where he should prove it, but I'm saying that it's premature to write him off completely because of his persona as a television personality.

Lance Blanks has a track record of being awful.

See, I don't think it is a persona. I think it's Chuck, it's what he is and it's paid dividends for TNT. He's always said and done whatever struck his fancy at the moment, whether it's spitting on someone or hitting someone or degrading someone. Again, he lacks discipline and impulse control. And this lack of control has repeatedly manifested itself in his personal life, whether it's fighting with fans or embarrassing the United States in an international game or out-of-control gambling issues or food problems or diarrhea of the mouth.

Obviously, several of you think I'm wrong and I'm really not trying to win an argument here despite how this is coming across. Maybe I am wrong but I'll say it again, he's one of the first guys I would think of hiring if my goal was to make this organization even more of a laughing stock than it already is.

Steve

 

[carey]

What makes you think PJ would be a good GM? He won rings with Jordan, Kobe, and Shaq.... most ovrrated zen bullshitter ever imo.

 

[Mainstreet]

I really don't know which one would be better at evaluating talent. I don't like the things I know about Charles Barkley and I feel like I know a lot more about him than I do Lance Blanks. I have no problem if we were to replace Blanks, I'd have a huge problem if we replaced him with Charles Barkley. Giving Barkley the job would be like signing Greg Oden to a max years, max money deal. Even if you got lucky and it paid off, it's still an incredibly bad move. The odds are so far against you with Charles or with Oden.

Steve

Let's revisit your position on the matter so it is clear. See below.

I'd rather give Blanks and Babby lifetime contracts than bring in Barkley. I'd rather put Horry into the Ring of Honor and put a statue of Sam Cassell outside the arena than give control of the Suns to Barkely. I'd rather watch this current team play as is for the next decade than put Barkley in a position of power. Honestly, I'd rather they move the Suns overseas than let Barkley run this organization. I think every one of these ideas has more merit than putting Charles in Charge.

Steve

Again, I'll take Charles Barkley given these circumstances.

As Chaplin said, "Lance Blanks has a track record of being awful."

 

[AzStevenCal]

Let's revisit your position on the matter so it is clear. See below.



Again, I'll take Charles Barkley given these circumstances.

As Chaplin said, "Lance Blanks has a track record of being awful."

Revisit it all you want, I don't see how my position has changed. I wouldn't want Barkley under any circumstances (PERIOD). I'm not smart enough to know which of these guys is the better talent evaluator but Charles the human being has no business being in a management position IMO. I engaged in hyperbole to make my point but even if you choose to hold me to my actual words, I'm comfortable with them.

Steve

 

[Chaplin]

Revisit it all you want, I don't see how my position has changed. I wouldn't want Barkley under any circumstances (PERIOD). I'm not smart enough to know which of these guys is the better talent evaluator but Charles the human being has no business being in a management position IMO. I engaged in hyperbole to make my point but even if you choose to hold me to my actual words, I'm comfortable with them.

Steve

Let's not mistake ourselves here. I don't know if Barkley would be a good GM, my gut tells me he wouldn't. However, I KNOW that Lance Blanks isn't a good GM. If it came down to one of the two and no alternatives (including "Neither"), then I would go with Barkley. Cautiously, of course, but definitely an unknown quantity over what we do know about Blanks.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Charles Barkley participated with 5 other NBA a greats in a fantasy draft of the NBA's all time greatest players. Barkley got to pick first. Who does he draft? Jordan, Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Hakeem? No none of those. In the first pick of a draft of all time greatest players Charles Barkley chose



Allen Iverson.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BofOXnyQWZk

 

[Phrazbit]

Nice find JC...

Thats embarrassing.

 

[Mainstreet]

Revisit it all you want, I don't see how my position has changed. I wouldn't want Barkley under any circumstances (PERIOD). I'm not smart enough to know which of these guys is the better talent evaluator but Charles the human being has no business being in a management position IMO. I engaged in hyperbole to make my point but even if you choose to hold me to my actual words, I'm comfortable with them.

Steve

I asked you earlier if you were kidding and you did not back down from your remarks. I would have gladly accepted it as hyperbole but since you are still comfortable with the position I will allow you to keep it.

Nah, I knew it was hyperbole. I was just wondering how long it would be before you admitted it.

Actually it was B-Dogg who suggested Barkley should be the Suns GM. See remarks below. Sorry B-Dogg.

I say screw it bring in Barkley and let him be the GM he certainly cant be worse than this crew and he would be a hell of a lot more entertaining. We are going to suck for awhile might as well get some press and make things interesting...

I was just taking the position as devil's advocate. When Phazbit suggested the answer as "neither" (Blanks or Barkley) he was correct.

 

[elindholm]

When Phazbit suggested the answer as "neither" (Blanks or Barkley) he was correct.

Yes, of course. It baffles me that this conversation is persisting. Saying that Barkley might be better than Blanks is utterly irrelevant.

 

[BC867]

Actually it was B-Dogg who suggested Barkley should be the Suns GM.

I also suggested that, versus the current FO crew, we sign the Chuckster to a 2-year contract as GM and I was serious.

When a team's Front Office earns a weak reputation, a step in the right direction isn't enough. You have to do something outside the box, then takes steps in the right direction.

I figure that Barkley would wear out his welcome by the end of a second season. Then, instead of trying to go from weak to strong, we go from outrageous to strong.

But Charles would need to hire a Head Coach with the guts to stand up to him. No, I don't mean Shaq.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yes, of course. It baffles me that this conversation is persisting. Saying that Barkley might be better than Blanks is utterly irrelevant.

Once Barkley's name was entered into the discussion it became a lightning rod for what I thought was a fun discussion... for awhile.

There remains some serious polarity among fans about him. I think Barkley is doing now what he does best... entertain as a television NBA analyst.

 

[Mainstreet]

I also suggested that, versus the current FO crew, we sign the Chuckster to a 2-year contract as GM and I was serious.

When a team's Front Office earns a weak reputation, a step in the right direction isn't enough. You have to do something outside the box, then takes steps in the right direction.

I figure that Barkley would wear out his welcome by the end of a second season. Then, instead of trying to go from weak to strong, we go from outrageous to strong.

But Charles would need to hire a Head Coach with the guts to stand up to him. No, I don't mean Shaq.

I'm not going there anymore.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I know what you're saying, but you also have to concede that his antics on TNT are a persona. He is paid a lot of money to act like that, whether that's normal or not. As an entertainment personality, he's actually very good, whether you buy into it or not. As a basketball player, he was also very good. But as a GM? He's terrible. Well, except, he's never proven that he's terrible at it. I'm not saying Phoenix is where he should prove it, but I'm saying that it's premature to write him off completely because of his persona as a television personality.

Lance Blanks has a track record of being awful.

I disagree. Barkley has always been just what he is on TNT. In fact, he has calmed down a little. I do not believe it is put on at all. I cannot think of any instance or any role in which Barkley has been anything else.

 

[Chaplin]

Yes, of course. It baffles me that this conversation is persisting. Saying that Barkley might be better than Blanks is utterly irrelevant.

Seriously? It's a message board for a team that is in the dumps. Are you really that baffled? Just because it's an inane conversation you yourself do not want to participate in, is it really that big of a deal?

Tell me what is ever said on a message board by fans that IS relevant?