Murray's 2nd Pick

[Krangodnzr]

that doesn’t support the assertion that it’s easy to be efficient as a passer in those circumstances.

How does it NOT. I dont know if you are being deliberately obtuse or just playing ignorant.

 

[kerouac9]

How does it NOT. I dont know if you are being deliberately obtuse or just playing ignorant.

I’m not arguing that Wilson had a good run game and defense. I’m disputing the argument that it’s easy to be efficient when possessing one. Joe Flacco seemed to struggle in a similar circumstance. Go back up your assertion with some data. Otherwise you’re just throwing bull flop into the air and hoping no one notices.

 

[DVontel]

How does it NOT. I dont know if you are being deliberately obtuse or just playing ignorant.

I mean...

 

[Krangodnzr]

I’m not arguing that Wilson had a good run game and defense. I’m disputing the argument that it’s easy to be efficient when possessing one. Joe Flacco seemed to struggle in a similar circumstance. Go back up your assertion with some data. Otherwise you’re just throwing bull flop into the air and hoping no one notices.

<Yawn>

Way to make a nice little strawman.

Let me destroy it in the blink of an eye.

No where did I say that it guarantees success....that's just your poorly thought out assumption that I'm saying that.

Joe Flacco is pretty inefficient in nearly every scenario .........Joe Flacco sucks.

A decent QB thrives with a great running game and top 5 all time defense.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I mean...

Part of his m.o. at times I'm afraid. Rather tiresome and over the years I've learned to roll my eyes and chuckle at it.

 

[DVontel]

Part of his m.o. at times I'm afraid. Rather tiresome and over the years I've learned to roll my eyes and chuckle at it.

Yup.

You gotta admire the consistency over the years.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

I love the play call..... We aren't in contention....nothing at all to lose besides the game.
If we were battling for a wildcard, it would have been stupid (Unless successful obviously)


I hope KM learns from all his rookie brain-farts... The first down was there EASILY... The Touchdown was there if he wants to take a hit.

I almost feel like he doesn't want to get pegged as a RB/QB like Lamar Jackson LAST YEAR.
I can't count how many times he's had 10-15 yards of wide open space in front of him, then proceeds to throw an ill advised pass, or worse yet...turn around and scramble backwards, typically with much worse than Russel Wilson like results.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I’m not arguing that Wilson had a good run game and defense. I’m disputing the argument that it’s easy to be efficient when possessing one. Joe Flacco seemed to struggle in a similar circumstance. Go back up your assertion with some data. Otherwise you’re just throwing bull flop into the air and hoping no one notices.

It doesn't make it "easy", but it does make it "easier". Having a good defense that always keeps you in the game means you don't have to get overly aggressive on throws and keeps the possibility of the run alive. Having a good run game means that defenses have to respect every time you run play action because the RB is a threat to make a big play if you aren't ready for him to get the ball. It also makes it more likely that teams load the box in case you run and give you more openings for throws down the field.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

I would argue the very reason Kyler threw the pick is why we should have kicked there, he didn't want to run and he's been like that most of the season. He wasn't having a good game at that point, kicking the FG puts it to a one score game. Yes he should have gotten the first down, we all agree on that, but it wasn't exactly hard to predict he might not make the right decision he's a rookie who wasn't playing well and was clearly confused by Pittsburgh. Sometimes the coach has to be the adult in the room and not get caught up in the moment and take the points. We got the ball back, had we kicked the FG we would have tied the game when we scored the TD to DJ.

KK has also been lambasted this yr on this board for only taking the FG & not going for TD's. I'm glad he went for it, we're 3-8-1 at that point, nothing to lose. Hindsight is 20/20 the FG there & yes, we're tied after the DJ TD. KM just made a bad decision, imo, he could've walked in. I almost threw my beer in disgust when it was picked off. Instead I went back outside & worked on the Christmas lights lol. Only to walk back inside & see the replay of the DJ TD reception.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

See my other post for whatever reason when he runs right he REALLY wants to throw the ball and it ends up usually badly, runs out of bounds, gets tackled for a big loss, throws the ball away. It almost never works. When he runs left it's like he is less inclined to throw because it's running left so he is far more decisive to actually run. I'm not 100% sure but I think at least 3 of the 4 rushing TD's this year have been to the left.

The lone TD against the Rams was definitely to the left. So was the one against the 49ers Halloween night. I think?

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

Yes...with a top 5 Defense...in the history of the NFL.

Wow, what does a top 5 defense look like lol? Been too many yrs now since we had that. Maybe in another 3 yrs lol? We should've paid CC the money & not let him leave for Jax, instead of the wasted 20 million we gave Bradford for 3 games lol.

 

[daves]

Wow, what does a top 5 defense look like lol? Been too many yrs now since we had that.

Only four years, actually... believe it or not!

...dave

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

Only four years, actually... believe it or not!

...dave

Yeah, I figured 4-5 yrs but I was being rather facetious about it because with last yrs defense & this yrs.............seems like an eternity lol?