Murray's agent apparently broke off contact talks?

[Finito]

Lot of impatience from Murray. Gives me pause on making a long term commitment to him. Top 10 QB in first half of season who was greatly diminished down the stretch

Not just this year either. We’ve seen him nose dive the last two seasons.

If I’m AZ I’m not giving him all that money he’s shown nothing to earn it on the field or off. After last year you just can’t make excuses for him anymore

 

[SoonerLou]

Kyler doesnt have the credibility to demand a contract so early.

Kyler was actually doing the Cardinals a favor by asking for a contract so soon, but the Cardinals didn't realize it. (Watson/Rodgers/Carr,etc)

Both things can be true.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Similar contract situation to Ayton... except Ayton actually went out and balled. KM would rather lay in fetal position and be coddled.

Some of you guys are ridiculous.

 

[SoonerLou]

In other words... KM doesn't want to earn it; he wants it handed to him. I would bet he's probably asking for ARod money... even though he's done absolutely nothing to prove he deserves it.

To be fair, he's watched this organization hand 5 year contracts to Keim and Kliff who haven't earned anything either.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

To be fair, he's watched this organization hand 5 year contracts to Keim and Kliff who haven't earned anything either.

^^ what this guy said.

 

[BritCard]

It's the FOs job to make an offer to Kyler. Not to accept an offer from the agent.

Burkhardt's offer wasn't worth the paper it was written on so it makes no difference if he pulled it or not.

Frankly Burkhardt is making himself seem like the low rent "ambulance chaser" kind of agent with these cheap shots and leaks. Real amateur stuff.

FO probably making them wait because of all this crap more than anything else.

 

[SoonerLou]

Things had been quiet but his dad retweeted this a couple weeks ago @Russ Smith

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[Russ Smith]

Things had been quiet but his dad retweeted this a couple weeks ago @Russ Smith

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Kyler absolutely has some fault in all this but it just seems like the front office isn't helping things at all.

We want to sign a new contract that shows commitment and we want to help the franchise get talent etc.

So we lose Kirk, keep Green, sign TE's, very little OL and don't make any real response to his agents request so they pull it

Now maybe the franchise has decided they don't want Kyler and they want to make him look like the bad guy the problem is they have to trade him and if they make him look bad, his value goes down.

I really hope in the end we either work this out keep him, or make a good deal but the options are getting thinner and thinner.

So frustrating.

 

[BurqueCardFan]

Let him sit out, then.

This is my take as well. Screw Kyler. He definitely has not endeared himself to the fan base.
I'd be half tempted to pull a Green Bay Packers special and just draft a QB in the first round, like that Liberty QB. It seemed to light a fire under Rodgers.

 

[SoonerLou]

Kyler absolutely has some fault in all this but it just seems like the front office isn't helping things at all.

We want to sign a new contract that shows commitment and we want to help the franchise get talent etc.

So we lose Kirk, keep Green, sign TE's, very little OL and don't make any real response to his agents request so they pull it

Now maybe the franchise has decided they don't want Kyler and they want to make him look like the bad guy the problem is they have to trade him and if they make him look bad, his value goes down.

I really hope in the end we either work this out keep him, or make a good deal but the options are getting thinner and thinner.

So frustrating.

This.

Im also starting to think they really believe next year they'll be a middling team.

So either Kyler's value tanks cause they don't win enough and get him cheaper. Or Kyler plays at an MVP level (an entire year) where he carries the roster well above where they should be at. Then well whatever he's paid he's earned.

That wouldn't be a problem if Keim wasn't the one making those kind of decisions. As I've said before if you fired Kliff and Keim then it would have been easier to just let the new guys get their own guy. Now we're forced to watch Keim play chess when he's the master of checkers.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

The agent pulled the offer off the table because it was comically low after the new deals were signed.

You want to be pissed at someone, blame the ineptness of the team in how they handled this off season.

Kyler got a fat raise by doing nothing.

 

[Russ Smith]

This.

Im also starting to think they really believe next year they'll be a middling team.

So either Kyler's value tanks cause they don't win enough and get him cheaper. Or Kyler plays at an MVP level (an entire year) where he carries the roster well above where they should be at. Then well whatever he's paid he's earned.

That wouldn't be a problem if Keim wasn't the one making those kind of decisions. As I've said before if you fired Kliff and Keim then it would have been easier to just let the new guys get their own guy. Now we're forced to watch Keim play chess when he's the master of checkers.

My thing is even if you are going to trade him you need talent for the next guy. Dhop is great, I love ertz but he's getting older. I like Moore, Maxx great guy no idea how he'll play this year off the injury. Green no reason to think he'll be better than last year, likely worse at his age.

So even if they made a deal with the Texans or whoever you need talent around the replacement. THink D Hop and Ertz want to play with Baker? I like Davis Mills but again think guys like that at this point in their careers want to play with him as the QB?

Maybe this is Karma we'll trade Kyler, to Houston, then trade for Jimmy G and I'll be stuck watching him for the near future.

 

[Russ Smith]

The agent pulled the offer off the table because it was comically low after the new deals were signed.

You want to be pissed at someone, blame the ineptness of the team in how they handled this off season.

Kyler got a fat raise by doing nothing.

Oh agreed they pulled the offer because of the increase in the market 100% agree.

 

[SoonerLou]

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[Chris_Sanders]

When they either trade him at far less value or overpay him due to the increases in QB Salary and his 5th year option is astronomical now, we can at least say we made him wait cause it was the "Right thing to do"

Man this is some back assward thinking.

 

[Russ Smith]

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I may just be tired but that's written very poorly isn't it I have no idea what the guy is saying beyond the Bidwill family probably won't cave?

 

[SoonerLou]

My thing is even if you are going to trade him you need talent for the next guy. Dhop is great, I love ertz but he's getting older. I like Moore, Maxx great guy no idea how he'll play this year off the injury. Green no reason to think he'll be better than last year, likely worse at his age.

So even if they made a deal with the Texans or whoever you need talent around the replacement. THink D Hop and Ertz want to play with Baker? I like Davis Mills but again think guys like that at this point in their careers want to play with him as the QB?

Maybe this is Karma we'll trade Kyler, to Houston, then trade for Jimmy G and I'll be stuck watching him for the near future.

Its also possible that Keim doesnt believe he can infuse the roster with mega young talent unless he gets a monster deal for Kyler (He cant get all 3 1st round picks wrong right? )

And unless Kyler is going to Philly whatever team he'd go to would be really bad. Deshaun Watson had one of the better years in recent memory and won just 4 games in Houston.

 

[Mainstreet]

Everything flows from the GM.

 

[splitsecond]

Apparently Keim and co really bought into that "its just transitory inflation!" line a little too seriously.

 

[Stout]

Cardinals botched it up, period. But y’all got what y’all want, Kyler will be out of Az and we’ll have to start all over or draft someone we cannot develop because of Keim

You're right! Whiny babies who just melted down to end the season and the playoffs should always get rewarded

 

[Russ Smith]

So in the mailbag for this week someone asks Urban about needs etc and he makes it really clear he thinks WR is our 2nd biggest need behind only pass rusher. I don't know if that was before we signed AJ but he made it quite clear. one of the letters the guy was suggesting trading D Hop for the 10th pick in the draft and Urban basically told him you're nuts, you NEED a #1 WR and this team needs to draft and sign a WR and one of them has to be a #2.

So I know he sees it the same way I do. So if you're moving Murray over his contract you need a bunch coming back in the deal.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Everything flows from the GM.

Our gm sure likes flowing up to a bar lately sure alchol can affect decisions...

But heyyyyyy on bright side got green back /facepalm

 

[Vacard]

You're right! Whiny babies who just melted down to end the season and the playoffs should always get rewarded

So what’s the alternative?? Draft one by Keim???

 

[dreamcastrocks]

You're right! Whiny babies who just melted down to end the season and the playoffs should always get rewarded

Are you talking about Kyler, or Keim/Kliff? The latter sure as hell got rewarded.

 

[Zalixar]

Cardinals continue to be the perpetual joke of the NFL. Always a clown show.