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Originally posted by elindholm
I think that using this forum as a "sounding board" for how we feel about the Suns' team philosophy is an excellent purpose. What else is this board for, if not for Suns fans to discuss the team, good and bad?

I don't really care whether it's one, five, ten, or twenty-eight teams that have no interest in Mutombo. The point is this:

1. The Suns have a glaring, potentially crippling weakness at center.

2. Apparently, their solution is to play power forwards (Stoudemire, Gugliotta, and maybe Archibald) out of position at center, most likely leading to the need to play small forwards (Marion, Cabarkapa, and maybe DJohnson) out of position at power forward.

3. They are so set on this "solution" that they are refusing to consider scenarios involving a real center. They could easily have said, "We think Mutombo could help us, but we know we can't afford him, so we won't be pursuing him." But they didn't say that.

4. I'll say things are good when I think they're good, and I'll say things are bad when I think they're bad. I encourage everyone else to do likewise. And I think this is bad.

And I appreciate us being able to discuss things without dropping to hcsilla type consescending crap, thanks for that Elindholm...

I see your point about the forum ebing a sounding bpoard. Youre statement to me was more for effect than for legitimacy of point, so I called you on it, thats all.

The SUns could have said that, but maybe they dont believe he would help this team? Again, Im not saying I agree wth the sentiment, but you asking for thatkind of statement from the organization seems to assume that they feel he would help. Isnt that open to interpretation?
 

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Originally posted by schutd


Obviously, The Nets were more interested in paying him 27 million to NOT play for them.
Obviously the Nets were more interested in paying him 27 mil. to not play for them than in paying him 35 mil. to play 10-15. min for them.
 

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Again, Im not saying I agree wth the sentiment, but you asking for thatkind of statement from the organization seems to assume that they feel he would help.

Yes, that's true. On the other hand, I think it is absurd to believe that Mutombo would not help the Suns. If you established a bunch of conditions -- like maybe he had to be the starting center, or he had to play so many minutes, or he had to be on the floor in crunch time -- then yes, I can see how it might hurt.

But how can it hurt to have him on the roster? Will the Suns face times this season in which their big men are in foul trouble? Absolutely. Will they face times in which they're getting run over by an opposing center, powerless to stop him? I'd count on it. Will they face times in which they're repeatedly getting beat on the perimeter and could really use a shot blocker in the lane? I don't see why not.

Even if Mutombo were used only as a "situational defender," it seems clear to me that he would help. Of course, he might not be interested in such an assignment, especially not for what the Suns would be willing to pay. But again, that's not the point.

So maybe the Suns could have said, "We don't think that Mutombo would play a big role for us, and we know that he wants to go someplace where he'll see a lot of minutes." That would have been fine too. I just think to say, "We have no interest in Mutombo, period" -- which was basically the statement -- shows an alarming lack of concern about the problem this team has at center.
 

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Originally posted by schutd
It may not be great analysis, but its RIGHT, jerk.
Nice point which doesn't say anything except that you know the word "jerk" which is a nice performance from someone with your IQ level.

The Nets didnt want him,
Did he play for the vet min. for the Nets?

and we didnt want him.
Who else besides you and "Young's source"?

So your assertation that every team in the league would want him for the min is WRONG.
So your assertation about my assertation is wrong.

Glad youre so adept at being an ass though.
Another very good point.Sign of true intelligence.
 

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Originally posted by elindholm
Again, Im not saying I agree wth the sentiment, but you asking for thatkind of statement from the organization seems to assume that they feel he would help.

Yes, that's true. On the other hand, I think it is absurd to believe that Mutombo would not help the Suns. If you established a bunch of conditions -- like maybe he had to be the starting center, or he had to play so many minutes, or he had to be on the floor in crunch time -- then yes, I can see how it might hurt.

But how can it hurt to have him on the roster? Will the Suns face times this season in which their big men are in foul trouble? Absolutely. Will they face times in which they're getting run over by an opposing center, powerless to stop him? I'd count on it. Will they face times in which they're repeatedly getting beat on the perimeter and could really use a shot blocker in the lane? I don't see why not.

Even if Mutombo were used only as a "situational defender," it seems clear to me that he would help. Of course, he might not be interested in such an assignment, especially not for what the Suns would be willing to pay. But again, that's not the point.

So maybe the Suns could have said, "We don't think that Mutombo would play a big role for us, and we know that he wants to go someplace where he'll see a lot of minutes." That would have been fine too. I just think to say, "We have no interest in Mutombo, period" -- which was basically the statement -- shows an alarming lack of concern about the problem this team has at center.

Eric, you have been much more critical than I have of the Suns in the notion of playing small ball. However I agree with everything you wrote here. I would have had no problem at the Phoenix Suns had just said we won't be able to afford Mutombo. That's probably what this all boils down to. But they said they had no interest in him even for the minimum. It is flat out stupid. Even with the luxury tax the veteran's minimum would only cost them $1.5 million this season.

I find it very strange that some people on this message board have been pissing and moaning about trading away Big Jake, but they aren't at all interested in Mutombo. In 5 years when Mutombo is 60 years old he will still be twice as good as Jake Tsakalidis on both ends of the court. :)

Joe Mama
 

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Originally posted by Joe Mama
Eric, you have been much more critical than I have of the Suns in the notion of playing small ball. However I agree with everything you wrote here. I would have had no problem at the Phoenix Suns had just said we won't be able to afford Mutombo. That's probably what this all boils down to. But they said they had no interest in him even for the minimum. It is flat out stupid. Even with the luxury tax the veteran's minimum would only cost them $1.5 million this season.

I find it very strange that some people on this message board have been pissing and moaning about trading away Big Jake, but they aren't at all interested in Mutombo. In 5 years when Mutombo is 60 years old he will still be twice as good as Jake Tsakalidis on both ends of the court. :)

Joe Mama

Of course, you're assuming that the credibility of any of this stuff is ship-shape. It'd be nice if they're trying, but if the source is some ballboy who overheard someone talking about it--how reliable do you think it is?

Am I mad that Jake was traded? Again, my anger at the trade is based on what we got in return basketball-wise, not financially. Sure, I wouldn't mind Mutombo, but for no more than what Big Jake was getting.

Besides, it may have been a foregone conclusion that Deke would get more than anything we could offer, so this entire thread is pretty much moot.
 

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Originally posted by hcsilla
Nice point which doesn't say anything except that you know the word "jerk" which is a nice performance from someone with your IQ level.


Did he play for the vet min. for the Nets?


Who else besides you and "Young's source"?


So your assertation about my assertation is wrong.


Another very good point.Sign of true intelligence.

Seriously, Lets stop the mamby pamby crap. Why are you coming after me with this stuff? You started this nasty exchange. I simply stated an opinion, and you jumped down my throat. And now youre trying to continue the exchange with elementary digs at my intelligence. A. Grow up. B. Why me? C. Are you so bored in the off season?
 

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Originally posted by elindholm

I just think to say, "We have no interest in Mutombo, period" -- which was basically the statement -- shows an alarming lack of concern about the problem this team has at center.

Ill concede. But only with the notion that maybe the organization KNEW they weren't getting him for the Min anyway and wanted to instill some amount of confidence in their existing players at the position? Maybe a stretch, but at the end of the day we can all agree that Mutombo wasnt going to be had to vet min anyway...
 

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Originally posted by schutd
You started this nasty exchange. I simply stated an opinion, and you jumped down my throat.
Very short memory.
I stated an opinion, you DID jump on it, I responded objectively to it, you DID name my opinion silly, I still didn't take your poor style and responded only with sarcasm, then you DID name me jerk and an ass and now you are the one who is whining?

A. Grow up. B. Why me?
So why do you have to grow up?
I don't know but sooner or later you have to.


BTW, in this debate basically I had the same opinion as elindholm.
You did appreciate his and went mad because of mine.
Don't you have some Dr. Jekyll- Mr.Hyde syndrome?
 

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Originally posted by hcsilla
Very short memory.
I stated an opinion, you DID jump on it, I responded objectively to it, you DID name my opinion silly, I still didn't take your poor style and responded only with sarcasm, then you DID name me jerk and an ass and now you are the one who is whining?


So why do you have to grow up?
I don't know but sooner or later you have to.


BTW, in this debate basically I had the same opinion as elindholm.
You did appreciate his and went mad because of mine.
Don't you have some Dr. Jekyll- Mr.Hyde syndrome?

No, Elindholm didnt overreact to me calling a certain course of action silly. You did, and then got sarcastic with me. Yes sarcasm IS reason for me calling you an ass. I didnt jump down your throat for your opinion, I merely countered with mine. If you cant handle my opinion referring to a course of action that you happen to agree with silly, and have to go and take it all personal and get snippy with me, I'm going to respond in kind. And Don't go questioning my intelligence. You dont know the firs tthing about me.

Lets do everyone a favor. Lets end this. I dont like you, you dont like me, and we can get back to the relevent topics. Cool?
 

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Originally posted by schutd
Ill concede. But only with the notion that maybe the organization KNEW they weren't getting him for the Min anyway and wanted to instill some amount of confidence in their existing players at the position? Maybe a stretch, but at the end of the day we can all agree that Mutombo wasnt going to be had to vet min anyway...

I actually think that is probably the case Dave. I think you hit it on the head.

I mean, seriously, there was a blurb (and not even a quote) that said that we wouldn't offer Mutombo even the minimum. How trustworthy is such a comment, especially coming from a rag like the Republic?

Do you guys know if that was said in the Tribune as well?
 

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Mutombo just doesn't fit.

Its not even about his ability. He's got maybe a year left, if more only on fumes.

He doesn't fit in our rebuilding plans. We need younger players. We've got to develop younger players. With Googs and Penny, we've got enough aging vets.

He's not needed for "mentoring" (no one really to mentor right now) and we already have Iavaroni.

I just can't see all the fuss about not being interested in Mutombo.

BTW, isn't interesting how quickly he has moved through his last few teams. Why didn't Philly want him, or NJ?
 

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Originally posted by schutd
No, Elindholm didnt overreact to me calling a certain course of action silly. You did, and then got sarcastic with me. Yes sarcasm IS reason for me calling you an ass.
Thanks for proving me that you were the one who overreacted in this debate.

I didnt jump down your throat for your opinion,
I did not either.

I merely countered with mine.
And yours was that mine is silly, right? Is that correct and fair?

If you cant handle my opinion referring to a course of action that you happen to agree with silly, and have to go and take it all personal and get snippy with me, I'm going to respond in kind.
Again, your are mixing me with yourself.
You couldn't handle my opinion and lost your calmness and now you are trying to convince me that I did do this not you.
But I still can read and click on pages and if you also can then you could see what have happened.

And Don't go questioning my intelligence. You dont know the firs tthing about me.
I didn't question your intelligence.
You yourself did with your replies.
I just pointed out to that.

Lets do everyone a favor. Lets end this. I dont like you, you dont like me, and we can get back to the relevent topics. Cool? [/B]
It is.
 
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