my Blaine Gabbert advertisement of the day...

[Stout]

Gabbert was considered a top recruit coming out of high school. Some sites had him graded higher than Luck as a prospect at the time. He's been on the radar since way back then. We just didn't hear about him because he wasn't the full time starter. Same thing as Cam Newton.

Unlike Big Ben who I don't believe was regarded as a blue chip prospect coming out of high school (which is why he ended up at Miami of Ohio instead of a BCS autoqualifying school).

Okay, I just went ahead and highlighted everything in your post that was completely irrelevant to the conversation. Who cares what anyone was ranked as a recruit coming out of high school? I'm talking about buzz for the draft. Cam Newton was getting attention during the season. Gabbert? Not so much.

 

[Mulli]

Okay, I just went ahead and highlighted everything in your post that was completely irrelevant to the conversation. Who cares what anyone was ranked as a recruit coming out of high school? I'm talking about buzz for the draft. Cam Newton was getting attention during the season. Gabbert? Not so much.

Gabbert was. Ask conraddobler.

 

[DoTheDew]

Okay, I just went ahead and highlighted everything in your post that was completely irrelevant to the conversation. Who cares what anyone was ranked as a recruit coming out of high school? I'm talking about buzz for the draft. Cam Newton was getting attention during the season. Gabbert? Not so much.

It is relevant because most of the elite NFL players were, guess what, elite high school players. And FWIW who cares how much buzz someone was getting in September? There's tons of guys who were supposed to be top picks that aren't in the spotlight now. That's why they play the season?

Players having 1 great season in college and getting tons of buzz doesn't mean anything about their potential as a pro. That's why there are so many heisman winners who are busts. Once the season is over scouts starting looking at how the player looks as a pro prospect instead of a college player. That is why Gabbert is getting the buzz now. The scouts believe he looks like more of an NFL QB than Newton or Mallet.

 

[Stout]

It is relevant because most of the elite NFL players were, guess what, elite high school players. And FWIW who cares how much buzz someone was getting in September? There's tons of guys who were supposed to be top picks that aren't in the spotlight now. That's why they play the season?

Players having 1 great season in college and getting tons of buzz doesn't mean anything about their potential as a pro. That's why there are so many heisman winners who are busts. Once the season is over scouts starting looking at how the player looks as a pro prospect instead of a college player. That is why Gabbert is getting the buzz now. The scouts believe he looks like more of an NFL QB than Newton or Mallet.

Again, high school performance means absolutely nothing in this equation. To think otherwise is just plain stupid.

If Gabbert was garnering buzz during the actual season, it would be a lot different. If he was generating buzz in November even, it might be different. He wasn't really talked about as a top prospect until after the college season was over. That is a major, major mark against him IMO.

Now, does it mean I may not eventually support drafting the kid? Of course not. I may be won over eventually. Right now, however, I'm not buying into the hype, which is all it is at this point.

 

[football karma]

Watching the Mizzou / OU game earlier this year, they talked a great deal about Gabbert being a pro prospect, but they also assumed he was coming out in 2012

 

[Mulli]

Again, high school performance means absolutely nothing in this equation. To think otherwise is just plain stupid.

If Gabbert was garnering buzz during the actual season, it would be a lot different. If he was generating buzz in November even, it might be different. He wasn't really talked about as a top prospect until after the college season was over. That is a major, major mark against him IMO.

Now, does it mean I may not eventually support drafting the kid? Of course not. I may be won over eventually. Right now, however, I'm not buying into the hype, which is all it is at this point.

http://nflmocks.com/2010/09/15/2011-nfl-draft-scouting-report-blaine-gabbert-mizzou/

From Sept 10,

Everything an NFL team could want in a quarterback. Mizzou didn’t really have another option at the qb position when he hurt his ankle, so he played through that stretch, even if it wasn’t the best situation for him. You have to respect him putting the team before anything else.
Projected Round:
If Blaine Gabbert decides to forego his Senior season at Mizzou, I could see him being a late 1st to mid 2nd round pick.

w00t!

 

[conraddobler]

He was always considered a top flight prospect for the NFL, that's never waivered, but as many people have said, he surprised a lot of people by comming out this year.

He was allowed to take stock of where he'd go and must of liked the answer.

Most people expected he'd return to school for his senior year.

 

[conraddobler]

No one was talking about the #12 team in the country?

Nope.

Not on a national level.

We get zero respect, terrible bowls, just fresh off the Big 12/ Big 10 debacle where they took Nebraska out of the Big 12 even though the rumors started off with Mizzou going to the Big 10.

Prior to the start of this year there was a time where Mizzou was nearly stuck with the Big 12 disintegrating and leaving them in the Mountain West conference.

One year we beat KU, for their only loss, went to the big 12 Championship game, lost to OU and KU gets the BCS bowl we get the Cotton bowl.

This stuff happens all the time, it's changing but not hearing as much about a QB out of Mizzou means very little.

 

[Stout]

Okay, so he was somewhat talked about. I had never heard of him until a few weeks ago. I'm just not sold on him. That could change, possibly.

 

[Mulli]

Okay, so he was somewhat talked about. I had never heard of him until a few weeks ago. I'm just not sold on him. That could change, possibly.

Me neither, and I still think his name doesn't sound like an NFL QB should. Blaine Gabbert?

 

[desertdawg]

Me neither, and I still think his name doesn't sound like an NFL QB should. Blaine Gabbert?

Sounds like a law firm.

 

[DoTheDew]

Again, high school performance means absolutely nothing in this equation. To think otherwise is just plain stupid.

It's been proven time and again that college performance proves very little as well. The level of hype a player was generating their last season in college doesn't really mean squat either. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many busts every year. College hype is not and should not be what someone looks at when deciding if a player will be good.

It's about mechanics, personality, and physical tools. Hype doesn't mean squat.

 

[conraddobler]

It's been proven time and again that college performance proves very little as well. The level of hype a player was generating their last season in college doesn't really mean squat either. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many busts every year. College hype is not and should not be what someone looks at when deciding if a player will be good.

It's about mechanics, personality, and physical tools. Hype doesn't mean squat.

I agree, he has two of the three down, his mechanics are raw, not bad, not Peyton Manning either.

He'll take time to develop, one year to fix his mechanics and another year to learn.

So he's probably not going to make anyone on our team all fuzzy for him, too long until payday.

He might slip a bit because of all this but I consider him a bargin whoever gets him, because I think he'll learn and be very good.

 

[BirdMan21]

That doesn't make any sense. If he is that good, his name would have been generating buzz, as in 'will he or won't he'. Please show me something showing the consensus is that people thought he'd be the #1 pick next year. I call complete bs.

What qualifies as a good enough source? The guy was being talked about last year as QBs for 2012, I think thats as much as you can ask for. I have tried to find the old mock drafts, and I will continue (just tough now as all the articles and mocks are now about him NOW because of Luck pulling out...so Luck going #1 next year and Gabbert going as high as #1 this year, according to SI today)

http://www.nfldraftbible.com/NFL-Insider-Insider-info/scouting-the-quarterbacks-class-of-2012.html

(Back in May of last year they had him just behind Mallet for 2012)

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&id=5546721

(In September #3 QB behind Luck and Mallett)

Gabbert- Strong arm, good mobility, prototype in terms of physical skills. Ranked all year in my top QBs. Jumps with draft declaration (Kiper 1/4/11)

This entire year when he was playing, he wasn't going to get any hype over Newton (all time year), Luck (#1 even if he decided to play punter this year), Mallet (can a 6'7 QB be successful in the NFL), Locker (all the talent in the world but got worse each year), and possibly even Andy Dalton (undefeated TCU)....that is why you wouldn't hear about him from ESPN (where I am guessing you got your info from).

Had Mizzu made a run at the title then for sure it would have been Gabbert v Newton and made it out to be a prizefight....but Gabbert wasn't coming out in 2010 with Luck unless he had a 99% 1st round guarantee, although a Locker repeat worried him, at least that was his plan with his agent as recently as mid-Dec.

Sadly cause of stuff like this, I don't often post inside info (Cardinals contacts, NFL contacts, sports agents comments) often on this board because too many people would rather call BS than ask questions or at worst wait to see if what I am saying is right. But if you feel that this too is "complete bs" there are plenty of posters here who can vouch for information regarding the Cardinals and football in general that I have known prior to the public. But I am more than happy to pass on info to my friends when we discuss the Cards. So in the future, I'd appreciate that if you are just gonna call my post BS and question my integrity because you hadn't heard of him and say he wasn't being pimped till "out of nowhere" was just wrong. But maybe if you took the time to see if perhaps you don't know everything and that maybe you were just enjoying an amazing season from Newton and the dreams of Luck as our future QB...thats fine. But don't start singling out my posts to question my integrity....I just ignore you when you're wrong or when I think you are at least, I'd appreciate if you would do the same or at worst, ask a question.

 

[Stout]

I am no longer arguing the point. Clearly I had not heard of him, and I thought I would have if he had so much of this supposed hype.

Right now, I don't want to draft him. He could change my mind with all his workouts and such, and especially if there is no FA or trading of players. We shall see.