My mock - your thoughts?

[overseascardfan]

Free Agent signing
B.Albert (LT)

returning from IR
J.Cooper (OG)
A.Okafor (OLB)
S.Acho (OLB)

A lot of posters will likely dislike that I don't have a pass rusher in my mock, keep in mind that we will be adding two pass rushing OLB's to the 2013 roster by getting Acho and Okafor back from the IR.

1.) E.Ebron/J.Amaro/A.Sefarius-jenkins (TE) or J.Gilbert/D.Denard (CB).

A top tier TE would open this offense up immensely and BA makes no secret about how much he loves to use the TE. With our big WR's in Fitz and Floyd, if we could force the D to pay attention to a big time threat at TE, we would have options galore.

A top CB opposite PP21 with Honey Badger in the slot would allow our front 7 to pin their ears back and go. As good as the Defense is, the DB's need some help.

2.) Z.Mettenberger - LSU (QB) - 6'5" 230lbs - Top 15 talent and one of the top rated passers in the country with 10.4 Yards per attempt, and did it against SEC defenses. Likley to slide in the draft due to torn ACL. Sit him behind Palmer for a year or two.

3.) A.Williams - Boston College (RB) - 6'0" 227lbs Leading rusher in the nation, he's a mack truck with feet. Perfect compliment to A.Ellington

4.) C.Loston - LSU (SS) - 6'2" 210lbs good size/speed (4.50/40), coverage skills and LOVES to hit.

5.) J.Huff - Oregon (WR) - 5'11" 205 lbs - Over 18 Yards/reception, runs a 4.4 40 and is use to playing the slot. Deep threat.

6.) S.Heanderson - Miami (OT) - Take a flyer on an uber talented 6'7" 345LB. tackle that needs to get his head on straight to stay on a roster

I agree with signing a FA LT as ARZ is picking 20th in the first round and a elite one will not be available then. So hopefully ARZ brings in either Albert or Eugene Monroe who they could have already had, same for Albert.

I think I would wait until next year to take a QB prospect as CP is signed for another couple of years and Drew Stanton is a young enough guy who has experience if CP goes down.

So my draft would go (similar to most of your selections):

#1 - CB Justin Gilbert - Would be a GREAT #2 in NFL. Size & playmaking skills.

#2 - OLB Jackson Jeffcoat - I know Acho & Okafor come back next year but Jeffcoat was a beast for UT and has more potential than Acho & Okafor.

#3 - RB Andre Williams - Agree with you, he is a between the tackles bruiser who could get at least 20 carries a game.

#4 - SS Craig Loston - Not sure he is there in Round 4 but if he is, he's a steal.

#5 - WR Josh Huff - Again not sure if this guy is around this late but Keim is looking for a vertical threat and this guy fits the bill.

#6 - OT Seantrel Henderson - If he gets his act together he could dominate. According to NFL Draft Countdown he is 6'8 345 and runs a 5.09 40-yard dash which is unbelievable if true for a man that size. If its true he may not last this late.

#7 - TE Chris Coyle - Small for a TE I know, but he would fit a hybrid TE/WR/HB role. He can catch and run as we've seen since he's a local guy at ASU.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Terrible. First off getting Branden Albert in FA is just wishful thinking. There is no way we can afford him considering he will be expecting mucho dollars.

Taking a TE in the first is just ridiculous. There are so many more important holes on this team that they need to fix before they worry about TE (OT, OLB, S, QB, etc.)

Dennard will not be available to us at 20 and Gilbert may not be either. But regardless what value do they gain from drafting a CB in the first? They already invested some money in Powers and he has played pretty well as of late. I think they will take a CB in the draft but probably not in the early rounds.

And seriously Mettenberger? This dude just tore his acl and you want to spend a second rounder on him? He has poor pocket poise and zero ability to evade the rush. His ceiling in the NFL is Carson Palmer who we already have so why waste a pick on this dude? It would be like getting rid of all the progress we have made with Palmer and in return putting a rookie at the helm who has as much upside as Palmer. I want to take a QB that has more upside than Palmer and Mettenberger simply does not. There is nothing he offers that Palmer doesn't already have.

I can't speak on any of the later round picks but there is no way Seantrel Heanderson lasts until the 6th round.

Selecting a TE if the first is only "ridiculous" if he isn't the top rated player on the Cards board at #20.

Keim and Arians have made it clear they do not draft for need.

 

[pacman]

IMO, Methenberger's injury is the only way that we might have a shot at him in the second round. And even with the injury I doubt that he'll be available then. There's a possibility that we go after him in the first round.

I'd be shocked if Mettenberger was taken before the third round.

 

[pacman]

I have to question anybody's assertion as to which QB's are good at reading defenses. None of us know that. Most college QB's are 1 read QB's. I think about the only one in recent memory that was not a 1 read QB was Luck and that's because he had Harbaugh running the show.

I don't know how good Manziel is at reading defenses but I know, from watching on TV, that they don't run a complex offenses. I haven't seen enough of UCLA but I've read that they run somewhat of a pro style offense.

I think with Cameron at LSU, they ran more of a pro style passing game this year. Penn St. is another team that leaned toward a pro style offense too.

I think A&M runs a similar system to Baylor, which is more of a 1 read offense.

He's not reading the defense to where he makes audibles at the line. But he is making reads to find what coverage the defense is lined up in and finding the open areas of the field. Also are you implying Manziel works in a one-read system?

All of the times where the play breaks down and he is running for his life looking downfield he is looking for any receiver open. That's what I love about his game.

 

[pacman]

Brandon Albert has to be the Cardinals #1 target in free agency after taking care of their own FAs IMO. Left tackle is at the top of the to-do list for Steve Keim this offseason and the chances of getting one at #20 overall are slim and none. B.A. and B.A. would make an awesome couple.


I wonder if Eric Winston will be re-signed by the Cardinals, and if so, if he has any influence with Brandon Albert. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

Lmao this is just plain wrong. There is a great crop of talented LTs in this year's draft. There will be value at #20 for OTs.

 

[pacman]

The only thing Manziel has in common with Wilson is that they are both short. Wilson is thicker, has a better arm, and is a smarter player in terms of both avoiding mistakes and hits. Manziel is similar to RGIII in terms of how they both use their feet and the big hits they both take. One thing to consider is that Manziel is shorter and lighter than RGIII with a weaker arm. Manziel will get broken in the NFL unless he totally changes how he uses his mobility.

How can you say Wilson has a better arm?

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[BurqueCardFan]

How can you say Wilson has a better arm?

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Watched that game too. Horrible throw, pure luck that they completed it into triple coverage. This guy will be Tebow 2.0

 

[pacman]

Watched that game too. Horrible throw, pure luck that they completed it into triple coverage. This guy will be Tebow 2.0

I didn't say it wasn't a stupid throw. It was really stupid but you're ignoring that he just threw the football 40 yards on his backfoot!!! That's impressive.

Also come on you're just making yourself look like an idiot calling him Tebow 2.0

He's a completely different player than Tebow because he can actually throw the ball really well. Tebow is a runner, not a QB. Johnny can run but is at his best when he is on the run making throws. Even in the pocket he can step up and deliver a strike 30 yards down the field on a corner route. Tebow can't do that.

 

[bankybruce]

I didn't say it wasn't a stupid throw. It was really stupid but you're ignoring that he just threw the football 40 yards on his backfoot!!! That's impressive.

Also come on you're just making yourself look like an idiot calling him Tebow 2.0

He's a completely different player than Tebow because he can actually throw the ball really well. Tebow is a runner, not a QB. Johnny can run but is at his best when he is on the run making throws. Even in the pocket he can step up and deliver a strike 30 yards down the field on a corner route. Tebow can't do that.

Also, Timmy is build like a LB and Johnny is build like the QB who played on my freshman football team. But you can end both of their names with a "Y", so they have more in common than I thought.

 

[pacman]

Also, Timmy is build like a LB and Johnny is build like the QB who played on my freshman football team. But you can end both of their names with a "Y", so they have more in common than I thought.

I think he can manage to put on weight. It's not like he's stuck at what he weighs right now

 

[bankybruce]

I think he can manage to put on weight. It's not like he's stuck at what he weighs right now

I realize that, he is only 20 years old afterall. That is why he needs to go to a team where he can sit and learn while getting stronger for two seasons. He actually might make sense for us because of that. Too bad I think he goes in the top 5 and will get thrown to the wolves too fast though.

 

[sundevil04]

He just turned 21 and has a size 15 shoe, I think he's got some growing to do. (mentally/emotionally as well as physically)

 

[BurqueCardFan]

I didn't say it wasn't a stupid throw. It was really stupid but you're ignoring that he just threw the football 40 yards on his backfoot!!! That's impressive.

Also come on you're just making yourself look like an idiot calling him Tebow 2.0

He's a completely different player than Tebow because he can actually throw the ball really well. Tebow is a runner, not a QB. Johnny can run but is at his best when he is on the run making throws. Even in the pocket he can step up and deliver a strike 30 yards down the field on a corner route. Tebow can't do that.

We shall see. I just hope we don't hang our hopes on him as the QB of the future. He strikes me as someone who gets by more on ad-libbing, athletic ability and luck. Those may hold water in the college game but the NFL is a different story. Same reason so many previous "Heisman" winners have flopped in the NFL.

 

[GuernseyCard]

There are 4, 5 teams picking before Cards that could be looking for a Qb.

 

[cardncubfan]

I didn't say it wasn't a stupid throw. It was really stupid but you're ignoring that he just threw the football 40 yards on his backfoot!!! That's impressive.

Also come on you're just making yourself look like an idiot calling him Tebow 2.0

He's a completely different player than Tebow because he can actually throw the ball really well. Tebow is a runner, not a QB. Johnny can run but is at his best when he is on the run making throws. Even in the pocket he can step up and deliver a strike 30 yards down the field on a corner route. Tebow can't do that.

Sounds like Plummer.

 

[overseascardfan]

Well, maybe Brett Hundley enters the draft, also what about Braxton Miller, more of a runner than passer but he has an arm, very efficient but not spectacular.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

At this point, I really like that mock. I don't love taking a RB in the 3rd, but I wouldn't get too upset with that either.

I am almost sure that Arians would love Mettenberger for his offense, and a big time TE as well.

 

[pacman]

Well, maybe Brett Hundley enters the draft, also what about Braxton Miller, more of a runner than passer but he has an arm, very efficient but not spectacular.

Hundley hasn't declared yet. I loved him going into the season and still do. He needs to sit down for a season which luckily he can if we draft him.

Braxton Miller is an athlete playing QB. He'll never develop into an NFL QB and doesn't fit Bruce's scheme.

 

[Southpaw]

Well, maybe Brett Hundley enters the draft, also what about Braxton Miller, more of a runner than passer but he has an arm, very efficient but not spectacular.

Braxton Miller is not an NFL QB IMNSHO. Fine tuned under Urban Meyer to be Tim Tebow Lite. Brett Hundley looks like he could use another year of college ball. Watch him against Virginia Tech in the Sun Bowl. Va Tech has a very good defense that tends to expose QBs.

 

[ajcardfan]

Watched that game too. Horrible throw, pure luck that they completed it into triple coverage. This guy will be Tebow 2.0

This throw sure takes a lot of criticism....

He WAS throwing to Mike Evans as high as he could. Since Evans is 6'5", and can jump, the throw wasn't nearly as dumb as it seems on the surface. It's not his fault another Aggie WR cut off the throw and made the catch. For a better guide on how he throws deep, look at the 97-yd TD to Evans from the same game.


But yeah, I know throws like that never work in the NFL.

I remember how Eli Manning tried a throw like at of UofP stadium, and New England intercepted it, won the Super Bowl, and had the greatest undefeated NFL season ever.

 

[BigRedRage]

Terrible. First off getting Branden Albert in FA is just wishful thinking. There is no way we can afford him considering he will be expecting mucho dollars.

Taking a TE in the first is just ridiculous. There are so many more important holes on this team that they need to fix before they worry about TE (OT, OLB, S, QB, etc.)

Dennard will not be available to us at 20 and Gilbert may not be either. But regardless what value do they gain from drafting a CB in the first? They already invested some money in Powers and he has played pretty well as of late. I think they will take a CB in the draft but probably not in the early rounds.

And seriously Mettenberger? This dude just tore his acl and you want to spend a second rounder on him? He has poor pocket poise and zero ability to evade the rush. His ceiling in the NFL is Carson Palmer who we already have so why waste a pick on this dude? It would be like getting rid of all the progress we have made with Palmer and in return putting a rookie at the helm who has as much upside as Palmer. I want to take a QB that has more upside than Palmer and Mettenberger simply does not. There is nothing he offers that Palmer doesn't already have.

I can't speak on any of the later round picks but there is no way Seantrel Heanderson lasts until the 6th round.

I don't think he posted it for you to attack it, more to discuss it.

Anyway, sundevil I like mettenberger if he is there in the second. If we can land a blue chip for the future that late u have to pull the trigger. I prefer a rodgers situation of learning before you play anyway to raise our odds of having a good pick vs flinging outa deer in the headlights as qb and crossing fingers. If the kid is as good as people say id do that right away.

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[BigRedRage]

I agree with signing a FA LT as ARZ is picking 20th in the first round and a elite one will not be available then. So hopefully ARZ brings in either Albert or Eugene Monroe who they could have already had, same for Albert.

I think I would wait until next year to take a QB prospect as CP is signed for another couple of years and Drew Stanton is a young enough guy who has experience if CP goes down.

So my draft would go (similar to most of your selections):

#1 - CB Justin Gilbert - Would be a GREAT #2 in NFL. Size & playmaking skills.

#2 - OLB Jackson Jeffcoat - I know Acho & Okafor come back next year but Jeffcoat was a beast for UT and has more potential than Acho & Okafor.

#3 - RB Andre Williams - Agree with you, he is a between the tackles bruiser who could get at least 20 carries a game.

#4 - SS Craig Loston - Not sure he is there in Round 4 but if he is, he's a steal.

#5 - WR Josh Huff - Again not sure if this guy is around this late but Keim is looking for a vertical threat and this guy fits the bill.

#6 - OT Seantrel Henderson - If he gets his act together he could dominate. According to NFL Draft Countdown he is 6'8 345 and runs a 5.09 40-yard dash which is unbelievable if true for a man that size. If its true he may not last this late.

#7 - TE Chris Coyle - Small for a TE I know, but he would fit a hybrid TE/WR/HB role. He can catch and run as we've seen since he's a local guy at ASU.

Cp only has 1 or 2 years left on his contract and probably on his career. The kid could learn for one and possibly 2. I like the odds of 2 years learning on the job before running the show. We need to take a qb this year and if its a real late pick maybe take 1 next yr too

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[Twist18]

At the 20th pick, if he declares, I would take a flyer on LT Cam Erving from FSU. Great athlete only gonna get better, imho.

 

[pacman]

At the 20th pick, if he declares, I would take a flyer on LT Cam Erving from FSU. Great athlete only gonna get better, imho.

Very likely that if he falls to us we take him. As Keim showed in last years draft, he loves athleticism on the offensive line. Erving is the most athletic OT of this year's class.

 

[Finito]

Count me in on the Ebron bandwagon. Man a great TE in this offense yikes.
I think you take the O- lineman on the board in round 2 even if you sign as guy like Albert.

Andre Williams at 3 would be a huge steal