My mock - your thoughts?

[overseascardfan]

Cp only has 1 or 2 years left on his contract and probably on his career. The kid could learn for one and possibly 2. I like the odds of 2 years learning on the job before running the show. We need to take a qb this year and if its a real late pick maybe take 1 next yr too

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Why not just wait until next year? Guys like Mariota, Winston, & Petty headline the QB class. I just don't like the idea of taking a QB at #20 if he won't see the field for 2 years. If AJ McCarron is available in Round 3 then ARZ should be all over him, he would be the perfect pick in Round 3 after nabbing a pass rusher & either a OT or CB.

 

[pacman]

I don't think he posted it for you to attack it, more to discuss it.

Anyway, sundevil I like mettenberger if he is there in the second. If we can land a blue chip for the future that late u have to pull the trigger. I prefer a rodgers situation of learning before you play anyway to raise our odds of having a good pick vs flinging outa deer in the headlights as qb and crossing fingers. If the kid is as good as people say id do that right away.

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I'm not attacking what he said, I'm just telling it like it is. Sorry if I'm not complementing him and saying how great he is.

Also lol are you calling Mettenberger a blue-chip prospect? Come on that's just silly. Mettenberger's biggest fan shouldn't even think he is a blue-chip prospect. I don't see why the majority of people on here like him. Not sure if any of you watch him or are just fixated on the stats. He has terrible pocket presence and will not survive behind our O-line.

 

[Chopper0080]

How can you say Wilson has a better arm?

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Seriously, because I watch football. Because Wilson has a cannon of an arm, and Manziel throws up jump ball floaters. Wilson drives the ball while Manziel floats the ball. That clip shows that Manziel has a NFL caliber arm, not elite arm strength. Also, that ball gets picked in the pros.

 

[pacman]

Seriously, because I watch football. Because Wilson has a cannon of an arm, and Manziel throws up jump ball floaters. Wilson drives the ball while Manziel floats the ball. That clip shows that Manziel has a NFL caliber arm, not elite arm strength. Also, that ball gets picked in the pros.

Well he threw that off of his backfoot. There aren't many QBs that can throw the ball further than that on their backfoot. It was a beyond stupid throw but it displays his arm strength. Also not sure if you watched the game tonight or not but he threw a ball from a clean pocket that was up in the air for 50 yards. There really should be no one doubting the strength of his arm. Dude can sling it.

 

[Cardiac]

I'm not attacking what he said, I'm just telling it like it is. Sorry if I'm not complementing him and saying how great he is.

Also lol are you calling Mettenberger a blue-chip prospect? Come on that's just silly. Mettenberger's biggest fan shouldn't even think he is a blue-chip prospect. I don't see why the majority of people on here like him. Not sure if any of you watch him or are just fixated on the stats. He has terrible pocket presence and will not survive behind our O-line.

There is a way to disagree without attacking someone or coming across like a jerk. IMO you failed on both. Not saying you are wrong or right in your assessment but just on how you delivered your point.

 

[Chopper0080]

Well he threw that off of his backfoot. There aren't many QBs that can throw the ball further than that on their backfoot. It was a beyond stupid throw but it displays his arm strength. Also not sure if you watched the game tonight or not but he threw a ball from a clean pocket that was up in the air for 50 yards. There really should be no one doubting the strength of his arm. Dude can sling it.

Ryan Fitzpatrick can make that throw and throw the ball 50 yards. Manziel has a pro arm, as I said, but it is not a plus arm like Luck, Newton, Cutler, Stafford, Rodgers, Wilson or Kaepernick.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Johnny F will be off the board early IMO.

 

[Mitch]

Ryan Fitzpatrick can make that throw and throw the ball 50 yards. Manziel has a pro arm, as I said, but it is not a plus arm like Luck, Newton, Cutler, Stafford, Rodgers, Wilson or Kaepernick.

Yes, perhaps, but it's Manziel's quick release that makes him special. Very Joe Namath-like. Zing and it's out of there. In today's NFL, the quick release is ideal.

 

[Chopper0080]

Johnny F will be off the board early IMO.

Agreed.

 

[BigRedRage]

Why not just wait until next year? Guys like Mariota, Winston, & Petty headline the QB class. I just don't like the idea of taking a QB at #20 if he won't see the field for 2 years. If AJ McCarron is available in Round 3 then ARZ should be all over him, he would be the perfect pick in Round 3 after nabbing a pass rusher & either a OT or CB.

Talking about taking him in the second, not at #20.

We likely will be picking 20 or worse next year too.

I'm not attacking what he said, I'm just telling it like it is. Sorry if I'm not complementing him and saying how great he is.

Also lol are you calling Mettenberger a blue-chip prospect? Come on that's just silly. Mettenberger's biggest fan shouldn't even think he is a blue-chip prospect. I don't see why the majority of people on here like him. Not sure if any of you watch him or are just fixated on the stats. He has terrible pocket presence and will not survive behind our O-line.

I dont watch a ton of college but I saw he had the third best passer rating in the entire NCAA, thats blue chip stats in my opinion.

Its not about complementing, its about not being condensending and *******. If you dont see it than it is what it is.

 

[TigToad]

IMO, Methenberger's injury is the only way that we might have a shot at him in the second round. And even with the injury I doubt that he'll be available then. There's a possibility that we go after him in the first round.

I'd be good with him in the first round. I think he's a top 10 talent who has to miss a year. Well, Carson has 1-2 more really good years in him. Let him spend a year learning the offense and another year backing up and getting some snaps and practice. Its a perfect fit, we need a QBOF but we can wait a year or two for him and we can get a top 10 QB for a lesser price.

We even have our first from last year returning from injury, so we still get to add a first round talent to the roster.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

Very likely that if he falls to us we take him. As Keim showed in last years draft, he loves athleticism on the offensive line. Erving is the most athletic OT of this year's class.

If the Dolphins dont land a LT in Free agency I think Cameron Erving

will be a Dolphin at 19. I wonder if the Auburn kid and Cedric Oguebuhi

comes out? That may be the key for us in the first round. Mathews

Lewan and Erving will likely be gone and Cyrus may fall off the map

after getting abused last night

 

[juza76]

If the Dolphins dont land a LT in Free agency I think Cameron Erving

will be a Dolphin at 19. I wonder if the Auburn kid and Cedric Oguebuhi

comes out? That may be the key for us in the first round. Mathews

Lewan and Erving will likely be gone and Cyrus may fall off the map

after getting abused last night

The dude from auburn?
I think is considered best OT prospect with matthews
I think his name is Robinson

 

[sundevil04]

Greg Robinson (Auburn) is a BEAST! He puts dudes on roller skates like I've never seen and he was only 20 year old this season. The one knock on him is that Auburn's offense throws so little and when they do its a quick drop so there isnt much tape on him really having to kick slide with a speed rusher. The few times I saw him have the opportunity to do it on film he did it well. As a run blocker, I've honestly never seen a tackle like him...especially at 20 years old.

 

[Mitch]

Greg Robinson (Auburn) is a BEAST! He puts dudes on roller skates like I've never seen and he was only 20 year old this season. The one knock on him is that Auburn's offense throws so little and when they do its a quick drop so there isnt much tape on him really having to kick slide with a speed rusher. The few times I saw him have the opportunity to do it on film he did it well. As a run blocker, I've honestly never seen a tackle like him...especially at 20 years old.

Good stuff. He's got the most upside, imho, of any LT in the draft.

He is raw, however. Still learning technique.

Nevertheless, he will likely be long gone by pick #20.

 

[Ohcrap75]

If we go another direction in the first, OT zach Martin is a guy I think we should take a look at. He's not an elite athlete and only 6'4" but he has great feet and technique in both phases. He has great awareness and experience. I've seen quite a few tapes of him and always come away impressed. Anybody else have thoughts on him?

 

[Twist18]

Good stuff. He's got the most upside, imho, of any LT in the draft.

He is raw, however. Still learning technique.

Nevertheless, he will likely be long gone by pick #20.

Mitch, what's your thoughts on Erving?

 

[sundevil04]

If we go another direction in the first, OT zach Martin is a guy I think we should take a look at. He's not an elite athlete and only 6'4" but he has great feet and technique in both phases. He has great awareness and experience. I've seen quite a few tapes of him and always come away impressed. Anybody else have thoughts on him?

True. If he was 2 inches taller and had slightly longer arms, he'd be a top 10 pick.

 

[Gaddabout]

- I love going TE at No. 20. I think that's good value there, I think it's a team need, and I think there are three really good ones. I would prefer to avoid ASJ because I think his disappears at the wrong times and doesn't seem to enjoy contact at the LOS, but he's got ridiculous athletic talent for the position.

- If you're going to draft a 4.5 40-type back, I think Damien Williams from Oklahoma is a smarter choice. Williams is really in the 4.6 category. I wouldn't take him until the 5th round, at least.

- Mettenberger has had some serious off-the-field issues you never want to see from a QB. We're not talking drugs. We're talking sex/power issues. It was enough to get him 24 months probation and booted from Georgia. In general, he's a type of guy who has relied on his body to take hits, waiting for his receivers to get open. He's taken a LOT of hits. Very tough, very hard worker, but I would be stunned if he ever lasted a full season as a starter in the NFL. That type of stuff works against Kent State and Furman. You don't get up from those hips-open, free-range hits in the NFL.

- I think Jimmy Garoppolo is going to be the sleeper QB pick in this draft. I don't know that he does any one thing that makes scouts drool, but there really aren't any gaping holes in his game. Above-average arm, very good foot speed, intelligent, skilled, just a seriously well-rounded QB. The only thing holding him back is level of competition and being just on the short side of elite on any single metric. I think the parts add up to so much more than some of these guys who fit a pre-fab proto-type. I'll just say it ... he's my favorite QB in the draft. I hope he's there in 2nd round and I hope the Cards front office sees what I see.

 

[oaken1]

I prefer Murray over Mettenberger...smarter...better presence,...just a weaker arm

 

[Bodha]

A lot of posters will likely dislike that I don't have a pass rusher in my mock, keep in mind that we will be adding two pass rushing OLB's to the 2013 roster by getting Acho and Okafor back from the IR.

1.) E.Ebron/J.Amaro/A.Sefarius-jenkins (TE) or J.Gilbert/D.Denard (CB).

A top tier TE would open this offense up immensely and BA makes no secret about how much he loves to use the TE. With our big WR's in Fitz and Floyd, if we could force the D to pay attention to a big time threat at TE, we would have options galore.

A top CB opposite PP21 with Honey Badger in the slot would allow our front 7 to pin their ears back and go. As good as the Defense is, the DB's need some help.

2.) Z.Mettenberger - LSU (QB) - 6'5" 230lbs - Top 15 talent and one of the top rated passers in the country with 10.4 Yards per attempt, and did it against SEC defenses. Likley to slide in the draft due to torn ACL. Sit him behind Palmer for a year or two.

3.) A.Williams - Boston College (RB) - 6'0" 227lbs Leading rusher in the nation, he's a mack truck with feet. Perfect compliment to A.Ellington

4.) C.Loston - LSU (SS) - 6'2" 210lbs good size/speed (4.50/40), coverage skills and LOVES to hit.

5.) J.Huff - Oregon (WR) - 5'11" 205 lbs - Over 18 Yards/reception, runs a 4.4 40 and is use to playing the slot. Deep threat.

6.) S.Heanderson - Miami (OT) - Take a flyer on an uber talented 6'7" 345LB. tackle that needs to get his head on straight to stay on a roster

Yes to Albert


1st round - No to TE. Those can be found later with the same value as 1st rounders. Ebron is great, but we have huge needs.

I can see CB. Although this team loves Powers for some reason. Dennard or Gilbert would both be solid.


2nd round - No to Mettenberger. My rule is, if hes not a franchise QB, why pick them at all? No point in drafting a backup. Hes not a franchise QB. Not at all. Good college QB, but our goal is to win a SB. Wont happen with him.


Also, 2nd round Id LOVE Bucannon out of Washinton. Safety.We need one of those badly (to replace Bell). Loston is a good pick, but he wont be available where you have him slotted.

The biggest problem with this draft is you have wishful thinking syndrome. You think great players will be there deep. Williams is a GREAT RB. Maybe one of the first ones taken. Seantrel will be taken early, just because LT is such a heavily needed position in the NFL. Otherwise, your players themselves are good choices.



Good mock, thx for sharing

 

[sundevil04]

Yes to Albert


1st round - No to TE. Those can be found later with the same value as 1st rounders. Ebron is great, but we have huge needs.

I can see CB. Although this team loves Powers for some reason. Dennard or Gilbert would both be solid.


2nd round - No to Mettenberger. My rule is, if hes not a franchise QB, why pick them at all? No point in drafting a backup. Hes not a franchise QB. Not at all. Good college QB, but our goal is to win a SB. Wont happen with him.


Also, 2nd round Id LOVE Bucannon out of Washinton. Safety.We need one of those badly (to replace Bell). Loston is a good pick, but he wont be available where you have him slotted.

The biggest problem with this draft is you have wishful thinking syndrome. You think great players will be there deep. Williams is a GREAT RB. Maybe one of the first ones taken. Seantrel will be taken early, just because LT is such a heavily needed position in the NFL. Otherwise, your players themselves are good choices.



Good mock, thx for sharing

You're not very familiar with the players in this draft are you.

 

[Bodha]

You're not very familiar with the players in this draft are you.

Rather than talk down to me, you could have instead responded with why you disagree with my thoughts