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Starters: Nash - Bell - Stat - Marion - Luol Deng
Bench : Acie Law - Barbosa - KT - Marion/Stat - Matt Barnes

What we need:
  • Memphis: #4 pick
  • Chicago: #9 + Deng
  • 1st round: Acie Law
  • Free Agent: Matt Barnes
What we have:
  • ATL '08
  • #24 #29
  • Banks, Diaw, Rose, Jones, Piatowski, KT
What I hope:
  • Iavaroni sees more potential in a diaw/banks combo than #4 in the draft
  • Memphis wants young playmakers already in the league to compliment Gasol
  • Bulls want Yi enough to trade Deng
What I suggest:
  • Banks + Diaw +ATL '08 to Memphis for #4
  • #4 + #24 + #29 + Jones/Piatowski/Rose/Suns Cheerleaders/Kitchen sink to Chicago for Deng + #9
  • (possibly switch around #24 and ATL '08 if needed)
What we get:
  • Deng from Chicago, Acie Law from #9 draft, Matt Barnes free agent
  • A deeper bench, a smaller cap tax, a winning team, all while keeping our trio.
Weak spots:
  • Getting the #4. It's been said Iavaroni sees potential in Diaw with memphis. I believe Memphis has enough cap room and need for playmakers to consider it. It seems Gasol is wary of fresh players not developing into anything, banks and diaw would bring guaranteed playmaking to gasol. While banks isnt worth anything to the Suns, there isnt a doubt he has talent, athleticism, speed, and would be a starter on any of the sub-.500 teams out there. Would this be enough to get memphis to consider giving up #4? A gamble on a draft rookie, or two seasoned teammates, one being a the best playmaking forward in the game?
  • Getting Deng. Chicago desparately needs scoring in the paint. Scouts are saying they desparately want Yi. Yi will go #4 or #5. If we can tempt chicago with the #4 hopefully they will budge and give deng up. While deng is a great value to chicago, he is one of their many mid range shooters they already have plenty of. Is deng more valuable than I think to Chicago?
Granted its a pipedream but that would give us everything we need without sacrificing anything we want to keep. Am I crazy?
 

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Keep wishing. It is good to have dreams.......and yes, you are crazy.

Welcome to ASFN though. Glad to have you.
 
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Come on now, I fully explained myself. Back those crazy comments up with some explanation!
 

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ok:

1.) Ivaroni may see potential in Diaw.....but at the same time he MUST see MORE potential in a #4 pick, for 1/3 the price. simple. adding Banks is just a dump from the suns, and this trade eats every iota of cap space Memphis has. the RUIN their offseason for a "chance" at diaw being a "decent" player. any REAL GM would be fired for a trade like this.

2.) Rose is a FA. Pike has no value. so even if the first trade were done

Deng>>>>>>>>>>>>>>#4
#9>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>#24+#29


oh, and this should probably be moved to the trade board
 
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I don't like Matt Barnes, but he'd be effective here. I wonder how much he is going to be asking for this offseason.
 
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Am I crazy?

No, but you're drinking the kool-aid that even the Suns are not selling.

Other teams are unlikely to gamble on players with a perceived negative value in the market place like Banks and Diaw. IMO, the Suns would probably have to give up at least a couple first round picks (including the Atlanta pick) plus a player like LB to get to #4. I'm not saying the Suns can't get to #4 or within the top ten range but they would likely pay a heavy price.

It is an interesting idea to think what the Suns could get if they packaged #24, #29 and the Atlanta pick next year. I think the Suns would do it for the right player. However, that Atlanta pick could still be quite valuable if the Hawks do a bad draft.

I guess I think you are wanting the Suns to have the pie filling and leave the other team with the crust. It has happened but not too often.
 

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ok:

1.) Ivaroni may see potential in Diaw.....but at the same time he MUST see MORE potential in a #4 pick, for 1/3 the price. simple. adding Banks is just a dump from the suns, and this trade eats every iota of cap space Memphis has. the RUIN their offseason for a "chance" at diaw being a "decent" player. any REAL GM would be fired for a trade like this.

2.) Rose is a FA. Pike has no value. so even if the first trade were done

Deng>>>>>>>>>>>>>>#4
#9>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>#24+#29


oh, and this should probably be moved to the trade board

this is a good summation of your insanity.

also, i don't think the bulls want to give up deng for the 4th pick. i think they are really enamored with him.
 

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There are several problems most trade proposals run into. This is not to say something won't happen, but it is unlikely to look much like what has been discussed.

1. Diaw and Barbosa are base year contract guys. This means they can only be traded to teams with cap space due to the salary matching problem (the Suns only get credit for half of their salary in a trade).

2. Buying cap space is enormously expensive this year. There are four teams with significan cap space and a couple of others with so little they are likely to use their MLE rather than their space. This means that every cap driven trade has to be much more exciting than signing an unrestricted free agent.

3. Would you sign Diaw for $45 million if he was unrestricted? If not, then anything less than a lottery pick is not likely to change the dynamic. The combination of base year contract and being paid well above his current market value is too much to overcome.

4. Banks has negitive value right now. I keep hoping he will do well at summer league and training camp so the Suns can shop him, but the current cost of getting rid of him for cap space is going to be at least the Atlanta pick.

The current situation is sufficating, but I am not being blindly negative in bringing this stuff up. There may be opportuntieis to do things we have not considered, but they can't just ignore reality.
 
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i dont know if/why chicago wants to give up deng. matt barnes is doable, but i think he might try to get back in at golden state. he was really enjoying his time there. the only big move i see the suns making is going for camby, not even sure that will happen though
 
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You guys are way more constructive than ESPN's boards. The suns fans are all 12 years old trolls there :)

I know we are going to keep our core trio, I just really want to redo our bench/depth. Our roster is very disappointing with some of the silly contracts we have handed out in recent years. Diaw and Banks have talent, but nothing they have done constituted such high contracts on an already high salary team.
 

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my wishlist:
1. for diaw to be more aggressive,
2. for banks to have more confidence,
3. for coach D to have a half court set plays and to play his bench
 

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my wishlist:
1. for diaw to be more aggressive,
2. for banks to have more confidence,
3. for coach D to have a half court set plays and to play his bench

Add to that that we get Rasheed and Jarret Jack for Marion, trade JR for Posey, I'm all with you.:D
 

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Deng is a pipe dream at this point, he is vital to Bull's future.
 

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Great enthusiasm but your suggestions are just not realistic. If you look at your suggestions from the other teams point of view why would they pull the trigger on those trades?
 

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Jermaine O'Neal
# 5 pick (Corey Brewer or Jeff Green)
Theo Ratliff
Travis Deiner or Steve Blake

Assets: Marion, Diaw, KT, Banks
 

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It is easy to create wish lists which usually involve other teams giving up great players for less proven talent. It is not terribly realistic.

For me an off season wish list is more at addressing needs without giving up any of the top seven guys (I view Jones as expendible and priced well enough he can be moved).

1. Get some really athletic bench players who play defense and can shoot from the outside.

2. I'd like to add an athletic wing who is a major offensive threat and is physical enough to attack the basket.

3. I'd like a physical low post defender who can keep guys out of the paint and rebound.

4. I'd like someone with enough ball handling skills that Leandro can play off the ball exclusively but is not just a ball handler.


Let me give some examples of guys I'm looking at in the draft and why:

Stuckey - Very fast offensive oriented combo in the Wade/Gordon mode who drives well and has a great pull up. Averaged 5.5 assists per game dispite also scoring 24.6 ppg. He ranked 10th in overall athleticism including 4th in speed test and a very respectable 35" in max verticle. At 6'5" with a standing reach of 8'4" and 205, he's not as small as early profiles suggested. The only reason he not given more attention is that he played at a very small school in Eastern Washington.

He's scheduled to be worked out by the Suns on the 18th

Byars - Initally I was looking at Byars as a #29 pick sleeper, but he has been worked out by a lot of teams so this Vanderbilt grad is not really a sleeper. The reason is that he had a very good senior year and was runnerup for SEC player of the year. He's a good sized SG/SF at 6'7" 225, is a very good shooter (only fair from three this year but very good a year ago). He has a very good reputation as a tough defender. No one thinks he'll be a star, but few doubt he'll be a solid contributor.

Byars did not participate in the Orlando program so his physical stats are not easily available. In any case, he played well in the tournament and has the basketball smarts to fit into the Suns style. In any case, he's been getting a lot of early interest in terms of teams working him out.

Taurean Green - As the starting PG on the champion Florida team, Green is experienced in running an up tempo offense and averaged 13.3 ppg on 44.4% shooting and 40.4% for three. He's a solid playmaker and a decent defender, though at 6'1" 173 pounds a bit small to be exceptional.

There are a few other second round PG's, but TG has the experience and style to be a possible fit.

Chris Richard - He's my 59th pick special. At 6' 8.75" and 9' 2.25" standing reach and 252 pounds, Richard is a classic banger type player, but he has a 35th athleticism rank and is faster than Crittendon in the 3/4 court sprint.

If Richard had ANY offensive skills he'd be in the first round as his 6.2 ppg was almost all on putbacks. He had only 3.7 rpg in 18.4 minutes, but this was on a great rebounding team (Horford, Noah, and Brewer were all outstanding rebounders).

He has been getting some workouts, so it is not certain he'll fall to #59 but he's the kind of energy guy who might be useful for very shot minutes against very physical teams.

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I am not yet ready to add Koponen to my list untill I find out more about his ability to play defense. He has nice size at 6'5" 195, but he's only average in terms of athleticism.

Sean Williams is one of the biggest question marks in the draft. The discrepancy between his natural ability and his recorded attitude is worse than anyone else. At 6'11" 230 and incredible athleticism, he's getting a lot more workouts than most other players. If he drops to #29 the Suns might be tempted, but I'd guess they'll pass.

Splitter is a another huge question mark due to his contract buyout and inability to achieve the expected stardom with Tau. On the plus side, he's considered a very good defender at the European level, has some low post moves, and runs the floor when given a chance (he was on the Brazilian team a few years ago and was very impressive). But his former outside shooting is non-existant and he's not a shot blocker.

Marcus Williams is a guy with a lot of talent and major attitude issues. He's a guy who might be worth taking at #29 but is too uncertain for #24.

Reyshawn Terry is a super athlete with long arms and great hops who has a reputation for being a very good defender. He's also considered unfocused and lacking in intensity. An erratic performance in Orlando has dampened his stock, but He's getting a lot attention and viewed a buble player.

Demetris Nichols is billed as three point shooting specialist (41.7% last season). He's not very tall (under 6'8" in shoes, but has long arms with an 8' 9" standing reach. He's getting a fair amount of attention with several workouts already, but his defense is a complete unknown since he played only zone in college. His 16 bench press reps is pretty good but he's not an exceptionally fast player.

Alando Tucker is one of the guys the Suns have looked at. By all accounts he's not likely to be more than a role player in the NBA, but he's a safe pick at #29 who is not likely to be a bust.
 

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Great stuff as always George. I didn't know much about Byars, so I went to look him up, these quotes are both from his NBADraft.net profile

Excellent ball handler who has played point guard several times during his collegiate career

Needs to work on taking care of the ball better as he can get careless

So somehow he's an excellent ball handler who doesn't handle the ball well.

EDIT: Also, why is Sean Williams "leadership" rated a 5? He was kicked off the damned team, how about a zero?
 
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Both Byars and Stuckey have mixed reviews on what their strengths and weaknesses are. Obvioulsy this stuff is pretty subjective and in many cases based on watching just one or two games at most.

I see almost no chance of the Suns taking Sean Williams. It is worth noting that Kerr's last years were with the Spurs which is a team that picks high character guys for Pop who has a military background.
 

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What sucks is the Suns had Luol Deng

I know. He would be a good piece for this team. The Suns might be a in a different place had we not traded away our draft. We would at least have 1 young talent in here developing.
 
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