Mythbusters 2019 - Come get me bro

[Dr. Jones]

It's my turn for a thread...... A real thread. Devoid of perceptions. Full of facts. Emotional arguments need not apply. Turn your weak opinion based arguments towards your momma.

Weak Big 12:

• 2 of 10 teams finished 2019 in the top 9. AP & Coaches poll.
• 3 of 10 teams in the top 22. AP & Coaches
• 4 of 14 games against Top 22 ranked teams. 2-2 in those games.

Bad game against Bama

• responsible for 89% of teams total offense.
• 308 passing. Over 100 rushing. No turnovers.
• 3 drives of 10+ plays.
• 3 total TD's

Kyler is short! Has T-Rex Arms!

• 5 batted balls on over 377 passes.
• Numerous QB's say it is a false flag and that all QB's shuffle to passing lanes rather than pass over lineman.
• Best college QB Rating in the history of college Football @199.2

Kyler will get hurt!

• Played in every game
• No major injury history to speak of.
• Barely takes hits in any game.

Kyler just sucks! Or JR is better! Or, I like JR and think he needs more chances!

• Kyler wins Heisman.
• Kyler has best QB Rating in country.
• Kyler is top passer and runner in PFF prospect rankings.
• Rosen has no stat that places him within the top 30 of his position.
• Rosen had clean pockets 40% of the time.
• Rosen's comp % is strangely similar to his college numbers.
• Rosen's numbers actually make him look worse than even his detractors think. Take your opinion, think of something 50 to 75% worse.... that's rosens 2018 results. @Chris_Sanders can explain.

Come get me Bro

 

[Dr. Jones]

You can't handle the truth....

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[BigRedRage]

We're not drafting him though

 

[TJ]

One year as a starter

Lowest Wonderlic score in the QB class

2nd percentile for height

Comparable stats to Tim Tebow in college

Had to be convinced by outside influences to play football instead of baseball

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But, hey. Who cares about risk with the #1 pick?

 

[Krangodnzr]

But....But....his dad....but...but...he's short....but...but...he's not a leader....but...but....

No criticisms of his actual play. This is classic overthink the prospect. If you turn on tape of every player from last year, Kyler Murray was the best player in college football. Best passer. Best runner. Best player.

 

[Shane]

It's my turn for a thread...... A real thread. Devoid of perceptions. Full of facts. Emotional arguments need not apply. Turn your weak opinion based arguments towards your momma.

Weak Big 12:

• 2 of 10 teams finished 2019 in the top 9. AP & Coaches poll.
• 3 of 10 teams in the top 22. AP & Coaches
• 4 of 14 games against Top 22 ranked teams. 2-2 in those games.

Bad game against Bama

• responsible for 89% of teams total offense.
• 308 passing. Over 100 rushing. No turnovers.
• 3 drives of 10+ plays.
• 3 total TD's

Kyler is short! Has T-Rex Arms!

• 5 batted balls on over 377 passes.
• Numerous QB's say it is a false flag and that all QB's shuffle to passing lanes rather than pass over lineman.
• Best college QB Rating in the history of college Football @199.2

Kyler will get hurt!

• Played in every game
• No major injury history to speak of.
• Barely takes hits in any game.

Kyler just sucks! Or JR is better! Or, I like JR and think he needs more chances!

• Kyler wins Heisman.
• Kyler has best QB Rating in country.
• Kyler is top passer and runner in PFF prospect rankings.
• Rosen has no stat that places him within the top 30 of his position.
• Rosen had clean pockets 40% of the time.
• Rosen's comp % is strangely similar to his college numbers.
• Rosen's numbers actually make him look worse than even his detractors think. Take your opinion, think of something 50 to 75% worse.... that's rosens 2018 results. @Chris_Sanders can explain.

Come get me Bro

Is any of this new and not been discussed as nauseum???? Ummm no.... YAWN

 

[RugbyMuffin]

We're not drafting him though

 

[MadCardDisease]

It's my turn for a thread...... A real thread. Devoid of perceptions. Full of facts. Emotional arguments need not apply. Turn your weak opinion based arguments towards your momma.

Weak DEFENSE in the Big 12:

• They all sucked at defense

Bad game against Bama

• Underthrown passes
• Tackled by a pinky
• Most of his rushing yards came at the end of the Half when Bama was in prevent
• Batted pass
• Most of his success came when Bama was up by multiple TDs

Kyler is short! Has T-Rex Arms!

• He would be shortest QB in the NFL

Kyler will get hurt!

• Played only one season
• Played against Crappy Big 12 defenses who never got close to Murray
• Will get hit a ton more in the NFL

Kyler just sucks! Or JR is better! Or, I like JR and think he needs more chances!

• @Chris_Sanders can't explain.

Come get me Bro

 

[dscher]

But....But....his dad....but...but...he's short....but...but...he's not a leader....but...but....

No criticisms of his actual play. This is classic overthink the prospect. If you turn on tape of every player from last year, Kyler Murray was the best player in college football. Best passer. Best runner. Best player.

It keeps getting called out too. To no avail. Odd.

 

[Krangodnzr]

One year as a starter

Lowest Wonderlic score in the QB class

2nd percentile for height

Comparable stats to Tim Tebow in college

Had to be convinced by outside influences to play football instead of baseball

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But, hey. Who cares about risk with the #1 pick?

Tim Tebow threw TWENTY LESS TDs and 1200 less yards. Tebow also ran more and for a whole lot less yards per carry.

Dan Marino scored lower on his Wonderlic. Ben Roethlisberger scored a 23. Ryan Fitzpatrick scored a 45 and he makes the most idiotic decisions on the football field routinely.

Yes he's short. So is Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, Kurt Warner. This only matter if you believe the ridiculous claim that QBs see over the line, which isn't true.

If I were guaranteed $14 million to play baseball, I would want to know I had a good shot at getting a 1st round grade too. He leaves football if he flames out, so this concern doesn't matter anyway. No concern.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Yes he's short. So is Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, Kurt Warner. This only matter if you believe the ridiculous claim that QBs see over the line, which isn't true.

Kurt Warner? Isn't he 6'2" tall?

 

[Dr. Jones]

One year as a starter

Lowest Wonderlic score in the QB class

2nd percentile for height

Comparable stats to Tim Tebow in college

Had to be convinced by outside influences to play football instead of baseball

========

But, hey. Who cares about risk with the #1 pick?

One year.... Many prospects with same issue. Like Bosa and QW for that matter.

Lowest wonderlic. LMAO
2nd Percentile - True. Still a joke of an argument when you look at his production.
Tebow. LMAO
Football or Baseball - WTF man. total perception here.

 

[Dr. Jones]

INSERT All of MadCard's replies

Ugh....

 

[Krangodnzr]

Kurt Warner? Isn't he 6'2" tall?

Warner himself says he's 6'1.5. He said it on 98.7.

Warner said QBs don't see over the line, they see around them.

I literally cringe every time I see this ridiculous argument. It's just no true.

 

[BigRedRage]

Tim Tebow threw TWENTY LESS TDs and 1200 less yards. Tebow also ran more and for a whole lot less yards per carry.

Dan Marino scored lower on his Wonderlic. Ben Roethlisberger scored a 23. Ryan Fitzpatrick scored a 45 and he makes the most idiotic decisions on the football field routinely.

Yes he's short. So is Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, Kurt Warner. This only matter if you believe the ridiculous claim that QBs see over the line, which isn't true.

If I were guaranteed $14 million to play baseball, I would want to know I had a good shot at getting a 1st round grade too. He leaves football if he flames out, so this concern doesn't matter anyway. No concern.

Kurt Warner is 6'2...

 

[BigRedRage]

Ugh....

did you expect your murray thread to be any different than all the other murray threads?

 

[Dr. Jones]

Is any of this new and not been discussed as nauseum???? Ummm no.... YAWN

All of these lazy ass arguments deserved a bit of curation. .

This thread: Where emotion goes to die. And perception is wrestled into submission with cold hard facts.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I got your 98th percentile right here...

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[BW52]

It's my turn for a thread...... A real thread. Devoid of perceptions. Full of facts. Emotional arguments need not apply. Turn your weak opinion based arguments towards your momma.

Weak Big 12:

• 2 of 10 teams finished 2019 in the top 9. AP & Coaches poll.
• 3 of 10 teams in the top 22. AP & Coaches
• 4 of 14 games against Top 22 ranked teams. 2-2 in those games.

Bad game against Bama

• responsible for 89% of teams total offense.
• 308 passing. Over 100 rushing. No turnovers.
• 3 drives of 10+ plays.
• 3 total TD's

Kyler is short! Has T-Rex Arms!

• 5 batted balls on over 377 passes.
• Numerous QB's say it is a false flag and that all QB's shuffle to passing lanes rather than pass over lineman.
• Best college QB Rating in the history of college Football @199.2

Kyler will get hurt!

• Played in every game
• No major injury history to speak of.
• Barely takes hits in any game.

Kyler just sucks! Or JR is better! Or, I like JR and think he needs more chances!

• Kyler wins Heisman.
• Kyler has best QB Rating in country.
• Kyler is top passer and runner in PFF prospect rankings.
• Rosen has no stat that places him within the top 30 of his position.
• Rosen had clean pockets 40% of the time.
• Rosen's comp % is strangely similar to his college numbers.
• Rosen's numbers actually make him look worse than even his detractors think. Take your opinion, think of something 50 to 75% worse.... that's rosens 2018 results. @Chris_Sanders can explain.

Come get me Bro

Tell us about those dominating Big 12 defenses where the highest rated conference defensive player is rated late Rd 3/early rd 4
College success means absolutely nada in the NFL.Heisman means jackshit in the NFL.
He isn`t going to be avoiding guys who will be HS football Coaches or insurance salesmen this fall.
Short small untested and never faced adversity with a team that wasn`t more talented than everyone else.
Tell how he can read defenses and go through progressions.
Tell us how he can do something more than mostly one read quick outs.
Show me he can throw into tight windows without his WRs having 5 yards cushions and defenders chasing him.

 

[Dr. Jones]

And here is what average looks like.

This guy wishes he was more like Andy Dalton & Case Keenum.

Air Raid! FTW!

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[Krangodnzr]

Kurt Warner is 6'2...

Not according to Kurt Warner on 98.7

 

[MadCardDisease]

I got your 98th percentile right here...

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Wow. He was a great College QB. Doesn't mean squat in the NFL.

 

[TJ]

One year.... Many prospects with same issue. Like Bosa and QW for that matter.

Lowest wonderlic. LMAO
2nd Percentile - True. Still a joke of an argument when you look at his production.
Tebow. LMAO
Football or Baseball - WTF man. total perception here.

These are the facts, Jack. You wanted an emotionless argument, I just presented it and you responded with a bunch of LMAOs and "jokes." Who's emotional here?

The fact that you're okay with the many red flags that come with Murray is your business. I've seen this story over and over again in the NFL. You fall in love with collegiate stats, athleticism, and potential, but then you get a Jamarcus Russell, a Matt Leinart, or a Tim Tebow, and your franchise is set back 5-10 years. Compound that with the fact that another QB was drafted top-10 last season and it makes it even more of a head scratcher.

 

[BigRedRage]

Not according to Kurt Warner on 98.7

according to all of the interenet.

But okay, Kurt warner is 6'1.5

So you should compare him to Murray now? because he is several inches taller?> How the hell did kurt end up in the short QB disussions?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

If anything it is a pretty thread with great pictures