N.Y. dealing Anthony Randolph

[leclerc]

I hope the FO makes a push to get him. We need inside talent and we have time to develop him. We should bring back the bigman ass coach that left for the head coaching job in Memphis.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Randolph does not have an outside game this is why he doesn't see any minutes. Plus MikeD never wanted to develop players this is why he doesn't get any minutes. I think Randolph might be able to play the role of Lou this year and possible get more time to develope. I think it would be worth the Magic #1 for sure.

Now THAT makes sense. Randolph can't shoot. Players that DAntoni thinks cant shoot don't see the light of day, and don't get drafted (read Rondo here). If Randolph has no midrange shot, he will be quite limited as an nba player. The good news is that it can be developed.

Hmmm. With Gortat, Lopez, Siler, and Warrick, don't we have enough big players with no mid-range game to speak of?

 

[AzStevenCal]

Now THAT makes sense. Randolph can't shoot. Players that DAntoni thinks cant shoot don't see the light of day, and don't get drafted (read Rondo here). If Randolph has no midrange shot, he will be quite limited as an nba player. The good news is that it can be developed.

Hmmm. With Gortat, Lopez, Siler, and Warrick, don't we have enough big players with no mid-range game to speak of?

Actually, they have no inside game to speak of. Fortunately, they are all working to extend their range. By this time next year they hope to be equally inept from mid-range.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

I hope the FO makes a push to get him. We need inside talent and we have time to develop him. We should bring back the bigman ass coach that left for the head coaching job in Memphis.

I presume you are talking about former Memphis HC Marc Iavaroni. I'm not that convinced Ivaronni would better the Suns big men. Perhaps Suns assistant coach Bill Cartwright can show the Suns big men how to use elbows.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Randolph does not have an outside game this is why he doesn't see any minutes. Plus MikeD never wanted to develop players this is why he doesn't get any minutes. I think Randolph might be able to play the role of Lou this year and possible get more time to develope. I think it would be worth the Magic #1 for sure.

I think it's worth the Magic pick also but in a lot of ways we just traded the equivalent of this guy (Earl Clark). Earl was a better defender and Randolph is a better ballhandler but they have similar problems. Neither one has the ability to tell a good shot from a horrible one. Randolph likes fade-away shots while heavily guarded and seems to search out shots based on degree of difficulty.

Also, his greatest weapon disappears once he's facing an opponent that realizes he's left-handed and can ONLY use his left. Once they key on that, he's very easy to shut down. Still, he has height, length and can handle the ball. Feed him, exercise him, teach him and perhaps you have an exciting prospect but he's probably at least 2 or 3 years from helping any team and then only if he's willing to work.

Steve

 

[BC867]

I presume you are talking about former Memphis HC Marc Iavaroni. I'm not that convinced Ivaronni would better the Suns big men. Perhaps Suns assistant coach Bill Cartwright can show the Suns big men how to use elbows.

Bill Cartwright was a 7'1" - 245 lb. Center. Mark Iavaroni was a 6'8" - 210 lb. Forward.

Perhaps that is why Iavaroni was a disappointment working with the Suns big men, despite his previous reputation at Pete Newell's Big Man Camp.

Apparently he rode the coattails of Pete Newell's success.

When Cartwright has some more time in with Gortat, for example, we'll see how good he is getting Centers to finish strong at the basket, etc.

 

[JS22]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TJARASNxEo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgyybTWnyaY

Randolph is only 21 and definitely worth the Suns 1st round pick, which will probably be 12-16 in a weak draft.

He is NOTHING like Clark. It's funny that people compare him to Clark when their skillsets are not even remotely the same. Randolph in limited minutes, about 22 minutes a game, if I recall, was putting up 12/6 at just 20 years old, based purely on raw talent. He is still only 21 and better than anything the Suns will be able to draft in the first round.

The Suns NEED a (real) PF if they want to make any sort of a run. Randolph is as close to a legitimate replacement for Amare as the Suns are going to get. If you watch him play, he's very similar to a young amare. Athletic freak, and IMO, a better rebounder.

 

[AzStevenCal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TJARASNxEo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgyybTWnyaY

Randolph is only 21 and definitely worth the Suns 1st round pick, which will probably be 12-16 in a weak draft.

He is NOTHING like Clark. It's funny that people compare him to Clark when their skillsets are not even remotely the same. Randolph in limited minutes, about 22 minutes a game, if I recall, was putting up 12/6 at just 20 years old, based purely on raw talent. He is still only 21 and better than anything the Suns will be able to draft in the first round.

The Suns NEED a (real) PF if they want to make any sort of a run. Randolph is as close to a legitimate replacement for Amare as the Suns are going to get. If you watch him play, he's very similar to a young amare. Athletic freak, and IMO, a better rebounder.

Did you just skim my post comparing Randolph and Clark? They aren't the same player but they have some of the same flaws, most noticeably they share the inability to tell the difference between a good shot and a bad shot. I think he's worth the Magic pick but it's a gamble even at that spot. I believe we'll be in the lottery and I think that's too much for him.

He showed flashes of brilliance in Golden State and appeared to have superstardom in his future. Then, opposing coaches took note of the fact that he was left handed and incapable of doing anything with his right hand and all of a sudden, his bright star dimmed. He hasn't been able to get off the bench much since then and there's also been reports that he doesn't respond well to coaching (see Earl Clark).

For those of you that think Dantoni is sitting this guy because he doesn't like young players, just take a look at the guys he puts out there. And note the development of Gallinari (22), Fields (22), Chandler (23) etc. Anthony has amazing potential and you don't give up on a 21/22 year old kid with his kind of talent but, considering his flaws, it's not wise to pay a premium for a guy who needs as much development as Randolph does.

Physically, he is nowhere close to stepping in for Amare or even Warrick. He's listed at 6'11 and outweighs his point guard by less than 20 pounds. That's not an everyday NBA power forward. I'd (sort of) like to see him in Phoenix but I don't see him helping us much for at least a few years if at all.

There have been difficulties involved with this guy and his agent that suggest he won't be an easy re-sign for anyone. Also, I fell in love with Stromile Swift's up-side when he came out and I can't help but remember they came from the same college with a similar reputation. And Stromile was every bit as athletic as this guy.

Steve

 

[jagu]

Anthony Randolph is pretty close to a bust. If he had the so called potential to be good you'd think either Golden State or the Knicks would keep him. He barely gets minutes and I really do not want another soft big man.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Anthony Randolph is pretty close to a bust. If he had the so called potential to be good you'd think either Golden State or the Knicks would keep him. He barely gets minutes and I really do not want another soft big man.

Is he better than Warrick? If not, there is no point in getting him.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Is he better than Warrick? If not, there is no point in getting him.

Right now, I don't think it's even close. However, IF he can add some muscle and IF he is willing to work on his game, he could really be something eventually. He is an incredible athlete with good ballhandling skills and a much better rebounder already than anyone we have at PF although he's probably closer to being able to play the SF spot right now (even though he can't shoot). He's worth a gamble IMO but he has value for the future not the present.

Steve

 

[JCSunsfan]

Right now, I don't think it's even close. However, IF he can add some muscle and IF he is willing to work on his game, he could really be something eventually. He is an incredible athlete with good ballhandling skills and a much better rebounder already than anyone we have at PF although he's probably closer to being able to play the SF spot right now (even though he can't shoot). He's worth a gamble IMO but he has value for the future not the present.

Steve

He and Warrick are redundant still. If Randolph comes, Warrick needs to go. Warrick would stunt his development. This is his third year in the league and he has to get on the court if he is going to develop at all.

Funny. DAntoni seems to be moving him because he has Amare and he wants Carmelo Anthony. But Carmelo doesn't seem to me to be a good match for Amare.

 

[AzStevenCal]

He and Warrick are redundant still. If Randolph comes, Warrick needs to go. Warrick would stunt his development. This is his third year in the league and he has to get on the court if he is going to develop at all.

Funny. DAntoni seems to be moving him because he has Amare and he wants Carmelo Anthony. But Carmelo doesn't seem to me to be a good match for Amare.

A lot of people say that. I hold a different view. I think it would give them two almost unstoppable players that would leave the other team playing deep into their rosters because of foul problems. Also, Carmelo is an excellent rebounder from the 3 spot and is equally adept at posting up as he is scoring from outside. I'm not an Anthony fan but I think he'd thrive next to Amare in Dantoni's system.

Steve

 

[slinslin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TJARASNxEo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgyybTWnyaY

Randolph is only 21 and definitely worth the Suns 1st round pick, which will probably be 12-16 in a weak draft.

He is NOTHING like Clark. It's funny that people compare him to Clark when their skillsets are not even remotely the same. Randolph in limited minutes, about 22 minutes a game, if I recall, was putting up 12/6 at just 20 years old, based purely on raw talent. He is still only 21 and better than anything the Suns will be able to draft in the first round.

The Suns NEED a (real) PF if they want to make any sort of a run. Randolph is as close to a legitimate replacement for Amare as the Suns are going to get. If you watch him play, he's very similar to a young amare. Athletic freak, and IMO, a better rebounder.

Yeah great he put up 12/6 in backup minutes through 33 games on a 20 win team that played at the fastest pace in the league?

Impressive, the Knicks could use a big guy but Randolph only puts up 2/2 on 29% shooting and got off the bench only 14 times this season.

Definitely not worth the Suns own pick.

 

[Griffin]

Looks like the Blazers are now in pursuit of Randolph. If there is even a remote possibility that this guy could end up helping a team this season, it would be bad for the Suns playoff hopes if he ended up in Portland.

The Magic pick will be a low pick in a potentially weak draft. The Suns may not even use the pick in order to avoid handing out a guaranteed contract to a prospect who in a stronger draft would have been a second-rounder. So that pick may very well be worth the gamble to bring in Randolph, especially if it keeps him away from the Blazers. Of course if the Blazers are willing to trade their own pick for him then that beats the Orlando pick.

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wi...22/blazers_enter_mix_for_anthony_randolph/el/

 

[JCSunsfan]

It seems like the Suns have been effective in getting chronically injured players and resurrecting their careers through the expertise of the training staff here (Hill, McDyess, and even Shaq come to mind).

I wonder if it might be worth taking a look at Yao and Oden. If we had enough confidence in our training staff we could have had Chandler.

 

[leclerc]

Get him

Please for once sign some young talent and give him a chance to develop. JJ needed some time. So does this guy. Portland knows talent. Phoenix does not, sadly... oh man, football season's almost over. Gonna be hard being positive on the Suns outlook if they don't do ****.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Please for once sign some young talent and give him a chance to develop. JJ needed some time. So does this guy. Portland knows talent. Phoenix does not, sadly... oh man, football season's almost over. Gonna be hard being positive on the Suns outlook if they don't do ****.

Not to be snide or anything but, Scoreboard. We never passed on Kevin Durant or Michael Jordan. Portland has made plenty of mistakes in the player evaluation game and despite the fact they didn't give away a bunch of their draft picks, they've had much less recent success than we have and are only slightly better positioned for the future, IMO.

Steve

 

[AfroSuns]

I wonder if it might be worth taking a look at Yao and Oden. If we had enough confidence in our training staff we could have had Chandler.

Did the Suns hire Jesus of Nazareth?

 

[AzStevenCal]

Did the Suns hire Jesus of Nazareth?

LOL. 5/5

Steve

 

[overseascardfan]

Honestly I would rather PHX trade for Troy Murphy. He would be worth the ORL pick or maybe we could offer NJ the TE from the Amare deal. He is owed like $7M if it is prorated as we are pretty near the mid point of the season and he was slated to make $12-$13M. I mean the guy can rebound and score which is something we really need and its not like he's signed to a huge long term deal like Hedo, so his salary comes off the books. He will not provide defense but there the number of available defensive minded PF's available are very slim unless we trade Nash for Josh Smith.

 

[tobiazz]

Honestly I would rather PHX trade for Troy Murphy. He would be worth the ORL pick or maybe we could offer NJ the TE from the Amare deal. He is owed like $7M if it is prorated as we are pretty near the mid point of the season and he was slated to make $12-$13M. I mean the guy can rebound and score which is something we really need and its not like he's signed to a huge long term deal like Hedo, so his salary comes off the books. He will not provide defense but there the number of available defensive minded PF's available are very slim unless we trade Nash for Josh Smith.

+1, but I think there is something wrong with him this year. A PF who can rebound and hit 3s is perfect for the Suns.

 

[leclerc]

Not to be snide or anything but, Scoreboard. We never passed on Kevin Durant or Michael Jordan. Portland has made plenty of mistakes in the player evaluation game and despite the fact they didn't give away a bunch of their draft picks, they've had much less recent success than we have and are only slightly better positioned for the future, IMO.

LOL okay except for the obvious blunders they've made I still think they pick up better players than we do. They really blew it not picking Durant a couple years ago. But they have picked Roy, Aldridge, Batum and that little rat from Arizona whos name I forget... and they picked Linus Kleiza. Suns could have had some good ones but we sold off the picks or I dunno. We had Amaré, Leandro, Dragic and Lopez... could have had Rondo, Iguodala and, well...

Point is we need some talent and we should have time now to let them develop on the court. Get us Anthony Randolph damn it!

 

[devilalum]

Honestly I would rather PHX trade for Troy Murphy. He would be worth the ORL pick or maybe we could offer NJ the TE from the Amare deal. He is owed like $7M if it is prorated as we are pretty near the mid point of the season and he was slated to make $12-$13M. I mean the guy can rebound and score which is something we really need and its not like he's signed to a huge long term deal like Hedo, so his salary comes off the books. He will not provide defense but there the number of available defensive minded PF's available are very slim unless we trade Nash for Josh Smith.

Maybe NJ would take VC for Murphy? Carter might pull his head out to play on the larger stage.

 

[overseascardfan]

Maybe NJ would take VC for Murphy? Carter might pull his head out to play on the larger stage.

I thought about this and while it makes perfect sense as both want out of their current cities. Only problem is Carter is a perimeter threat that we need since we gave up Richardson, plus his and Murphy's expirings means we could have a lot of cap room when the NBA comes back. Trading the TPE which we need to use gives NJ more money to offer Carmelo and rids them of someone they don't want in Murphy.