Nash trade ideas

HooverDam · Nov 26, 2008

So if you would've asked me a week ago if I was for trading Nash or not, I would've definitely said no, he's a 2 time MVP and one of the top 3 players to ever play for the Suns. But, from what Ive seen so far the Suns aren't serious contenders this year. By the time the trade deadline rolls around if it seems more apparent that the Suns are really not contenders, I think it might be a wise idea to move Nash.

With the big 2010 free agent class looming and Amare likely to opt out of his player option, the Suns need to start looking towards the future. I think as it stands they have to build around Amare, even with his defensive and rebounding deficiencies, he's still an elite player and can be a cornerstone to a contending team. However with Hill, Shaq and Nash all being old and done or gone soon, the Suns will need to start stockpiling youth to convince Amare to stay and to try to attract any of the 2010 free agents.

So with all that out of the way, here are some ideas:

Suns send:
Steve Nash

Portland sends
Jerryd Bayless,
Raef LaFrentz
#1 draft pick

Im not sure if Portland would be interested in this or not, it depends on how theyre doing around the deadline. Steve Blake isn't an elite PG though and Bayless seems more like a combo guard, like Roy, so maybe partnering him with Roy down the road in the back court isn't the greatest idea. The Suns would get an expiring deal, a replacement PG and potentially elite level player (I don't think anyone thinks Goran is going to be an All Star, but maybe the Suns do) and a pick to help them start accruing some talent (even though it would probably not be a very good pick).

You could also add Nicolas Batum and Sean Singeltary to the trade and it would work out salary wise, though thats perhaps asking Portland to give up too much (2 1st round players, and a #1 pick), though perhaps not since Bayless and Batum are certainly unproven. But a 5-some of Bayless-Barbosa-Batum-Stoudemire-Diaw would be still relatively cheap by 2010 and possibly attractive enough to attract a F.A.

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Suns send:
Steve Nash

Bucks send:
Joe Alexander
Charlie Bell
Luke Ridnour
#1 draft pick

The Suns get a guy to take over the starting PG role, depth at PG w/ Bell whos sort of a combo guard and could also sort of take over Raja as he continues to age and fade. Plus the Suns PA system already has that Bell sound effect, it could be doubly useful! Alexander could potentially be the SF of the future, and none of their contracts are terribly long or bad.

The Bucks would lose a lot of depth in this move, but a starting 5 of:
PG Nash
SG Redd
SF Jefferson
PF Villanueva
C Bogut

could do some damage in the weaker East. I doubt its a 'contending' team if you define that as going to a Conference championship/NBA finals, but it would be very high scoring and fun to watch. I'm just not sure the Suns get enough back in the deal, maybe they'd need a future 2nd rounder or another first from Milwaukee or see if the Bucks have any Euro players stashed away.

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Anywho...those are just two ideas, it gets pretty tough when youre moving a player like Nash to try to find a team that would be willing to give up a lot to push them over the hump, get good value yourself and meet the CBA rules.

cly2tw · Nov 26, 2008

Nash could be a great addition to the athletic running teams, from GS, OKC, NY, Bobcats, to Kings and Blazers. But to compete for title, we need Nash, or a reinvented Nash who is willing to work on stationary shooting. We are not in a hurryl to dump him, unless a sound alternative like Billups comes into the equation.

However, I'd definitely trade LB if there is a good deal.

HooverDam · Nov 26, 2008

cly2tw said:
Nash could be a great addition to the athletic running teams, from GS, OKC, NY, Bobcats, to Kings and Blazers. But to compete for title, we need Nash, or a reinvented Nash who is willing to work on stationary shooting. We are not in a hurryl to dump him, unless a sound alternative like Billups comes into the equation.

However, I'd definitely trade LB if there is a good deal.

My premise was the Suns aren't a contender as is, and that may become more apparent near the deadline. If it does become clear that they don't have a realistic shot, then it may be best to try to get something for Nash when its still possible to.

mojorizen7 · Nov 26, 2008

HooverDam said:
My premise was the Suns aren't a contender as is, and that may become more apparent near the deadline. If it does become clear that they don't have a realistic shot, then it may be best to try to get something for Nash when its still possible to.

If thats your premise then we should've looked to move Nash last season too

J.K. but not really.
I agree that the SUNS should look into their options for trading Nash at the deadline,however i think that they could get solid value in return for this year,not just junk & picks to hit the FA market in '10.
If they can't get an ALL-Star in return(to shore up the team's woeful perimeter shooting then selling Nash for the long term outlook is definately a great idea.

dodie53 · Nov 26, 2008

nash to the cavs for wally and gibson.

nash to the lakers for radmano and fisher.

nash to the warriors for crawford and azubuike.

nash and diaw to the knicks for marbury and lee.

LV-Suns · Nov 27, 2008

dodie53 said:
nash to the lakers for radmano and fisher.

nash to the warriors for crawford and azubuike.

The Commish · Nov 27, 2008

dodie53 said:
nash to the cavs for wally and gibson.

nash to the lakers for radmano and fisher.

nash to the warriors for crawford and azubuike.

nash and diaw to the knicks for marbury and lee.

Just stop. Seriously.

Divide Et Impera · Nov 27, 2008

I'd take Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw for Nash right now.

Blake-Barnes-Outlaw-Stoudemire-O'Neal (Bell, Barbosa, Hill, Diaw, Lopez)

Or, I'd take Kleiza and Billups.

Billups-Bell-Barnes-Stoudemire-O'Neal (Kleiza, Bell, Hill, Diaw, Lopez)

How about Nash and Barbosa for Hinrich and Gordon?

Hinrich-Gordon-Barnes-Stoudemire-O'Neal (Bell, Hill, Diaw, Lopez)

These are all off the top of my head and no salaries have been checked....

cly2tw · Nov 27, 2008

My premise is that we are still a contender or can be one if Nash concedes to reality and would will to adapt to make a run. And Bell trusts only Nash and will come along too. When the attitudes are right, Nash and Bell's 3pt shooting are exactly what we need.

However, in case that this doesn't happen, I'd welcome trade that give us some quality piece for future like Crawford/Azuibucke, or some alternative to make a last run for title like Billups.

Covert Rain · Nov 29, 2008

If we want to contend this year and plan on trading Nash it has to be for a legit PG which I don't see happening. If you want a shot in the playoffs (no matter how small) the best trade is no trade at all with Nash. You have to try and move other guys.

If you are throwing in the white towel and prepping for 2010 free agency. Then trade, Shaq, Diaw and Nash. Clear up all your cap space and make a run for free agents. This isn't the NFL and typically stocking up draft picks and 2nd tier talent gets you nowhere put in the lottery every year.

YouJustGotSUNSD · Dec 1, 2008

Not sure Nash's stock is that high right now. What coach is going to take an old PG who is struggling with a new offense on a newer, younger team, and put him on a newer offense with an even newer and younger team?

cly2tw · Dec 1, 2008

YouJustGotSUNSD said:
Not sure Nash's stock is that high right now. What coach is going to take an old PG who is struggling with a new offense on a newer, younger team, and put him on a newer offense with an even newer and younger team?

Too bad the Mavs rushed to give DHarris to Nets last year. Otherwise, I'd think Harris for Nash would be perfect for us, and better trade for what they got!

HooverDam · Dec 2, 2008

YouJustGotSUNSD said:
Not sure Nash's stock is that high right now. What coach is going to take an old PG who is struggling with a new offense on a newer, younger team, and put him on a newer offense with an even newer and younger team?

Good point, I think they only type of team that would want Nash is some team that thought they were close but needed a PG to push them over the top. Is Portland that team? I dunno. I think even with Nash, they'd still not be as good as LA. If I were them, Id probably just wait it out with my young talent and try to be on the rise once LA starts to fade. However since Bynum, Pao and Kobe aren't exactly old, that may not be possible, perhaps Portland will have to challenge LA head on.

Maybe the Suns would only be able to get Batum and Bayless and not a #1 pick. Its really hard to say, since they're both unproven rookies, is there value really that high? Especially considering Portland has a glut of young talent that they can't find minutes for anyhow, and who will all probably be up for bigger contracts and extensions all around the same time.

MaoTosiFanClub · Dec 3, 2008

Outgoing: Nash, Shaq

Incoming: Nate Robinson, Danilo Gallinari, Starbury, Malik Rose, draft pick or two

Why Phoenix does it:
Sheds a bunch of salary, opens up a max slot this offseason if needs be. Obtain young talent in Gallinari and NateRob.

Why New York does it:
Can win some games in the East while still keeping 2010 LeBron/Bosh plan intact, NY has no problems keeping a big salary, reunite Nash/Shaq with D'antoni on a playoff team, solves Marbury problem, makes NYK relevant with two former MVP's

Checks out on RealGM

HooverDam · Dec 3, 2008

^Hm, I don't hate it, but I don't love it either. I'm not sure when Starburys deal expires, I hope it would be in time to make a run at one of the guys in 2010. The problem Id have with that deal is that its possible that the only thing you're really getting out of it is Nate Robinson. Gallinari's health seems to be a huge question mark, Rose and Starbury aren't worth much and with the Knicks having better players in a weak conference who knows what their picks will be worth.

Mr. Boldin · Dec 4, 2008

In all reality I dont see the Knicks making a move unless they can dump Curry or Jeffries.

However, the Knicks would sign off on that deal depending on the draft picks. I dont think its a very good trade for the Suns at all, because other than the picks I dont see any players worth keeping longterm besides Gallinari.

However, to keep up with this thread there are only a few real possibilities for a trade IMO.

One easy one that doesnt involve Nash is moving Shaq for Vince Carter and Trenton Hassell. Im not sure how likely it is the Nets would accept that deal beause they dont get any better or add any assets in the trade, but they do clear Vince. Now the Nets really dont need to make that move would allow them to go for LeBron, Bosh, and another player in 2010.

This deal would also take the Suns out of the running for a big name in 2010, but it does add another scorer to put on the wing. The problem is I dont like Vince that much and his contract is insane, but it would keep Nash on board, move Shaq out, keep Amare somewhat happy, and allow the Suns to at least compete for the playoffs through Nash's tenure if not help him resign in 2010.

Moving Nash makes the most sense if Portland is involved. There are numerous combinations to make the salaries match and also adds the most talent to the Suns roster, while keeping 2010 flexibility. In my opinion this is a trade that likely would happen this summer if the Suns are committed to loading up for 2010.

Webster, Blake, Sergio, Outlaw, Bayless, Batum, Frye, Diogu, LaFrentz are the most likely candidates to be packaged for Nash this year. Sub LaFrentz for Przybilla in the offseason. I dont think they move Rudy, because he would be a great 6th man. If they do move Rudy I would think they would try to keep Bayless.

Out of all the teams in the NBA, the Blazers allow the Suns to gain the most talent while keeping cap flexibility. The Suns probably wouldnt get much in regards to draft picks from the Blazers, so that is something to think about.

I thought about multiple trades with Milwaukee that would send Nash and Diaw/Barbosa/Bell for Redd and Ridnour/Villanueva/Alexander/Bell, but couldnt come up with a reason why the Bucks would add that much salary without getting a defender.

Nash and Bell for Redd and Alexander/Villanueva seems the most likely, but that adds another 18 mil to the Suns payroll for 2010, not to mention if they extend Villa.

All in all, a trade with 2010 in mind that adds talent makes the most sense with Portland out of any team. I came up with a few other trades, but they would likely only occur if the Suns are desperate and feel the need to trade Nash, because they arent that good.

hafey · Dec 4, 2008

As suggested by a college roommate from the Bay Area:

Nash for Monta Ellis and Brandon Wright

Mr. Boldin · Dec 4, 2008

hafey said:
As suggested by a college roommate from the Bay Area:

Nash for Monta Ellis and Brandon Wright

The problem there is Ellis is a BYC player and his salary would only count for $5.5 mil, meaning Golden State would either somehow have to include Turiaf or this would have to turn into a 3 way deal.

I think getting Ellis would be great, but I dont see Golden State making that deal, because they arent going anywhere anyway and Ellis and Biedrins are the future of the franchise.

hafey · Dec 4, 2008

The problem is there is a power struggle in the warriors front office. The owner is meddling and wants to fire Mullin. Mullin would not trade Ellis, however the owner is much more amenable to trading Ellis. There is a lot of backlash internally over the accident this summer.

mojorizen7 · Dec 4, 2008

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