Nash wants to sign a three year contract

[Cheesebeef]

Ughh bro that post you quoted was the first post I made on the Mavs topic. I think you have me mistaken for someone else...

But just out curiosity, who was the Mavs 2nd superstar?

And I think they won the title cause they have a coaching staff and players at EVERY position who preach and play excellent defense. The 40 year old Jason Kidd was guarding DWAYNE WADE and doing a good job. The 34 year old Marion was guarding LeBron and COMPLETELY shutting him down. Even Dirk did a decent job defensively on Bosh but of course he got help.

Then on top of all that the Mavs had a VERY VERY reliable bench. There's no way they even get to the Finals without Terry and Barea.

Mavs had more than just "superstardom."

yes, but they had a SUPERSTAR in his prime. We don't even have that on this team. and if you think Nash is still at that level, well, then there's no reason to continue this discussion because 12.7 ppg and 11 assists does not a superstar make.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Celtics, Lakers, Pistons. Now I know you'll try to discount these because they are the Lakers and Celtics (they should somehow be in a different category). But the Pistons also have a championship without high draft picks (The Prince, Sheed team). BTW, Dallas was not at rock bottom when they got Dirk. He was the 9th pick. I love how you use the term relevant. It can conveniently mean whatever you want it to mean.

The Celtics got Ray Allen for the fifth overall pick which means they bottomed out. And they had a young asset in All Jefferson who they got in the top 15 to swing for KG. Two completely different scenarios. The Pistons were a once in a lifetime thing, but let's also not forget that Rip, Chauncey, and Rasheed were all top 10 picks at one point. Lakers got Bynum in their only lottery year which has kept them relevant as well as getting Kobe in the lottery way back when.

Nash needs to go and we need to bottom out. End of story.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Nash needs to go and we need to bottom out. End of story.

Signing Nash to a 3 year deal averaging around 12 mil and overpaying for a Gordon/Batum to get a 6-8 seed and a first round out the next 3 years doesn't sound like a good idea to you? You're clearly missing out on the collective wisdom of some on this board.

 

[Ninjafish]

are you kidding? the idea that a team who's so talentless that they don't even make the playoffs for 3 straight years (which is what Nash teams have done the last years without Amare) is no different from a team that continually gets a top 4 seed and chokes in the playoffs, but is only one piece away from being a complete team (Chandler) strains credulity, to be kind. Are you saying that this Suns team is one Tyson Chandler like piece from being a legit title contender?

It's easy to say that now in retrospect but no one thought the Mavs were destined for a championship as soon as they got Chandler. And after five years or so of first round exits (which isn't much better than missing out on the playoffs completely), it looked like they would never get it done. Fortunately for them, Cuban stuck with it and did not blow up the team.

The 2010 Suns team was perhaps one piece away from being a legit contender. We need to get back to being as good as the 2010 team first before trying to think about being a contender.

 

[slinslin]

It's easy to say that now in retrospect but no one thought the Mavs were destined for a championship as soon as they got Chandler. And after five years or so of first round exits (which isn't much better than missing out on the playoffs completely), it looked like they would never get it done. Fortunately for them, Cuban stuck with it and did not blow up the team.

The 2010 Suns team was perhaps one piece away from being a legit contender. We need to get back to being as good as the 2010 team first before trying to think about being a contender.

looool and how you plan on doing that since that 2010 team lost Amare Stoudemire for nothing, Grant Hill is 40+ and Nash 39.

Also selective memory but 5 years before their championship the Mavs actually already were in the finals.

 

[AzStevenCal]

It's easy to say that now in retrospect but no one thought the Mavs were destined for a championship as soon as they got Chandler. And after five years or so of first round exits (which isn't much better than missing out on the playoffs completely), it looked like they would never get it done. Fortunately for them, Cuban stuck with it and did not blow up the team.

The 2010 Suns team was perhaps one piece away from being a legit contender. We need to get back to being as good as the 2010 team first before trying to think about being a contender.

Sorry but that's just not true. They were my pick to win it all the year before when Kidd put on his disappearing act (against a very mediocre Spurs team) and they were my pick again when they added Chandler. I'm quite sure I wasn't alone.

IMO, the 2010 Suns team was AT LEAST one seriously good piece away from being a legit contender. Don't get me wrong, I think we could have won it all that year if the Lakers had decided to roll over for us but we really weren't all that good. We'd have had a fair chance against Boston but would have struggled mightily against Cleveland or Orlando. On the western side, we benefitted by the Spurs victory and the fact that the Portland team looked like they were sponsored by the local hospital.

I've followed the Suns since the day the league announced we were getting a franchise and I've never seen a Suns team catch more breaks than we did that season. It was a lot of fun but it set this franchise back a ways because Sarver and company also believed a WCF finish meant that we were true contenders. I'm pretty sure that's why they spent all that money to add Childress, Turkoglu and Warrick to replace a departing Amare instead of scrapping it all and starting the rebuild process.

Steve

 

[Cheesebeef]

It's easy to say that now in retrospect but no one thought the Mavs were destined for a championship as soon as they got Chandler. And after five years or so of first round exits (which isn't much better than missing out on the playoffs completely), it looked like they would never get it done. Fortunately for them, Cuban stuck with it and did not blow up the team.

Here's the difference... Cuban kept parts of his team that was actually winning games and making the playoffs and kept building on it. That's why it worked. You want to keep a team intact that continually doesn't make the playoffs. Newsflash... if this was 2010, you'd have a point because that team was just a piece away from being a title contender, but that team has ALREADY BEEN BLOWN UP. The only three remaining players from the WCF team are Nash, Dudley and Frye. THIS team is Nash and scraps from that club... and it's one that doesn't make the playoffs... thus, it's really NOTHING like the Mavs. seriously... how you're not getting this is beyond me. We already blew up the team that should have been built on and now we're trying to rebuild with the collateral damage? that makes no sense whatsoever.

The 2010 Suns team was perhaps one piece away from being a legit contender. We need to get back to being as good as the 2010 team first before trying to think about being a contender.

yes... but we are NOTHING like that 2010 Suns team. That Suns team had a bench and a 25 ppg 9 rebounds per game scorer. We have neither a bench nor a superstar scoring option. And that 25/9 guy isn't available in FA. The idea that we're going to get back to 2010 is just completely unbelievable.

 

[mojorizen7]

Signing Nash to a 3 year deal averaging around 12 mil and overpaying for a Gordon/Batum to get a 6-8 seed and a first round out the next 3 years doesn't sound like a good idea to you? You're clearly missing out on the collective wisdom of some on this board.

http://youtu.be/EPa5oVG-nII

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

It's easy to say that now in retrospect but no one thought the Mavs were destined for a championship as soon as they got Chandler. And after five years or so of first round exits (which isn't much better than missing out on the playoffs completely), it looked like they would never get it done. Fortunately for them, Cuban stuck with it and did not blow up the team.

Dirk last year was 32. Nash is currently 38. Big difference. Not to mention the Mavs were winning 50-55 games a season when they were getting bounced in the first round not missing the playoffs altogether. They just ran into some bad matchups.

The 2010 Suns team was perhaps one piece away from being a legit contender. We need to get back to being as good as the 2010 team first before trying to think about being a contender.

All we need a time machine for Steve and Grant and a max slot for Amare. No problem!

 

[Mainstreet]

Just to clarify, in the opening thread I was guessing Nash might command a new contract offer from the Suns in the order of a $12M a season in a multi-year contract. These are only my thoughts in regard to what I believe the Suns are willing to offer.

I'm thinking Nash will want at least $12M per season with the third year partially guaranteed (say 6M). Only a guess on my part. I believe the Suns will offer such a contract.

I do think negotiations will start somewhere around $10 and go from there. It's hard for me to believe Nash will want less money than his current salary of $11,689,062.

 

[hcsilla]

I'm pretty sure that's why they spent all that money to add Childress, Turkoglu and Warrick to replace a departing Amare

I'm not sure it was such a bad idea. It was just terribly executed.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'm not sure it was such a bad idea. It was just terribly executed.

It was definitely poorly executed but I think it was a bad idea also. Obviously, none of us are privy to all the financial issues they have to deal with so perhaps it's only a bad idea from a fan standpoint but as a fan, that's about the only way I can look at it.

I think a lot of people looked at our WCF loss to the Lakers and concluded that we were close to being elite rather than looking at it as an incredibly fortuitous run that was not likely to be duplicated. If you look at it in that way, it becomes apparent that you need to upgrade the talent and that's before we lose (arguably) our best player. I don't think we brought in enough talent to offset the loss of Lou let alone Amare.

Steve

 

[Cheesebeef]

It was definitely poorly executed but I think it was a bad idea also. Obviously, none of us are privy to all the financial issues they have to deal with so perhaps it's only a bad idea from a fan standpoint but as a fan, that's about the only way I can look at it.

I think a lot of people looked at our WCF loss to the Lakers and concluded that we were close to being elite rather than looking at it as an incredibly fortuitous run that was not likely to be duplicated. If you look at it in that way, it becomes apparent that you need to upgrade the talent and that's before we lose (arguably) our best player. I don't think we brought in enough talent to offset the loss of Lou let alone Amare.

Steve

not to mention Barbs also, who wasn't what he once was in his heyday, but was still a decent sparkplug at 9 ppg off the bench.

 

[sunsfan88]

Steve Nash, Phoenix Suns – Unrestricted

Steve Nash is playing the game rather well. Not the NBA game, but the pending free agent game. Nash who normally steers clear of anything remotely controversial has made it known that he’d like a three year deal this summer. He’s made it clear he’d be open to situations like the Miami HEAT and he’s openly commented that the talent level of the Suns would have to come up in order for him to stay.

Said another way, Nash has let the Suns know that their two year offer isn’t enough to get him to stay beyond this season and that he wants to see improvements made before he’d consider committing.

Nash talks a lot about being loyal to his teammates, but the truth of the matter is Nash has remained largely healthy in Phoenix and he’s had a lot of success even if the team has not. Nash would love to compete for a championship, but that doesn’t drive him nearly as much as it does other players.

Like Deron Williams, Nash is Phoenix’s player to lose.

Sources close to the process say the Suns have put the idea of a two year $20 million offer on the table, which is far and away more money than anyone in free agency is going to offer the 38 year old Nash. If the Suns come off the dime on a third year, the odds they are losing Nash are slim.

Nash has earned north of $119 million in his NBA career, so it’s safe to say money may not be the prime motivator and with Nash, who is quirkier than most, pegging exactly how this will go down is not easy.

The smart money says if Nash is leaving Phoenix it will be via sign and trade, the question is will anyone really offer that third year Nash is seeking, especially if it’s at a high dollar amount.

Damn TWO YEAR $20 million deal? That's too much IMO.

 

[hcsilla]

That's OK, he is worth that much, IMO.

 

[slinslin]

Signing Nash to a 3 year deal averaging around 12 mil and overpaying for a Gordon/Batum to get a 6-8 seed and a first round out the next 3 years doesn't sound like a good idea to you? You're clearly missing out on the collective wisdom of some on this board.

Fun thing, if we pay Nash 12M$ a season we won't even be able to overpay those guys.

We will have to overpay even lesser players.

If we pay Nash that much it is more likely we can only match Lopez and Brooks, amnesty Warrick and have a little over 10M$ capspace to spend.

 

[SirStefan32]

They can not possibly be stupid enough to do this.

 

[chickenhead]

I would not be surprised to see both the Suns and Raptors make offers in at least the 2yr/20m range.

The Raptors didn't trade Calderon to a contender at the deadline, partly because they didn't necessarily have another starting PG option in place (which turned out to be absolutely true once Bayless was injured), and likely because he is an attractive a commodity this upcoming year as an expiring contract. He's scheduled to make just under 10.6m, so within the range discussed for Nash in the upcoming year, but of course Nash would be a marketing bonanza for them in a way that Calderon isn't.

I don't think they will actually sign him because a) they have no on-court advantage, and b) from what I recall Nash has never really expressed interest. Anyone from BC will probably tell you that growing up in BC + college in California + playing professionally in the west does not = Toronto. But the Raptors would be foolish to not at least investigate, IMO, and it could likely result in an offer that sets a baseline.

 

[sunsfan88]

Portland fans have an interesting scenario brewing... under the Steve Kerr as GM topic...

Hire Kerr as GM, D'Ant as Coach, sign NAsh... to go with Batum, Aldridge, MAthews, Hickson, 2 picks.... and the rest. Stranger things have happened, and that would be a way to obtain NAsh w/o giving up anything, and quite possibly, without being the highest bidder.

It would be the ultimate f-u for Kerr and D'Ant.

 

[Griffin]

Nash has stated repeatedly that he won't come back unless the Suns improve. He said the Suns have no 20ppg scorers and that the team needs one, so I think marginal improvements won't cut it. On the other hand, any player who is capable of (or has a history of) averaging 20ppg is going to command large salary. Nash knows that obviously. He seems to be well aware of the Suns cap situation. I think he will work with the Suns management on a contract that will accommodate at least one major addition salary-wise. Otherwise there would be no point to even ask the Suns to improve if your own salary would prevent the team from being able to offer another large contract.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Nash has stated repeatedly that he won't come back unless the Suns improve. He said the Suns have no 20ppg scorers and that the team needs one, so I think marginal improvements won't cut it. On the other hand, any player who is capable of (or has a history of) averaging 20ppg is going to command large salary. Nash knows that obviously. He seems to be well aware of the Suns cap situation. I think he will work with the Suns management on a contract that will accommodate at least one major addition salary-wise. Otherwise there would be no point to even ask the Suns to improve if your own salary would prevent the team from being able to offer another large contract.

I really don't know what to think about this. I've heard him make the same comments and I agree it seems logical that Nash might be willing to accommodate us but I'm not so sure about it. I keep remembering another of his comments that the Suns would be making a mistake if they tried to lowball him (or something to that effect).

Steve

 

[Cheesebeef]

I really don't know what to think about this. I've heard him make the same comments and I agree it seems logical that Nash might be willing to accommodate us but I'm not so sure about it. I keep remembering another of his comments that the Suns would be making a mistake if they tried to lowball him (or something to that effect).

Steve

agreed. Griffin's trying to make a logical argument for why Nash would be willing to worm with us, but here's the reality... most NBA players don't give a damn about logic. They don't care how the team improves as long as it happens... BUT they also get paid.

 

[Covert Rain]

Signing Nash to a 3 year deal averaging around 12 mil and overpaying for a Gordon/Batum to get a 6-8 seed and a first round out the next 3 years doesn't sound like a good idea to you? You're clearly missing out on the collective wisdom of some on this board.

POST OF THE DAY.

 

[sunsfan88]

Nash wants Eric Gordon here. That's why he keeps saying "go to guy" and "20 pt scorer" every time. Cause Gordon is both that. Gordon can probably be even better than that with Nash.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I really don't know what to think about this. I've heard him make the same comments and I agree it seems logical that Nash might be willing to accommodate us but I'm not so sure about it. I keep remembering another of his comments that the Suns would be making a mistake if they tried to lowball him (or something to that effect).

Steve

I think Nash will give the Suns the option of matching any offer he receives. He did that for Dallas when he signed with us. But that is going to be the extent of what the Suns get.

The Suns at a 2 in the JRich mold (Gordon) Nash, and a decent rookie (PJonesIII) it could make a huge difference for next year.