Navarre's Development Coming Along Quickly

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SunCardfan said:
Rich Gannon?
156 yds in 2002, on 50 carries. not bad, but not good enough to be considered a running threat either. he was once upon a time a runner, but no more. now he's just 'somewhat more evasive' than other QBs, and no more.
 

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Gnomad said:
pocket QBs win superbowls. anyone want to show me the last team even IN the superbowl with a 'running' quarterback? not just a good scrambler, but one that would take off w/o a 2nd thought?

McNair was there in 2000... but lost... who else?

Josh McCown 2004!
 

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swd1974 said:
On the contrary the running QB has been in fashion so long that the pocket QB will string together a few superbowls because all defenses are geared for running QB's. Rotations like this happen every few years at several positions.

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I'd submit that the traditional pocket passer is an endangered species--both literally and figuratively--in part because of the salary cap and its effects on personnel management in the NFL. No longer are offensive lines painstakingly assembled and kept intact over several seasons. From Dan Fouts to Dan Marino, the great pocket QBs of the last few decades had their most success behind outstanding OLs whose first priority was to protect the passer.

But great pass-blocking lines require individual talent and group continuity, both of which are at a premium in this age of free agency and reduced depth. Even if you can assemble five quality o-linemen at the same time, the odds are against you keeping all five together for any length of time. (You have to wonder how long Kurt Warner might have continued to play at a high level for the Rams, if perennial Pro Bowl LT Orlando Pace and RG Adam Timmerman could've played with the same three guys for more than one or two seasons.)

So scrambling QBs, whose own athleticism can compensate for their OL's shortcomings, are the current state-of-the-art. And whether it's hybrid RB/QBs like Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick and Steve McNair, or mobile passers like Tom Brady, Matt Hasselbeck and Jake Delhomme, their ability to avoid pressure and make plays is a huge asset.

That's not to say that it's impossible for a pure pocket passer to succeed in today's game. Peyton Manning is Exhibit A, and top 2004 draftees like brother Eli and Ben Roethlisberger are in that category. But their productivity is more dependent on the protection they receive, and the skill players that surround them, than it would be if they could run as well as they throw.

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azdad1978 said:
In just two preseason showings, seventh-round draft pick quarterback John Navarre doesn’t look like a rookie. Instead, he appears like a well-poised veteran quarterback. On his first play ever in an NFL game, the Minnesota Vikings welcomed the rookie out of Michigan with a 4-yard sack. Navarre was sacked again on that drive, but Navarre remained unshaken, and was three of three on the drive and moved his unit across midfield into Vikings territory.

“You have to take it in stride,” said Navarre of the rocky start. “As a quarterback, you have to be able to handle adversity. Those things are going to happen and you have to bounce back from it. As a team, we were able to bounce back that series and move the ball and we have to learn from it.”

Navarre explains that the better grasp you have of the offense, the more able you are to stay relaxed and pressure-free, even when defensive linemen are swarming around you like a pack of buzzards.

“To be poised and calm you have to know what you are doing and if you are confident in what you are doing, things are going to slow down for you,” said Navarre. “You’ll be able to work the offense and move the football and so you just have to say, and I learned that throughout my career at Michigan and I’m taking that with me in my NFL career.”

Navarre was basically overlooked in the NFL Draft, but Head Coach Dennis Green was looking for players who came from strong programs and who wouldn’t require a lengthy time to develop. Green often notes other successful NFL quarterbacks out of Michigan: Tom Brady, Brian Griese, and Elvis Grbac, and firmly believes Navarre can join those ranks.

“I think it is a tradition and a history of the program,” commented the latest star quarterback to come out of Michigan. “There is an expectation from the quarterback position, no matter who you are or where you are from, you are expected to do a job and you learn that from day one and you have to be able to adjust and play Michigan football and if not, you are out. You learn to be mentally tough, learn how to run and offense, and learn how to play well.”

During his career at Michigan, Navarre set six all-time passing records and seven single-season marks, but for most of his career, he was also the quarterback who lost to Ohio State his sophomore and junior seasons, an atrocity to Michigan fans. Navarre persevered and won most of his critics over by throwing for 278 yards and two touchdowns to beat the Buckeyes in his final season.

Navarre is used to the naysayers, but he says he has nothing to prove to those who overlooked him in the draft.

“Even at Michigan, people always asked me that,” responded Navarre. “The only thing I have to prove anything to is myself. My main goal was to get my foot in the door and get an opportunity. Whether it came as a seventh-round draft pick or signing with a team as an undrafted free agent, I was just hoping to get an opportunity. My opportunity is here and I’m going to make the best of it and do what I can.”

Since his arrival to Arizona, he’s spent hours pouring over his playbook, picking the brains of quarterbacks Josh McCown and Shaun King, and evaluating his play in the film-room harsher than most critics.

“I evaluate myself each week to see if I’m doing the right thing,” stated Navarre. “I know if I’m making the right decisions and going the right place with the ball. I want to keep progressing, I’ve got a long way to go and I’ve got to get a lot better.”

Navarre may need to get a lot better to become an NFL starting quarterback one day, but for a rookie, he’s not making many mistakes. In two games he is 12/13 for 168 yards and connected with receiver Reggie Newhouse for the Cardinals only touchdown this preseason. Although the play came with 33 seconds left in a beating by the San Diego Chargers, Navarre showed the kind of heart Green expects in a competitor.

“It was a good feeling because we executed the play the way we were supposed to,” shared Navarre. “Reggie and I have been connecting throughout practice and that was a good feeling, but obviously we lost the game and we want to get better and we want to win.”

Chrissy Mauck, azcardinals.com

http://www.azcardinals.com/press/pressdetails.php?sid=2142

Of our QB's I think this is a guy with potential. Being a good QB is largely in the head. He comes from an outstanding program and is used to playing in front o 100,000 fans. He seems to have a good head and the ability to learn as well as an arm and size. No happy feet with this guy. I have good vibes about his future. Hope he gets an opportunity.
 

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SunCardfan said:
Green is great at finding Qb's if we can always get a Qb on the cheap we can spend more money on the other players...

Guess what, we already have. We have a bunch of money tied up already. Don't think we could spend much for a QB.
 

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azdad1978 said:
Navarre was basically overlooked in the NFL Draft, but Head Coach Dennis Green was looking for players who came from strong programs and who wouldn’t require a lengthy time to develop.


http://www.azcardinals.com/press/pressdetails.php?sid=2142



<sigh>

So Green isnt really interested in developing anyone.

Thats too bad b/c I think talent like DJ, Pace, Quentin Harris, Renaldo Hill, Wendel Bryant, etc could really benefit from some teaching. :shrug:
 

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You don't need to be extremely mobile if you can sense the pressure, sidestep, and have a quick release. Being able to scramble is great, but most of the breaks in the receivers' patterns are happening before that point. Of course, unless you're able to really execute quickly, a slow-footed QB's stock really starts to plummet after that.
 

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LVCARDFREAK said:
<sigh>

So Green isnt really interested in developing anyone.

Thats too bad b/c I think talent like DJ, Pace, Quentin Harris, Renaldo Hill, Wendel Bryant, etc could really benefit from some teaching. :shrug:

name one play any of those guys besides Hill made last year? you will probably say DJ with 3 sacks, but I would say the guy is years away from any contribution on a regular basis
 

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clif said:
name one play any of those guys besides Hill made last year? you will probably say DJ with 3 sacks, but I would say the guy is years away from any contribution on a regular basis


How would you know??

I thought that was the problem! I thought Mac and Joe Green and company were not 'teachers' and DG would come in and 'teach up' our young players.

All I have seen is these guys get in DG's dog house, DG start a bunch of rookies and his 'own guys', cut the ones he didnt like, and leave the rest the same.

The only thing I have seen thus far is DG unspectaculalry announce McCown as the starter (while passing on a destined-to-be-elite QB in the draft) and mouthing off about the playoffs etc when in reality this team will be hard pressed to be any better than they were last year!
 

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LVCARDFREAK said:
I thought Mac and Joe Green and company were not 'teachers' and DG would come in and 'teach up' our young players.

All I have seen is these guys get in DG's dog house, DG start a bunch of rookies and his 'own guys', cut the ones he didnt like, and leave the rest the same.

The only thing I have seen thus far is DG unspectacularly announce McCown as the starter (while passing on a destined-to-be-elite QB in the draft) and mouthing off about the playoffs etc when in reality this team will be hard pressed to be any better than they were last year!

LVCF:

Nice to know I haven't been hallucinating. That's pretty much what I've seen, too. :thumbup:

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LVCF:

Nice to know I haven't been hallucinating. That's pretty much what I've seen, too. :thumbup:

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OK. Let's put some real pressure on the young man.

He reminds me of a young Dan Marino (although he doesn't yet come close to Marino's quick release).

But realistically, if you project him into game situations as a backup we can win with, he's not ready yet.

One thing about Denny's coaching style I feel good about is that you can actually see his young players improve from game to game. (For many years, we've brought in talent who'd leave us having no better skills than they did when they first came in).

So the fun of watching Navarre will be tracking his improvement from appearance to appearance.

 

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JeffGollin said:
OK. Let's put some real pressure on the young man.

He reminds me of a young Dan Marino (although he doesn't yet come close to Marino's quick release).

But realistically, if you project him into game situations as a backup we can win with, he's not ready yet.

One thing about Denny's coaching style I feel good about is that you can actually see his young players improve from game to game. (For many years, we've brought in talent who'd leave us having no better skills than they did when they first came in).

So the fun of watching Navarre will be tracking his improvement from appearance to appearance.


Jeff I think Navarre has a better chance on this team than any of the QB's to develope into a better than average NFL QB. We cannot see into the heads of QB's which is where 50% or more of their success will come from. He may not make it in Airizona but somewhere along the way in the next 5 years I think he will be a starter for some NFL team. He does not have happy feet, he apparently is really studying the books and learning the system and will take a hit and get back up and complete a pass. He has been a supprise to me but I knew comming out of a strong Michigan team he had to have somethng going for him. I hope he does not get lost in the Dennis shuffle if McCown struggles this year. He is a pure passer and not a runner like most of our recent QB's. As it stands now without a running game any QB is going to take a lot of hits in our games.
 
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I think Navarre has been the most impressive Cardinal draft pick in the preseason games so far. Stepanovich is right up there too. Hard to believe Green picked Navarre up where he did. His play to me indicates that maybe he should have been picked higher.

Dansby and Dockett have kind of been disappointing at this point. I was expecting more from Dockett. At the nose tackle position. Maybe I was expecting too much. Hopefully he will come around and be a force on that D line soon.
 

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swd1974 said:
<-------- our future qb.

Everyone remember in 2 years I SAID IT FIRST!

This is funny to read with your new avatar.
 

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40yearfan said:
I would rather have her as the center and myself as the QB. :thumbup:

With her as center we could sign any free agent QB we wanted.
 

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