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Christie is a head case, but he would be a good defensive pick up. I like Kittles because he is a UFA, and when he played in NJ, he definatly could run the fast break!

Any of the bigs you guys mentioned would be great! We need at least 2, I think, for foul and injury problems. ;)
 
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There are more teams in need of a quality SG than there are quality SG's.
The oft repeated list of big name FA SG's this year are Redd/Allen/JJ/Simmons.

JJ will not be an option for any team other than the Suns and Redd may very well want to stay in MIL (now that they got their center). Allen can choose any team willing to afford him, making Simmons very pricey.
 

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KANIDJA said:
For bigs I would go for Rebraca, Dale Davis, Or Pachulia. I don't think that we can do much better than that and we probably don't have to.
Than go for Finley or Kittles. There are lots of options out there. It should be interesting.

I've never been impressed by REbraca. Dale Davis is with the Pacers where he is a perfect fit. He's not going anywhere and certainly not to a running team.

Pachulia is strictly backup material. He's an RFA. He actually showed he might have some talent, but he is probably going to be far too expensive to be worth worrying about. He's got a much stronger game than Hunter.

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PPG 6.2
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Andrew DeClercq?

I would love it if the Phoenix Suns could replace Q with Bobby Simmons, but that means they would be playing just as much skill ball as last year. That's not what Amare Stoudemire and I'm assuming Shawn Marion/JJ really want. Siemens is going to get over the mid-level exception this year from somebody, probably the LA Clippers. I think he's probably out of the picture for the Phoenix Suns although he might be on the radar for a team like Cleveland or Denver.

It's kind of hard to tell on HoopsHype because they don't include Andre Miller's or Boykins' salaries for next year, but it looks like Denver will have $40-41 million on the books next season. That means they could have as much as $9 million under the salary cap to sign someone to play shooting guard.

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Instead of Payton, what about Jeff McInnis? I liked him when he was here in LA.

I heard his attitude is just as bad as Payton's. Had an altercation w/ ex coach Paul Silas.
 

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SirChaz said:
Some players I would be interested in that (hopefully) wouldn't break the bank.

Kwame Brown
Antonio Daniels
Dale Davis
Donyell Marshall
Luke Walton
Ronald Murray

I think we can forget about the big names due to most of them going for big money. I'd be happy if we could get 2 or three from this list:

PG Antonio Daniels
C Dan Gadzuric
SF Donyell Marshall
SG Michael Finley
PF Shareef Abdur Rahim
PF/C Chris Anderson
PG/SG Juan Dixon
 

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Chris Andersen New Orleans UFA
Chris Duhon Chicago RFA
Reggie Evans Seattle RFA
Steven Hunter Phoenix Player option
Casey Jacobsen New Orleans UFA
Joe Johnson Phoenix RFA
Donyell Marshall Toronto UFA
Ronald Murray Seattle RFA
Bostjan Nachbar New Orleans UFA
Bo Outlaw Phoenix UFA
Gary Payton Boston UFA
Luke Walton LA Lakers RFA

I eliminated players based on character (loosely as you can see), expense, and my own personal disinterest and came up with these names I like, have something to add to Phoenix, and we might have a shot at. I'd be happy to see any of these guys on the Suns either helping us to a championship, keeping our locker room positive (Outlaw), or growing along with our success. Just on speculation add Finley to the list.
Larry Hughes would be great but he's at his prime so I doubt he'll take a lesser contract to come here.
 
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I realized that not only doe I want Vroman and Jacobsen back but I'd also like Nachbar and Andersen. I must be losing my grip to want to raid the Hornets roster like that. Seriously though they are all play with hustle, Vroman rebounds well, Nachbar can shoot the three despite his size, Andersen has brass cajones, and Casey WILL only get better. And yes, someday I hope Nate Robinson joins the Suns as soon as he can escape New York.
 

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I agree generally with F-Dogg's list though I'm not partial to many former Suns... Finley for the min is fine.

A few guys I think the Suns could get for a fairly low price but wouldn't be deadweight. They also wouldn't be disruptive. We do have to add several players and we can only go MLE on one guy or split it over two. I'm expecting that Marshall, Gadzuric or Pachulia would require most of the MLE and Simmons should get at least what Q did, so he's not really a live possibility.

Rick Brunsun 6-4 PG UFA Clippers. An 8 yr journeyman who played 24 mpg and got 5.1 assists this past season - by far his most productive year. Not a great shooter but he tends not to shoot much. Fair defender. The Clippers may not have room for him on their roster and I wouldn't expect him to be hotly pursued.

Mikki Moore 7' C UFA Clippers. Hunter like but more dependable, somewhat better rebounder (11.5/48) but not as prolific a shot blocker. He got 17 mpg and played in 74 games. 7 years in the league. He may get as much as Hunter but he's worth looking into... maybe he comes for the LLE.

DefMarr Johnson 6-9 SG UFA Denver. Played about 15 mpg, and got his minutes in the playoffs. FG% = 50, 36% from 3 - about 1/3 of his shots are 3's. Denver drafted 3 players so they're going to have to let a couple of guys loose and DerMarr is probably not high priority.
 

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If we're talking about backup 2/3's what about Bobby Simmons? He'll probably be a little bit expensive, especially when compared to Finley, but he's a lot younger and could be useful for longer than finley.

I suspect that Ray Allen will end up in Cleveland they have a lot more pieces in place to go deep in the playoffs. With so many FA it seems uncertain if the Sonics will have any near the team that they had last year. If that happens I can see Simmons going to Seattle and the team giving a high profile in the offense.
 

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overseascardfan said:
I think we can forget about the big names due to most of them going for big money. I'd be happy if we could get 2 or three from this list:

PG Antonio Daniels
C Dan Gadzuric
SF Donyell Marshall
SG Michael Finley
PF Shareef Abdur Rahim
PF/C Chris Anderson
PG/SG Juan Dixon

SAR is probably tired of losing, so that might have some influence where he goes. He has always been the guy who is suppose to carry a team, that will not be required in Phoenix.

Juan Dixon knows that it will probably very unlikely he will get a starting position in the league, if you are going to be a back up, might as well go where you can spell an older starter.
 

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Chaplin said:
Well you gotta assume that one of either Gadzuric or Pachulia will be available.

They both got qualifying offers so not sure
 

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They both got qualifying offers so not sure

That could be just so that the Bucks will have more leverage in sign-and-trade situations.
 

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They both got qualifying offers so not sure

That could be just so that the Bucks will have more leverage in sign-and-trade situations.

You think they'll hold out for Voskuhl?
 

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Yuma said:
Christie is a head case, but he would be a good defensive pick up. I like Kittles because he is a UFA, and when he played in NJ, he definatly could run the fast break!

Any of the bigs you guys mentioned would be great! We need at least 2, I think, for foul and injury problems. ;)

You know I had not considered that. To take that to the next level, will we see a slight to maybe noticable uptick in amount of fouls from more agressive play since an NBA team can have another guy out there banging with 6 fouls to spare. 13 dress right? The other 1 or 2 are inactive with the possibility of them being in the NBDL right?
 

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The last few times I saw Doug Christie I. was not nearly as impressed with his defense as I had been in the past. I wouldn't go near him. If they can get a guy like Michael Finley OR Gary Payton for a championship run I say go for it. If not, they need to sign some guys who are not in the twilight of their NBA careers.

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Why on earth would anyone want Casey back? He can't even do the one easy thing required of him; hit wide open 3's. What a waste that would be.
 

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ASUCHRIS said:
Why on earth would anyone want Casey back? He can't even do the one easy thing required of him; hit wide open 3's. What a waste that would be.

Casey Jacobsen did hit 41.7% on his three-point shots in 2003-04, but generally I agree with you. I don't really want him back here if he's really going to get any playing time. I wouldn't mind him on the bench... at the end... getting about his much playing time as guys like Bo outlaw and Paul Shirley did this year.

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Here's a thought, although it is probably not new. How about packaging Voshkuhl and a #1 for Pachulia or Gadzuric. It would give us another center that can play and moves Voshkuhl to another team. This same package could also be offered to another team with an extra center that the Suns like. These players would need to be signed to an extension before a trade was made. I think Pachulia is a RFA and perhaps Gazuric as well. I also like Melvin Ely who many on this board are not high on. The reason I like Pachulia is because he is still young and, IMO, has some upside.

This deal could even be sweetened with a couple of #1's (I guess one pick would have to be in non consecutive years) if the right player were available. At least it would move Jake and his salary and give the Suns a center. Anyway, it might make good use of a number one draft pick or two for a center the Suns need. It appears the Suns first round picks figure to be fairly high the next few years anyway. Perhaps it might also leave the Suns their exceptions.

Donyell Marshall might be also a good pickup if the Suns want to use an exception and his price is reasonable (if the Suns want to go this direction).

I'm not the best at figuring out these scenarios using the CBA. :)
 
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This may be the best deal we can get for Jake.

Dan Dickau (S&T) 2 year contract with team option for 3rd

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Voskuhl


Dickau would get a million dollar raise, Jake takes the spot of Chris Anderson if he takes flight.
 

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coloradosun said:
This may be the best deal we can get for Jake.

Dan Dickau (S&T) 2 year contract with team option for 3rd

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Voskuhl


Dickau would get a million dollar raise, Jake takes the spot of Chris Anderson if he takes flight.


No way that NO does this.

They may have Paul now, but Dickau would be a good backup for him. And why would they want Voskuhl when we already gave them Vroman?
 

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coloradosun said:
This may be the best deal we can get for Jake.

Dan Dickau (S&T) 2 year contract with team option for 3rd

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Voskuhl


Dickau would get a million dollar raise, Jake takes the spot of Chris Anderson if he takes flight.

I'm sorry but I have not watched much of Dickau. Would he fill the Suns need as a proven backup for Nash in the Suns style of play?

I'd prefer a big man in return for Voshkuhl but obviously the market is not that high on him. IMO, the Suns two biggest needs are at the point and the 4/5.
 

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I'm sorry but I have not watched much of Dickau. Would he fill the Suns need as a proven backup for Nash in the Suns style of play?

I'd prefer a big man in return for Voshkuhl but obviously the market is not that high on him. IMO, the Suns two biggest needs are at the point and the 4/5.
The few times I saw Dickau he played very well. I think he has a similar style to Nash. He dribbles through the lane and makes crazy passes. Obviously he's not as good as Nash, but I think the bonus would be the team wouldn't have to "adapt" it's play as much to him as another PG.
 

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Yuma said:
The few times I saw Dickau he played very well. I think he has a similar style to Nash. He dribbles through the lane and makes crazy passes. Obviously he's not as good as Nash, but I think the bonus would be the team wouldn't have to "adapt" it's play as much to him as another PG.

We do not need two Nashes on the team. We want to rededicate our offense towards Amare-centered and one Nash playing his style to 50% of last season's amount should be more than enough. We need defense and diversification of offense.
 

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We do not need two Nashes on the team. We want to rededicate our offense towards Amare-centered and one Nash playing his style to 50% of last season's amount should be more than enough. We need defense and diversification of offense.
Personally, I'd like to see JJ develop into a big PG. I really think that he and Amare playing pick and roll, etc., would be tremendous. Plus, if we got a tall SG to go with JJ, we would dominate the backcourt! :thumbup:
 

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