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[GatorAZ]

I don't want to rehash this too much but I didn't ban him initially, I just deleted his post and PM'd him, he then answered my PM, did it again, I warned him again and deleted the post, and he did it again. So he literally got 3 strikes before he was out.

I'm not sure I agree with deleting it in the first place. I didn't have a problem with him venting about being frustrated over the fact that other posters are treated differently by mods.

If he continued something that a mod told him to stop doing, like you said 3-strikes then I agree with him being banned again. With the draft so close I'm surprised he didn't tone it back a bit.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

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[Chris_Sanders]

And I didn't post that with any aggressive intent, just explaining why things are deleted / removed and why people get banned.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yeah, he has no one to blame but himself. His loss, and ours IMO, but that's life on the internets.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'm not sure I agree with deleting it in the first place. I didn't have a problem with him venting about being frustrated over the fact that other posters are treated differently by mods.

If he continued something that a mod told him to stop doing, like you said 3-strikes then I agree with him being banned again. With the draft so close I'm surprised he didn't tone it back a bit.

He doesn't learn. His bad.

 

[mojorizen7]

Nothing wrong with questioning a moderator...just don't do it in public. Common sense.

 

[Phrazbit]

He got lucky. Lets not pretend like Mcdonough made some brilliant pick based off scouting ability. He took a shot in the dark.

As demonstrated by the fact Booker didnt start. If they foresaw Bookers stardom, then he wouldve played sooner.

This is a completely absurd statement that is wildly ignorant to reality. Booker played WAAAAY more as a rookie than anyone here thought he would. As a 19 year old rookie he started 51 games and logged 27 minutes a night... I suspect that he racked up more minutes at that age than all but a handful of guys in NBA history have.

So... if anything your "playing a lot early shows the team knew what they had" theory would point to the Suns pegging Booker for superstardom.

 

[Ronin]

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[Bodha]

Nah, y'all are wrong. Picking #13 you take the highest guy on your board and cross your fingers but theres zero expectation hes an all-star.


McD is a terrible GM. As demonstrated by the fact we had the 2nd worst record in the NBA this year....do you even know what youre arguing for?

WE HAD THE 2ND WORST RECORD IN THE LEAGUE "our GM really does a good job".

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Nah, y'all are wrong. Picking #13 you take the highest guy on your board and cross your fingers but theres zero expectation hes an all-star.


McD is a terrible GM. As demonstrated by the fact we had the 2nd worst record in the NBA this year....do you even know what youre arguing for?

WE HAD THE 2ND WORST RECORD IN THE LEAGUE "our GM really does a good job".

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We have been bad, no doubt. But have to take this year with a grain of salt when you consider they finally went all-in on tanking. Played young guys serious minutes and sat uninsured vets for a lot of games. My only beef is we should have been tanking each of the last few seasons. So your 2nd worst argument is poorly played. We were ROOTING FOR LOSSES and now you're calling out the gm for them? Lame.

 

[Phrazbit]

Nah, y'all are wrong. Picking #13 you take the highest guy on your board and cross your fingers but theres zero expectation hes an all-star.


McD is a terrible GM. As demonstrated by the fact we had the 2nd worst record in the NBA this year....do you even know what youre arguing for?

WE HAD THE 2ND WORST RECORD IN THE LEAGUE "our GM really does a good job".

Yeah, keep changing your argument... cool. First it was "if they thought he was good he'd have played more", then when confronted by the fact that he played as much or more as anyone drafted at that age in NBA history... oh... now you're griping about losses in a season in which they lost deliberately. No doubt if we'd finished in the middle of the pack you'd kill him for not having been smart enough to tank.

 

[Bodha]

Yeah, keep changing your argument... cool. First it was "if they thought he was good he'd have played more", then when confronted by the fact that he played as much or more as anyone drafted at that age in NBA history... oh... now you're griping about losses in a season in which they lost deliberately. No doubt if we'd finished in the middle of the pack you'd kill him for not having been smart enough to tank.

They are 2 different topics

RE booker: McD knew Booker was going to be a star as much as the Patriots knew Tom Brady was a star. If either GM actually "knew" then they wouldve been trading up to go get them. Bookers stardom is of no doing of McD.

RE McD: We had the 2nd worst record in the league. The Phoenix Suns have never been this bad. Ever. Do bad teams have amazing HCs and GMs? No. They are most often the result of bad leadership. We have a horrible GM and a sock puppet HC.

 

[Phrazbit]

They are 2 different topics

RE booker: McD knew Booker was going to be a star as much as the Patriots knew Tom Brady was a star. If either GM actually "knew" then they wouldve been trading up to go get them. Bookers stardom is of no doing of McD.

RE McD: We had the 2nd worst record in the league. The Phoenix Suns have never been this bad. Ever. Do bad teams have amazing HCs and GMs? No. They are most often the result of bad leadership. We have a horrible GM and a sock puppet HC.

Brady was a 6th round pick, Booker was the lotto, you're comparing apples to oranges... but I suppose it is better than whining about the "lack of" playing time of a kid who posted historic minutes for a player his age.

If you don't understand why tanking happens and how many good GMs have done it... then... again... it is a denial of the realities of this league. The Thunder, Warriors, Cavs, Spurs and Celtics all shamelessly tanked and had some wretched seasons between them as part of building their teams.

 

[Bodha]

Brady was a 6th round pick, Booker was the lotto, you're comparing apples to oranges... but I suppose it is better than whining about the "lack of" playing time of a kid who posted historic minutes for a player his age.

If you don't understand why tanking happens and how many good GMs have done it... then... again... it is a denial of the realities of this league. The Thunder, Warriors, Cavs, Spurs and Celtics all shamelessly tanked and had some wretched seasons between them as part of building their teams.

You dont understand the difference between the supply of talent in the NBA vs NFL. FYI...the "NBA" lotto is generally the 1st 5 picks. The sharp decline is staggering. Heck, you can draft some Euro player #10 overall....and they dont even ever come to the NBA, and the team is fine with it. If that doesnt illustrate the difference to you, then nothing ever will.

Tanking is the art of making your suckitude count for something. But it doesnt change the fact youre garbage in the first place.

 

[devilalum]

They are 2 different topics

RE booker: McD knew Booker was going to be a star as much as the Patriots knew Tom Brady was a star. If either GM actually "knew" then they wouldve been trading up to go get them. Bookers stardom is of no doing of McD.

RE McD: We had the 2nd worst record in the league. The Phoenix Suns have never been this bad. Ever. Do bad teams have amazing HCs and GMs? No. They are most often the result of bad leadership. We have a horrible GM and a sock puppet HC.

Wrong, you can't argue both sides to try and make your point. If you want to blame him for the bad record fine but then you have to give him credit for drafting Booker. Either he's responsible for all of it or none of it.

I'm willing to give him all the credit for assembling the current roster. This year they have to start winning. IMO if they aren't in playoff contention at the break he needs to go.

 

[Bodha]

Wrong, you can't argue both sides to try and make your point. If you want to blame him for the bad record fine but then you have to give him credit for drafting Booker. Either he's responsible for all of it or none of it.

I'm willing to give him all the credit for assembling the current roster. This year they have to start winning. IMO if they aren't in playoff contention at the break he needs to go.

What do you mean both sides? They are 2 different topics.

1. Did he know Booker was going to be a star? (obviously not otherwise you dont just wait for him at #13, you move up to get them).

-If i close my eyes and fill out a bubble sheet for a med school exam. And somehow all my random dots are correct and ace it, I am therefore a brilliant doctor and am qualified to perform your brain surgery? NO. Luck and Skill are completely different things. McD got LUCKY with Booker.

2. Hes a good GM. No hes not. "This current roster" posted the 2nd worst record in the NBA.

 

[Cheesebeef]

This is rule #2 of the board. This is a straight cut and paste.

2) Moderators' decisions are final. Our moderators are all unpaid volunteers who are looking out for the best interests of our members. We want to help each and every member get the best experience possible on our board, but there will always be individuals who choose to break the rules and be banned. Moderators' decisions are final. THERE IS NO PUBLIC DISCUSSION ON THIS.

If you have a problem with a decision a moderator makes, please PM (private message) them and discuss with them the issue. We will be glad to discuss it with you there, but starting threads about it is not allowed. These threads will be closed or deleted.

Not only are moderators’ decisions final but so are their opinions as to what is offensive, inflammatory, a personal attack, profanity or just plain poor taste. Although we will make every effort to look into issues; we will not attempt to research a conflict beyond what we have seen. Otherwise you get into a circular round of "but did you go back and look at what he said to me last week".

Those folks who are unlucky enough to get a temporary ban should take their temporary ban like a man / woman and move on.

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The moderators have the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason and will use this right at their discretion.

Members with duplicate or inactive accounts will be banned or removed, at the moderator's discretion, without prior notice.

I get all of this Chris... but you kinda opened Pandora's Box with that thread about if you made the right decision with slin. I mean, that was an entire bash fest of a thread started by you and he might have felt like it was free range on this part of the board since that thread.

Just a thought.

 

[Phrazbit]

You dont understand the difference between the supply of talent in the NBA vs NFL. FYI...the "NBA" lotto is generally the 1st 5 picks. The sharp decline is staggering. Heck, you can draft some Euro player #10 overall....and they dont even ever come to the NBA, and the team is fine with it. If that doesnt illustrate the difference to you, then nothing ever will.

Tanking is the art of making your suckitude count for something. But it doesnt change the fact youre garbage in the first place.

You're comparing the 6th round of the NFL to a guy drafted 13th... yes, there is a sharper drop off but it is more like the late in the NBA 2nd round vs 6th round of the NFL. Regardless, it is semantics and you are far beyond arguing semantics with in this debate. And no one is "fine" with a 10th pick who never comes to the league. Fan bases gripe about that stuff for years.

But again, by the logic YOU used earlier the franchise did think he was going to be a star when they played him massive amounts of minutes as a 19 year old rookie... but then you found out how stunningly ignorant your point was... so you've flipped to an entirely new nonsensical measuring stick.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You're comparing the 6th round of the NFL to a guy drafted 13th... yes, there is a sharper drop off but it is more like the late in the NBA 2nd round vs 6th round of the NFL. Regardless, it is semantics and you are far beyond arguing semantics with in this debate. And no one is "fine" with a 10th pick who never comes to the league. Fan bases gripe about that stuff for years.

But again, by the logic YOU used earlier the franchise did think he was going to be a star when they played him massive amounts of minutes as a 19 year old rookie... but then you found out how stunningly ignorant your point was... so you've flipped to an entirely new nonsensical measuring stick.

why are you guys continuing to feed this guy?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I get all of this Chris... but you kinda opened Pandora's Box with that thread about if you made the right decision with slin. I mean, that was an entire bash fest of a thread started by you and he might have felt like it was free range on this part of the board since that thread.

Just a thought.

That thread was really a victim of me not knowing the new board stuff. All the moderator options changed when we moved sites.

My original request was to PM me your thoughts and people just posted instead. In retrospect, I should have just kept deleting posts there and redirecting to private communication.

Now that I know how to close a thread, that won't happen again

 

[Cheesebeef]

That thread was really a victim of me not knowing the new board stuff. All the moderator options changed when we moved sites.

My original request was to PM me your thoughts and people just posted instead. In retrospect, I should have just kept deleting posts there and redirecting to private communication.

haha! yeah... that thread got super out of hand fast!

 

[BC867]

This is a completely absurd statement that is wildly ignorant to reality. Booker played WAAAAY more as a rookie than anyone here thought he would. As a 19 year old rookie he started 51 games and logged 27 minutes a night... I suspect that he racked up more minutes at that age than all but a handful of guys in NBA history have.

So... if anything your "playing a lot early shows the team knew what they had" theory would point to the Suns pegging Booker for superstardom.

Shouldn't it be pointed out that Booker got his chance when injuries necessitated it? There was no indication that anyone running the team previously said, "This guy is going to be a star. Let's find a way to get him into the lineup."

So was it managing skill or luck that, once given the chance, he blossomed ... quickly?

Kudos to the Suns front office for having him on the roster. And to circumstances for putting him in the lineup. And, while we're at it, for the void of a legitimately positioned Guard in a backcourt of 3 or 4 tweeners.

At one point, we were saying that our teenage Shooting Guard exhibited the best Point Guard skills on the team as well, until the little guy made his appearance. That is how dysfunctional our backcourt was.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Shouldn't it be pointed out that Booker got his chance when injuries necessitated it?

Despite being the youngest player in the league he played 21 minutes on opening night.

 

[Mainstreet]

Despite being the youngest player in the league he played 21 minutes on opening night.

Here is a link for 2016-17. He played more than I thought.

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/3136193/devin-booker

 

[AzStevenCal]

Here is a link for 2016-17. He played more than I thought.

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/3136193/devin-booker

There's no question that injuries gave him the chance to play more minutes than would have had otherwise but it's also true, we used him on opening night for 21 minutes. That's almost unheard of for any rookie but especially so for the youngest player in the league. We always intended he'd be in the rotation from the beginning, multiple injuries just forced him into the starting lineup and eventually into the dominant role on the team.