NCAA Proves Once Again That They Are Frauds

[NJCardFan]

TCU, a team that played 5 ranked teams this season, blew everyone out except Baylor who beat them on a last second FG, drops from 3 to 6 and Ohio State who plays in a pathetic conference and who only played 2 ranked teams jumps ahead of them. Pure BS and nothing but a money move. Mind you, I'm not a TCU fan but they got jobbed big time and deserve to be in the final 4.

 

[AzStevenCal]

TCU, a team that played 5 ranked teams this season, blew everyone out except Baylor who beat them on a last second FG, drops from 3 to 6 and Ohio State who plays in a pathetic conference and who only played 2 ranked teams jumps ahead of them. Pure BS and nothing but a money move. Mind you, I'm not a TCU fan but they got jobbed big time and deserve to be in the final 4.

TCU got jobbed but I'd blame it on the officials not the NCAA (which has nothing to do with the current playoffs as far as I know). That loss to Baylor is what really screwed them over. TCU was clearly the better team. They lose that game because the officials decided to ignore a blatant PI against Baylor near the end of the game and then finished off their screw job by inventing a PI call against TCU that set up the winning FG. It didn't help TCU's cause (or Baylor's) that the Big 12 chose to not even pick one team over the other.

Steve

 

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Play a championship game. The Big 12 tried to be cute and got cut on the only category they lacked. Sucks for the kids but this is what happens when you try to avoid a category that was already deemed important to the committee.


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[NJCardFan]

Play a championship game. The Big 12 tried to be cute and got cut on the only category they lacked. Sucks for the kids but this is what happens when you try to avoid a category that was already deemed important to the committee.


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But TCU was #3 just yesterday. They destroy their opponent and lose 3 spots? Doesn't make sense.

 

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But TCU was #3 just yesterday. They destroy their opponent and lose 3 spots? Doesn't make sense.

I agree on that point. But FSU played a much better team and OSU crushed a much better team. The #3 ranking probably should have never happened. What makes it so shocking to people is how the committee is going week to week whereas the old system rewarded teams for early season play and made it harder for them to fall once they achieved top tier status.


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[desertdawg]

 

[RedViper]

Agreed. Its obviously worth a lot more money to have Ohio State in that game than TCU. Anyhow, anyway you push them off the bus.

 

[NJCardFan]

I agree on that point. But FSU played a much better team and OSU crushed a much better team. The #3 ranking probably should have never happened. What makes it so shocking to people is how the committee is going week to week whereas the old system rewarded teams for early season play and made it harder for them to fall once they achieved top tier status.


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All this is doing is proving that a legitimate playoff is needed. But the NCAA and their cast of conference clowns will never agree to it.

 

[AzFan13]

TCU, a team that played 5 ranked teams this season, blew everyone out except Baylor who beat them on a last second FG, drops from 3 to 6 and Ohio State who plays in a pathetic conference and who only played 2 ranked teams jumps ahead of them. Pure BS and nothing but a money move. Mind you, I'm not a TCU fan but they got jobbed big time and deserve to be in the final 4.

4 IMO does not matter. This was to fix who is number 2. You could go to 8 or 12 teams and it will be the same thing. This team should be 8 or that team 12. They went to 4 to fix the who is the number 2 team question and they did. If not who is 2? Oregon or Florida State? The 4th team or the 8th or so on is not he point they will never get that right for everyone. The point was the number 2 team did not get hosed and that is why they did it and it worked. If 4 is a big deal go to 8 and fight over 8. If I was to pick 4 it would have been Baylor they beat TCU. If they had a championship game TCU or Baylor would have got in. But IMO like I said 4 is an afterthought. To get in the right top 2 it takes 3 teams. They got the right top 2 in. Be it Alabama, Florida State or Oregon.

 

[NJCardFan]

4 does not matter. This was to fix who was number 2. You could go to 8 or 12 teams and it will be the same thing. This team should be 8 or that team 12. They went to 4 to fix the 2 question and they did. If not who is 2? Oregon or Florida State? 4 or 8 or 12 or 16 does not matter. 2 did not get hosed and that is why they did it and it worked.

Which makes my argument that the entire process was fraudulent.

 

[jmt]

Agreed. Its obviously worth a lot more money to have Ohio State in that game than TCU. Anyhow, anyway you push them off the bus.

I'm glad they got pushed off the bus - with Baylor! Adios, Texas!

 

[Azlen]

Which makes my argument that the entire process was fraudulent.

To say the entire process is fraudulent is a real overreaction. It's very difficult to argue about Alabama, Oregon, and Florida State making it. (Florida State may be the least deserving but they never lost and you can't exclude a team that does that. They also ended their season with a win over a ranked team.) There were then 3 teams that were very close that merited consideration. Of the three, Ohio State had the most dominant win yesterday against a ranked opponent and the Big 12 did themselves no favors by declaring co-champions and not having a title game. Really the conference whose motto was "One True Champion" was the only power conference that didn't. TCU and Baylor had arguments to be included as did Ohio State. That Ohio State was the team that ended up being picked is far from the whole process being fraudulent.

 

[AzFan13]

Which makes my argument that the entire process was fraudulent.

Not as I see it. Go to 100 teams 101 could be 100 so it's still as you say fraudulent. The first team or 3 out will always feel hosed. They got the top 2 teams in that 4. If people want more go to 8. The last team in is a waste of time topic IMO people will never agree.

 

[Buckybird]

Play a championship game. The Big 12 tried to be cute and got cut on the only category they lacked. Sucks for the kids but this is what happens when you try to avoid a category that was already deemed important to the committee.


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Then the committee should state that each team must win it's conference playoff championship! Tell me where that's part of the formula? This is clearly the bull **** committees fault & all politics.

Tcu was #3 last week & they win by 55 the next week & now they're aren't good enough? Gimmie a break.

The committee clearly voted for tradition, mystique, $$$ (marketin) & for "THE" Ohio St over a relatively no name program that doesn't have history on its side. I personally think Baylor should've been in given H2H, but no way the Bucs should've been in over the Frogs or Bears IMO.

I guarantee you if either the Bears or Frogs were named Texas, The U, USC or ND they would've been in the playoff under the same circumstances including schedule.

 

[Buckybird]

Btw having Condelezza Rice on the committee proves how BS this committee & process is!!!

 

[AzFan13]

Then the committee should state that each team must win it's conference playoff championship! Tell me where that's part of the formula? This is clearly the bull **** committees fault & all politics.

They said all along that would be a "part" of it. The 3 were so close I have zero doubt if they had one as we know to would have been Baylor and TCU. The winner would have been in. A top 10 a worst added win and a out right big 5 conference title.


First one listed.

When circumstances at the margins indicate that teams are comparable, then the following criteria must be considered:

• Championships won
• Strength of schedule
• Head-to-head competition (if it occurred)
• Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory)

http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/selection-committee-protocol

 

[AzStevenCal]

Then the committee should state that each team must win it's conference playoff championship! Tell me where that's part of the formula? This is clearly the bull **** committees fault & all politics.

Tcu was #3 last week & they win by 55 the next week & now they're aren't good enough? Gimmie a break.

The committee clearly voted for tradition, mystique, $$$ (marketin) & for "THE" Ohio St over a relatively no name program that doesn't have history on its side. I personally think Baylor should've been in given H2H, but no way the Bucs should've been in over the Frogs or Bears IMO.

I guarantee you if either the Bears or Frogs were named Texas, The U, USC or ND they would've been in the playoff under the same circumstances including schedule.

There is no doubt that Ohio State was gifted a spot because of their value to the process more than their performance on the field. But the Big 12 made it easy on the committee by refusing to name one team over the other. That fact coupled with the piss poor refereeing in the Baylor/TCU contributed heavily to the final selection. As has been said before though, big deal, so what if the 4th spot is debatable? It's a step up from what it used to be and I'd be surprised if it doesn't grow into at least an 8 team field in a few years. But at least we've reached the point where we're arguing over the 4th best team instead of the National Champion.

Steve

 

[AzFan13]

There is no doubt that Ohio State was gifted a spot because of their value to the process more than their performance on the field. But the Big 12 made it easy on the committee by refusing to name one team over the other. That fact coupled with the piss poor refereeing in the Baylor/TCU contributed heavily to the final selection. As has been said before though, big deal, so what if the 4th spot is debatable? It's a step up from what it used to be and I'd be surprised if it doesn't grow into at least an 8 team field in a few years. But at least we've reached the point where we're arguing over the 4th best team instead of the National Champion.

Steve

IMO that was the goal. I'm all in for 8 teams.

 

[AzStevenCal]

IMO that was the goal. I'm all in for 8 teams.

Yeah, I think they just took the baby step so as not to overly frighten the Golden Bowl Goose. They'll get to the 8 game format fairly soon.

Steve

 

[NJCardFan]

To say the entire process is fraudulent is a real overreaction. It's very difficult to argue about Alabama, Oregon, and Florida State making it. (Florida State may be the least deserving but they never lost and you can't exclude a team that does that. They also ended their season with a win over a ranked team.) There were then 3 teams that were very close that merited consideration. Of the three, Ohio State had the most dominant win yesterday against a ranked opponent and the Big 12 did themselves no favors by declaring co-champions and not having a title game. Really the conference whose motto was "One True Champion" was the only power conference that didn't. TCU and Baylor had arguments to be included as did Ohio State. That Ohio State was the team that ended up being picked is far from the whole process being fraudulent.

It is fraudulent when this same committee puts TCU at #3 one week then they win their last game convincingly and this committee drops them 3 spots. How did they get worse in 1 week by winning by 52 points?

 

[Cards_Campos]

Then the committee should state that each team must win it's conference playoff championship! Tell me where that's part of the formula? This is clearly the bull **** committees fault & all politics.

Tcu was #3 last week & they win by 55 the next week & now they're aren't good enough? Gimmie a break.

The committee clearly voted for tradition, mystique, $$$ (marketin) & for "THE" Ohio St over a relatively no name program that doesn't have history on its side. I personally think Baylor should've been in given H2H, but no way the Bucs should've been in over the Frogs or Bears IMO.

I guarantee you if either the Bears or Frogs were named Texas, The U, USC or ND they would've been in the playoff under the same circumstances including schedule.

Completely wrong!!! It states clearly and if you want to look it up....Google the college football playoff bylaws.

It states conference championships are number 1 criteria. If and only if you can't distinguish between 2 conference champions or a conference doesn't have a championship. Then use other criteria like head to head or strength of schedule. Once Ohio state won it was a moot point. If Ohio state had lost then the debates of head to head and schedule could be used!!!

What everyone isn't understanding and they have explained it a thousand times. Imagine a runner who is leading with 100 yards to go in a race. They are ranked at that point!!! Nothing else. But where they finish is different. As of last week FSU and OSU had Not won titles so at that point. TCU's resume is better. But once FSU you won and OSU won. Their resumes became better.

 

[NJCardFan]

They said all along that would be a "part" of it. The 3 were so close I have zero doubt if they had one as we know to would have been Baylor and TCU. The winner would have been in. A top 10 a worst added win and a out right big 5 conference title.


First one listed.


http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/selection-committee-protocol

Then how does Baylor not get in? They had a tougher schedule than OSU, played more ranked teams than OSU, and they won their conference. The truth is, this was politics 101. They wanted a bigger TV draw than Baylor or TCU.

 

[Cards_Campos]

It is fraudulent when this same committee puts TCU at #3 one week then they win their last game convincingly and this committee drops them 3 spots. How did they get worse in 1 week by winning by 52 points?

Let's put it this way. If they gave ranking points based on who you beat and bonus points for conference championships. So say you got 30 points for beating a ranked team and 10 bonus points for title. But only get 5 points for beating a 2-9 team like TCU did. Last week TCU could have had a total of 300 points while FSU had 290 and OhIo state 275.

After this weekend. TCU gained only 5 points while FSU and Ohio State gained 40!!! Hence TCU fell behind. Pretty easy really

 

[Cards_Campos]

Then how does Baylor not get in? They had a tougher schedule than OSU, played more ranked teams than OSU, and they won their conference. The truth is, this was politics 101. They wanted a bigger TV draw than Baylor or TCU.

Wrong again. OSU beat 9 bowl eligible teams. Baylor 5. OSU schedule strength 42. Baylor. 51. Keep finding excuses. But it's all there

 

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All this is doing is proving that a legitimate playoff is needed. But the NCAA and their cast of conference clowns will never agree to it.

It needs to be 8 teams or better. No question.


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