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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

This is one of the reasons I like Dudley, enough to parrot his tweets here for the past 2 days. They're related to the Suns and the offseason is slow, so whatever. Anyways, a fan site asked if he should be in the Ring of Honor and he chimed in saying no. Not many players are that honest about what they have to offer, or what they're not able to do.

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I agree with you 100% here. But the question was kind of a dumb one to begin with. Ring of honor?!?

 

[Hoop Head]

I agree with you 100% here. But the question was kind of a dumb one to begin with. Ring of honor?!?

The only way that's happening is if he actually follows through with what he's previously said about how he'd like to come back and be a commentator until he can join the coaching bench as an assistant. He's said he would be happy with a Dan Majerle sort of career trajectory. Of course Majerle hasn't been a head coach here, yet, and was also an All-Star as a Sun. Doing that would go a long way for making a real case for him. He wouldn't be a lock by any means but that would make the idea sound better. As a player, he hasn't earned it and there's no way that could be spun in his favor. He'd need to do more with the organization after his playing days are over to get a Ring of Honor spot. Right now he's only earned to a bobblehead night, IMO. First 10,000 fans get a Dudley bobblehead!

The truth is he's only high on some all time lists and rankings is because he played here for 7 years and the Suns don't typically keep players that long. If you were to compare the average amount of time the Suns keep a player to other teams that have been around for 4 or 5 decades, they probably have one of the shorter averages of years a player is here. Very few players made it to 7 season, even fewer played here throughout their whole career. Going back to the 60's, 70's, and 80's when player movement wasn't as common there was high turnover on the team. Most Ring of Honor members played a similar number of years as Dudley here, especially the younger guys like Majerle, Tom Chambers, Barkley, and even Nash. Nash only played 10 of his 18 years here. I think a big part of that turnover was Colangelo's never ending quest to improve the team and compete.

I don't know if I can find that info easily but I'm going to research that some. I'll post the findings if I do come across more info. Even going back to the 60's, 70's, and 80's when player movement wasn't as common there was high turnover. Most of Ring of Honor members now have similar number of years here, especially the younger guys like Majerle, Tom Chambers, Barkley, and even Nash only played 10 of his 18 years here.

 

[leclerc]

Love the guy but he's not ring of honor material.

 

[slinslin]

Jason Kidd is not in the Ring of Honor which is a travesty considering who is in and considering Kidd was an all-nba first team player 3 straight seasons for the Suns.

 

[Covert Rain]

Jason Kidd is not in the Ring of Honor which is a travesty considering who is in and considering Kidd was an all-nba first team player 3 straight seasons for the Suns.

It's not. It's really not.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Jason Kidd is not in the Ring of Honor which is a travesty considering who is in and considering Kidd was an all-nba first team player 3 straight seasons for the Suns.

Travesties just aren't what they used to be. It's the 3 years (309 games actually) that probably tells the story on why Kidd isn't in the HOF. Connie got in even though he only played 311 games with us but he impacted the state of the Suns almost as much as Chuck did. Jason played something like 22% of his NBA games with the Suns. We made the playoffs all 5 seasons that he was with us but we were dismissed in the first round each year except for the season the Lakers hammered us in the second round. I see no compelling reason to put him up there although I wouldn't be against it either.

 

[Covert Rain]

Travesties just aren't what they used to be. It's the 3 years (309 games actually) that probably tells the story on why Kidd isn't in the HOF. Connie got in even though he only played 311 games with us but he impacted the state of the Suns almost as much as Chuck did. Jason played something like 22% of his NBA games with the Suns. We made the playoffs all 5 seasons that he was with us but we were dismissed in the first round each year except for the season the Lakers hammered us in the second round. I see no compelling reason to put him up there although I wouldn't be against it either.

I have a different standard but I am pretty harsh on these things. Hitting your wife is reason enough for me to not put him in the ring of honor. Look, players are not always model citizens. I have seen guys get DUI's, busted for smoking pot etc. etc. I think someone doesn't have to be a model citizen to get up there for sure.

I draw the line at smacking your wife but that is just me. There is nothing honorable about that.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I have a different standard but I am pretty harsh on these things. Hitting your wife is reason enough for me to not put him in the ring of honor. Look, players are not always model citizens. I have seen guys get DUI's, busted for smoking pot etc. etc. I think someone doesn't have to be a model citizen to get up there for sure.

I draw the line at smacking your wife but that is just me. There is nothing honorable about that.

I'd be okay with keeping him out for that reason too. But this incident is less black and white than most spousal abuse incidents (still wrong, just not as black and white). Regardless, I don't condone any form of bullying, whether it's man vs woman or not. And I can't say I'm too fond of some of the other things he's done along the way (such as getting Campanelli fired or his coaching exit with the Nets).

 

[JCSunsfan]

Jason Kidd is not in the Ring of Honor which is a travesty considering who is in and considering Kidd was an all-nba first team player 3 straight seasons for the Suns.

Kidd does not belong in the ring of honor. He had a cup of coffee here (OK, that is an exaggeration, a small portion of his career), he left under negative circumstances, and he ripped the city in one of the most classic comments ever as he left (one horse town).

Why don't you post a poll and see who believes he should be there? Its the off-season, we might as well argue about something new.

 

[Phrazbit]

Jason Kidd is not in the Ring of Honor which is a travesty considering who is in and considering Kidd was an all-nba first team player 3 straight seasons for the Suns.

He also ripped on the city and flipped off the fans.

Kidd can go suck on a lemon.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

He also ripped on the city and flipped off the fans.

Kidd can go suck on a lemon.

He was ushered out of town after slapping his wife. Not gonna get ROH...it's that simple.

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[Hoop Head]

The only travesty Kidd could be part of involving the Suns is if they decided to add him to the Ring, that would be a travesty. Kidd was traded away because he beat his wife. I know there's a new owner but to ignore why he was sent packing and place him in the Ring of Honor would be an idiotic move by Sarver.

I attended the game when Nash went in and I'm sure the majority of Suns fans saw the induction either live or on Youtube since. I don't think they could even sell out a game while putting Kidd in and I can only imagine who they'd bring back to help "honor" him. It would be a joke, honestly, and I'm not just saying that because of how he left. He had a few good years here but so has quite a few players that aren't in and aren't considered to be inducted either.

I'd support Marbury going in long before Kidd. Then there are other players like Marion and Stoudemire who should definitely be added before Kidd and I don't even think that's much of a debate, while Marbury may be.

 

[leclerc]

Yeah, go suck it, Kidd!

 

[Superbone]

He also ripped on the city and flipped off the fans.

Kidd can go suck on a lemon.

Right. Why would you put somebody in the Ring Of Honor that left unhonorably?

 

[sunsfan88]

Jason Kidd is not in the Ring of Honor which is a travesty considering who is in and considering Kidd was an all-nba first team player 3 straight seasons for the Suns.

He was also an all-douche first team for most of his tenure with the Suns.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Kidd belongs nowhere NEAR the ring of honor for the Suns. Constant first round exits (only time we got out of the 1st round, Kidd only played in one game), never elevating his game in the playoffs and smacking his wife in the face over french fries? There's no honor in ANY of that.

 

[elindholm]

It's the Ring of Honor, not the Ring of Nice Bench Guys who Sometimes Worked Hard. Whoever asked Dudley about whether he should be in was probably baiting him.

 

[Phrazbit]

It's the Ring of Honor, not the Ring of Nice Bench Guys who Sometimes Worked Hard. Whoever asked Dudley about whether he should be in was probably baiting him.

They probably should have used a burger.

 

[Hoop Head]

It's the Ring of Honor, not the Ring of Nice Bench Guys who Sometimes Worked Hard. Whoever asked Dudley about whether he should be in was probably baiting him.

Nobody asked him, it was the Valley of the Suns twitter asking fans. I think the only reason they did was to get Dudley to respond to their tweet though. Dudley responds to a lot of tweets though so it wasn't anything to brag about and it wasn't going to help them gain followers or be taken seriously. It's a month into the offseason. There's nothing else to do until training camp starts. This is a lesson in how bored fans can get, they start rationalizing Dudley being in the Ring of Honor to pass the time.

 

[Hoop Head]

Dudley was on Woj's podcast talking about the future of the Suns. Worth listening to since the offseason is long.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/...ng-phoenix-suns-brooklyn-nets-nba-free-agency

 

[sdscard4]

Shoot I'm putting D Manning and Uncle Cliffy and Grant Hill in before Kidd and Duds

 

[boisesuns]

When's Robert Horry towel night?

 

[leclerc]

We could have a Raja Bell clothesline night though. Down goes the mamba.

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[Mainstreet]

@Poop Head

I listened to most of the podcast until I lost it near the end. Here is my takeaway.

We all know the NBA is a business but it appears it was more so with him than I thought. It seems Dudley's priority was finding another place where he could play. This was important to him... to keep playing which is understandable.

He felt the coaching changes made his mentoring role more chaotic. A buyout was never an option as he was not willing to give up money. I found this a bit disappointing because I never thought he was worth the 3 year, $30 million deal the Suns paid him.

Also he seemed to feel the Suns should have gone after Kyrie likely at the cost of Josh Jackson. He respects Toronto for going after Kawhi... taking the chance. He notes it is easier to acquire a third star with two stars in place which is true. However, I do not recall Dudley's answer when Woj said Kyrie could have walked.

“My thing is, we’ll see five years down the road if that’s not the right decision,” Dudley told Wojnarowski. “Players (in free agency) will play in Phoenix. They could have had Kyrie. Now you’re basing (future success) on, if Deandre Ayton or Josh Jackson doesn’t hit, it’s tough now to reach that pinnacle unless they’re traded for a star.”

He also talked about how stars talk about organizations and their practice regimen. And now players are able to move around while they are still young. Star players are more vocal and they wield a lot of power.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/...ng-phoenix-suns-brooklyn-nets-nba-free-agency


I wish there was a transcript of the whole interview. I guess I came away from the podcast more cynical. Perhaps the Suns were better to part ways with him... maybe even earlier.

 

[SunsTzu]

He also ripped on the city and flipped off the fans.

Kidd can go suck on a lemon.

I'm still troubled that he got a HC interview after his history with the team. I'm not sure if it was McDonough's choice or if Sarver made it happen the way his buddy Gambo was trying to sell Kidd, but whoever it was that thought Kidd was a legitimate candidate for the team is completely tone deaf to how the vast majority of the fan base feels about him.

Maybe if he was an elite coach you could sell it, but his coaching tenure reeks of the same immaturity he showed as a player.