Nets @ Suns

[AzStevenCal]

That would be absurdly lopsided in favor of the Suns. Hill and a second-round pick is the highest the Lakers might go.

I think that's a horrible underpay. If they have interest in Bledsoe, he's worth far more to them than a marginal Hill. Of course, If Eric doesn't start cutting down on his turnovers they might not have any interest regardless of cost.

That's also the earliest Bledsoe can be traded, I think -- or close to then, anyway.

I would have thought he wouldn't be available until after the season? Otherwise it seems to render moot the supposed home team protection of this CBA.

Steve

 

[SirStefan32]

That would be absurdly lopsided in favor of the Suns. Hill and a second-round pick is the highest the Lakers might go.

I am not a Bledsoe fan, but that seems really low. I'd still do the trade if no better offer was available because the Suns need to get rid of that contract, but there's got to be a better offer out there.

 

[Shaggy]

Green is such a frustrating player in a good and bad way.

Our entire team has incredibly low basketball IQ. It's amazing that we won this game and that we're 5-3.

I haven't seen ever seen a Suns team with worse clock managment skills than the Suns. Hornacek nearly came on to the court to tell at them telling them to slow the **** down.

Yea, that was a horrible 45 sec in at the end of the 3rd qt. Nets score like 7 points within 25 seconds it seemed.

 

[WildBB]

much better last few games with the centers getting 2nd half minutes.

 

[Hoop Head]

I am not a Bledsoe fan, but that seems really low. I'd still do the trade if no better offer was available because the Suns need to get rid of that contract, but there's got to be a better offer out there.

Agreed, I don't see how someone could value Bledsoe that low based on an iffy start to the season. He had a solid year last year, when he played, and most likely would have received a max offer in free agency if he wasn't restricted. Saying he's only worth an overpaid, career backup plus a 2nd round pick is absurd because that basis is only on this season. By that logic we should be able to pick up Lebron from Cleveland for Tucker and a 1st.

 

[JS22]

I think he'd be happy in LA. I am not sure what the Lakers have that Phoenix is interested in.

Yeah, that's the problem.

 

[Absolute Zero]

Bledsoe was huge in the 3rd quarter and was instrumental in getting us back in the game.

Hornacek stuck with Green and IT in the 4th, they were so hot, it made sense to leave them in. He eventually brought Dragic back in to finish the game with Green and IT still on the floor. That's about as small as you can go against the Nets.

With so many talented guards, if someone gets hot, someone is going to get left out of the mix down the stretch. Last night it was Bledsoe. Other nights, its Dragic. Green isn't going to play like he did last night every night. But I don't see IT cooling off anytime soon. The dude is amazing and no one can stop him.

Having so many strong guards is a benefit. I don't see Bledsoe or anyone getting traded anytime soon. Trading Bledsoe would be a stupid move.

 

[elindholm]

I am not a Bledsoe fan, but that seems really low. I'd still do the trade if no better offer was available because the Suns need to get rid of that contract, but there's got to be a better offer out there.

Maybe I value Hill a lot more than you do. He's 27 and putting up very solid numbers (13.6/9.3) now that he's a full-time starter. He plays a position that is in higher demand across the league than Bledsoe does. I doubt the Lakers would make him available, but if they did, he's more appealing than any other big the Suns might have a chance to get.

If Bledsoe can't establish himself as someone who needs to be on the floor during crunch time, his trade value will evaporate. The Suns got him for cheap a year ago; since that time, he has played half a season, shown the same strengths and weaknesses that everyone already knew about, and acquired a huge contract. I think that this board hugely overestimates how highly Bledsoe is regarded by the league. Heck, it's quickly becoming evident that even his own team isn't that high on him.

 

[JCSunsfan]

That would be absurdly lopsided in favor of the Suns. Hill and a second-round pick is the highest the Lakers might go.



That's also the earliest Bledsoe can be traded, I think -- or close to then, anyway.

No way. Hill does not have that much value. You are asserting absurdly low value for Bledsoe.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think he'd be happy in LA. I am not sure what the Lakers have that Phoenix is interested in.

removing lotto protection from their pick this year is about it. but I don't know if they'd give up a possible first pick in the draft for Bledsoe. at this point, I sure as hell wouldn't.

then again, Fredo Buss is an idiot so anything's possible.

maybe they figure they can get Bledsoe, then with cap room next summer they can add a big piece (like a Marc Gasol) and then look for one last run with Bledsoe, Kobe, whoever, Randle and Gasol.

who knows.

 

[AzStevenCal]

removing lotto protection from their pick this year is about it. but I don't know if they'd give up a possible first pick in the draft for Bledsoe. at this point, I sure as hell wouldn't.

then again, Fredo Buss is an idiot so anything's possible.

maybe they figure they can get Bledsoe, then with cap room next summer they can add a big piece (like a Marc Gasol) and then look for one last run with Bledsoe, Kobe, whoever, Randle and Gasol.

who knows.

He's had maybe 7 good quarters in 8 games, that is worrisome. But I think it's far too early to toss him in the bargain bin.

Steve

 

[SirStefan32]

Maybe I value Hill a lot more than you do. He's 27 and putting up very solid numbers (13.6/9.3) now that he's a full-time starter. He plays a position that is in higher demand across the league than Bledsoe does. I doubt the Lakers would make him available, but if they did, he's more appealing than any other big the Suns might have a chance to get.

If Bledsoe can't establish himself as someone who needs to be on the floor during crunch time, his trade value will evaporate. The Suns got him for cheap a year ago; since that time, he has played half a season, shown the same strengths and weaknesses that everyone already knew about, and acquired a huge contract. I think that this board hugely overestimates how highly Bledsoe is regarded by the league. Heck, it's quickly becoming evident that even his own team isn't that high on him.

I agree about Bledsoe being overvalued on this board, and I suppose that may be affecting me as well. Hill is starting to look like a real Center/ big PF, and he does have the ability to shoot jumpers in addition to rebounding, put-backs, and even some low-post game. Add to that the fact that the Suns would be getting rid of an atrocious five-year contract, and that swap actually becomes reasonable.

 

[Mainstreet]

He's had maybe 7 good quarters in 8 games, that is worrisome. But I think it's far too early to toss him in the bargain bin.

Steve

I know what you are saying but Bledsoe is far from a bargain with the Suns signing him to a 5 year, 70 million dollar contract. Actually if his play does not improve he has a negative value. I'm one Suns fan hoping that he gets his act together so he will be looked upon as a trade asset if team chemistry goes south.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I know what you are saying but Bledsoe is far from a bargain with the Suns signing him to a 5 year, 70 million dollar contract. Actually if his play does not improve he has a negative value. I'm one Suns fan hoping that he gets his act together so he will be looked upon as a trade asset if team chemistry goes south.

He's not playing like he did last year, neither is Goran. Dragic is slowly getting closer to his mark but Bledsoe really isn't. But the simple fact that he did play better last year should give us plenty of reason for hope. His PER is down almost 4 points (Goran's is down almost 6 points), his turnover rate is up and so on but he's still giving effort. And he's clearly down on himself which is never a good thing. But I don't think we can trade Eric until after the season so we really need him and Jeff to figure things out.

Steve

 

[BC867]

He's not playing like he did last year, neither is Goran. Dragic is slowly getting closer to his mark but Bledsoe really isn't ...

But I don't think we can trade Eric until after the season so we really need him and Jeff to figure things out.

And if they can't . . . Horny's obligation is to the Suns and its fans, not to any one player.

I am certainly not a basketball expert, but if I could realize (and post) that we should not have re-signed Bledsoe, why couldn't the Suns brass have anticipated this.

Eric came here to be 'the man' and found someone ahead of him in line. And now he has two ahead of him. Three counting Green.

If it was all based upon his defense, someone didn't do their homework.

Anyway, we have a solid three-guard rotation, even if the 4th man still starts. Hopefully, some team will be suckered into a trade by showcasing Mr. Turnover (until the game is on the line).

 

[Phrazbit]

Eight games deep, we're 5-3 and people are calling for us to blow it up because after 2 weeks our guard rotation isn't settled and a few guys are struggling.

I knew the hate of Bledsoe was going to increase with his contract but to see him now being considered a negative asset is laughable. Meanwhile Dragic has a lower PER... if the same standard were applied to him there would be posts clamoring for us to trade him while we can because he obviously is not worth resigning as a free agent

We're winning more often than losing while the rotations and roles are still clearly in flux. I can accept that.

I think Thomas is doing the best because his job is clear; come off the bench and score score score. Bledsoe meanwhile is clearly pressing and forcing things, especially his passes in trying to facilitate, rather than being a bull like he was last year and attacking the basket. Dragic has fluctuated between being way too passive and standing off to the side or forcing himself into the lane and trying to hit double teamed floaters, but he has started to find himself the last couple nights.

I agree that it would be easier for these guys to find their role if one guard was out of the picture, and arguably if any of them were removed the whole would probably play better at the moment. I still think that Gerald Green is, by far, the most likely guy to get shipped out. I know that will really piss off the "traditional team" crowd. Green is a Jekyll/Hyde player who brings nothing to the table but his own scoring and long term financially makes the most sense to move.

 

[Mainstreet]

He's not playing like he did last year, neither is Goran. Dragic is slowly getting closer to his mark but Bledsoe really isn't. But the simple fact that he did play better last year should give us plenty of reason for hope. His PER is down almost 4 points (Goran's is down almost 6 points), his turnover rate is up and so on but he's still giving effort. And he's clearly down on himself which is never a good thing. But I don't think we can trade Eric until after the season so we really need him and Jeff to figure things out.

Steve

I think we are in agreement that Bledsoe needs to show he is worth his contract. It would be best for all concerned that Bledsoe lives up to his potential and remain in a Suns uniform for the foreseeable future. Ironically, it can be argued that IT is the Suns best PG thus far this season.

 

[BC867]

I still think that Gerald Green is, by far, the most likely guy to get shipped out. I know that will really piss off the "traditional team" crowd. Green is a Jekyll/Hyde player who brings nothing to the table but his own scoring and long term financially makes the most sense to move.

As I posted recently, every good team needs instant offense off the bench. Last season Green even went beyond that by doing better when Bledsoe went down and he became a starter.

If Green at best is instant offense off the bench, at least he is not a tweener (like Leandro Barbosa). Green has the size of a legitimate Wing.

For that reason, I don't think he is the most likely guy to get shipped out.

 

[Mainstreet]

Eight games deep, we're 5-3 and people are calling for us to blow it up because after 2 weeks our guard rotation isn't settled and a few guys are struggling.

I knew the hate of Bledsoe was going to increase with his contract but to see him now being considered a negative asset is laughable. Meanwhile Dragic has a lower PER... if the same standard were applied to him there would be posts clamoring for us to trade him while we can because he obviously is not worth resigning as a free agent

We're winning more often than losing while the rotations and roles are still clearly in flux. I can accept that.

I think Thomas is doing the best because his job is clear; come off the bench and score score score. Bledsoe meanwhile is clearly pressing and forcing things, especially his passes in trying to facilitate, rather than being a bull like he was last year and attacking the basket. Dragic has fluctuated between being way too passive and standing off to the side or forcing himself into the lane and trying to hit double teamed floaters, but he has started to find himself the last couple nights.

I agree that it would be easier for these guys to find their role if one guard was out of the picture, and arguably if any of them were removed the whole would probably play better at the moment. I still think that Gerald Green is, by far, the most likely guy to get shipped out. I know that will really piss off the "traditional team" crowd. Green is a Jekyll/Hyde player who brings nothing to the table but his own scoring and long term financially makes the most sense to move.

I think is is best to use quotes in context to get the essence of a post or posts.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Eight games deep, we're 5-3 and people are calling for us to blow it up because after 2 weeks our guard rotation isn't settled and a few guys are struggling.

I knew the hate of Bledsoe was going to increase with his contract but to see him now being considered a negative asset is laughable. Meanwhile Dragic has a lower PER... if the same standard were applied to him there would be posts clamoring for us to trade him while we can because he obviously is not worth resigning as a free agent

We're winning more often than losing while the rotations and roles are still clearly in flux. I can accept that.

I think Thomas is doing the best because his job is clear; come off the bench and score score score. Bledsoe meanwhile is clearly pressing and forcing things, especially his passes in trying to facilitate, rather than being a bull like he was last year and attacking the basket. Dragic has fluctuated between being way too passive and standing off to the side or forcing himself into the lane and trying to hit double teamed floaters, but he has started to find himself the last couple nights.

I agree that it would be easier for these guys to find their role if one guard was out of the picture, and arguably if any of them were removed the whole would probably play better at the moment. I still think that Gerald Green is, by far, the most likely guy to get shipped out. I know that will really piss off the "traditional team" crowd. Green is a Jekyll/Hyde player who brings nothing to the table but his own scoring and long term financially makes the most sense to move.

I agree with mostly all of this... However, at some point - very soon - Bledsoe is going to have to show improvement. It's ridiculous that we're paying a guy $14 million a year, and he can't play the final 8 minutes of the game! We've won 5 games IN SPITE of Bledsoe... So he's gonna have to turn things around soon, or, the current murmurs will become quite loud...

 

[BC867]

On a lighter note . . .

I find it interesting that too many Suns fans are satisfied with tweener Guards, tweener Power Forwards and a weak Center and now want to get ride of Gerald Green, a true Wing.

Perhaps the Suns should convert to being a hockey team. Hey, maybe MVSteve would sign on as coach.

 

[Mainstreet]

On a lighter note . . .

I find it interesting that too many Suns fans are satisfied with tweener Guards, tweener Power Forwards and a weak Center and now want to get ride of Gerald Green, a true Wing.

Perhaps the Suns should convert to being a hockey team. Hey, maybe MVSteve would sign on as coach.

Who is advocating getting rid of Green?

 

[Superbone]

http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...hoenix-suns-roar-past-brooklyn-nets/18954039/

Much like the Suns win at the Los Angeles Lakers when Eric Bledsoe played 21 minutes, he logged only 23 minutes Wednesday night and was alone in his lack of enthusiasm on the bench for a victorious fourth quarter.

Bledsoe's perimeter defense helped set a tone for the turnaround like it did Sunday against Stephen Curry. Bledsoe exited after his seventh turnover, just a week after he had a career-high nine turnovers against Memphis.

I can think of 70 Mil reasons he could at least be happy for his teammates.

 

[Absolute Zero]

I agree with mostly all of this... However, at some point - very soon - Bledsoe is going to have to show improvement. It's ridiculous that we're paying a guy $14 million a year, and he can't play the final 8 minutes of the game! We've won 5 games IN SPITE of Bledsoe... So he's gonna have to turn things around soon, or, the current murmurs will become quite loud...

Well I must disagree with your assertion that Bledsoe didn't contribute to the 5 wins. I watched last night's game for example, and despite his turnovers, Bledsoe was integral in us getting back in the game in the 3rd quarter. Unlike the first half, he put up about 9 points, 3 rebounds and a couple of assists in the 3rd.

In the first game when we beat LA, he put up 16 points, 9 assists, 6 rebounds and was +28
When we beat the Spurs, he was on the floor toward the end of the game, and hit 2 free throws to ice the game.
He only had 21 minutes the next time we beat LA as IT and Green again took over the scoring.
He didn't do much in the win over the Warriors and again his minutes were pretty low.

So he did contribute significantly in most of our wins. In the ones he didn't, this early in the season, I chalk it up to these guys still getting used to the new rotations and some stellar play by some of the other guards which is taking away his minutes.

As such, it is wrong to say "he can't play the last 8 minutes of the game". He can and has and he will. But last night Hornecek chose to stick with IT and Green as they were en fuego. I am sure that will happen again, but I also think his game will pick up as the season progresses.

 

[SirStefan32]

http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...hoenix-suns-roar-past-brooklyn-nets/18954039/



I can think of 70 Mil reasons he could at least be happy for his teammates.

I don't think Bledsoe cares about anyone but Bledsoe.