I agree with that. My point is this. If you are saying that we dont have one serviceable olineman, and an upgrade in coaching isnt gonna help this line, then the only way to fix it is to obtain better talent. How exacty are you gonna do this in one off season. Especially an off season as devoid of olineman as this one?
Are you saying Loney , whom you yourself felt was a good aquistion, cant teach these guys how to block? If so, then no matter who you bring isnt going to fair much better.
My arguement is simply this. This oline is a mess. Green has made it a mess. We have tried to 1. Draft more talent-that hasnt worked, 2. get an experienced oline coach-that hasnt worked. Then whats left but to start over and begin looking at the oline through another coaches eyes and draft/fa pick up the talent neccessary.
If we are saying we have zero olineman on this team that can be that cornerstone (which by the way I think you underestimate what Tauscher and Clifton bring to that line) that we need to address all 5 positions.
Remember, I am going under the premise here that not one of our lineman is a capable starter (Big wont be here, Ross is a turnstile, Wells cant run block, Step is, well, step, and Brown has faired mediocre at best) I just dont get how people think we can cast away all these guys, hire new coaches, and still be a serviceable oline in one off season.
I don't agree they all stink. I think much of it is Green's scheme that he insists we use. Remember he fired Wylie because "we didn't see eye to eye." Loney is a proven OL coach, I think he's simply some poor kid in debate class who drew the short straw and now has to argue the con on something that the entire world is going to disagree with.
I think Ross stinks, Step stinks, Big is a guard, Wells is a C or a T not a guard. Lutui apparently either Loney doesn't like to play rookies or he's not ready but I think he's going to be a pretty good run blocker. Not impressed with either Brown. Leckey, so far he's ok, nothing special, seems better than Step, with better guards he might be passable, definitely worth keeping for depth.
I think we need for sure 2 and maybe 3 new starters. Tauscher per snap stats looks pretty good, very few sacks or false starts. Clifton is a mess, gives up a normal amount of sacks but has 22 false starts in his last 3 seasons (7, 7, 8). Seems to me he's no better than Big, if he were a Cardinal we'd all be screaming for his head.
I really think it doesn't matter who we put on the OL until we get rid of Green's system and let the OL coach actually coach the OL. I'm not at all convinced any of his OL coaches had a whole lot of input on any of that from scheme to player selection etc. I hear Rob Ryan essentially admit that they can tell by formation whether we're running or passing I think that's green's fault. I read where someone analyzing the Bears debacle says they can tell by formation if it's a run, and where it's going, and I blame that on Green again. This is the same guy that used the same illegal formation THREE times in a game and was still arguing with the refs about it after his ROOKIE QB called TO to avoid the 3rd penalty.
Green seems to think you simply line up and win man to man, he doesn't seem to think schemes are necessary, only wimps do misdirection or play action or get creative with blocking schemes.