New Jeresy firesale? Carter and Kidd on the block?

[slinslin]

Since when is rebounding a priority for a SG?

It's not but its a factor. We are one of the worst rebounding teams in the league, we should be one of the best with Amare and Marion, part of that is that Bell and Diaw are not doing the job on the boards. Raja Bell is probably the worst rebounder of all starting shooting guards.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

Anyone who says they would rather have Bell than Carter, that's just crazy.

Bell is a decent defender, horrible rebounder, makes lots of boneheaded plays and is offensively extremely limited except as catch and shoot player.

Carter 6 rebounds per game, 1.2 steals per game 39mpg
Bell 3 rebounds per game, 0.5 steals per game 37mpg

How many starting shooting guards that play more than 35 minutes per game get less rebounds than Raja Bell? Without doing research I'd say ZERO.

Mickael Pietrus though would be the guy who I would really want to be our shooting guard instead of Bell. I'd drive Bell to Golden State personally.

It's not that crazy really, the reason is you need role players and I like the role Bell plays on this team, throwing together a lot of guys who need a lot of shots doesn't mean it will translate into a bunch of points. Vince Carter is a super star he is not going to just accept not shooting the ball a lot, even if he says he would his actions would not live up to his words, it's ingrained in him to shoot the ball and shoot a lot. So offensively would it be much better for this team to give up inside touches to a growing beast like Amare for outside jumpers and the occasional ESPN highlight dunk?

I think it's highly questionable. Now if the Suns were a middle of the road team without 2-3 other stars then I would say it's a no brainer, but considering where the Suns are now I would question the move and how better it makes the Suns.

 

[myrondizzo]

i dont know how this turned into a carter vs bell thing. the suns would have to give up more than that to get him and giving up either diaw or kt is out of the question. i dont like carter because he forced a trade by taking plays off in toronto.

 

[az1965]

Don't get me wrong, I like Diaw a lot and hope he'll pull through. But put yourself in another GM's shoes. You're committing huge dollars for the next five years to someone who has had exactly one good season and is currently posting the underwhelming averages of 10, 5 and 5 -- not to mention 2 1/2 turnovers -- in 32 minutes per game.

Look across the league for other players with similar statistical profiles and think, "Would I want that person for $45 million over the next five years?" For example, Luke Walton is currently posting 12, 5 and 4. Would any GM in the league give Walton $45 million over five years right now? Of course not.

Even though Diaw is struggling right now, you cannot equate Diaw to Walton... My pet peeve with Diaw is that he passes up several good scoring opportunities for extra passes.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

i dont know how this turned into a carter vs bell thing. the suns would have to give up more than that to get him and giving up either diaw or kt is out of the question. i dont like carter because he forced a trade by taking plays off in toronto.

Ok, fair enough, I still think Carter doesn't fit because he takes too many shots way from guys I would rather be taking them.

 

[Ciani]

Anyone who says they would rather have Bell than Carter, that's just crazy.

Mickael Pietrus though would be the guy who I would really want to be our shooting guard instead of Bell. I'd drive Bell to Golden State personally.

Well, then I'm just crazy VC is a lazy superstar, an irresponsible shooter and a defensive liability. Of course he can win games sometimes alone, but ask some Raptors and Nets fans what they think about Carter.

On the other hand, Pietrus is a great guy, would be nice to have him. But I havent given up on Raja yet, he did a lot for us last year, I and believe he will do better later this season (he should play his own role and not to try to be the poor man's Vince Carter ).

 

[Suns_fan69]

There are a lot of things you can question about Bell; his offensive consistency, his composure in hostile situations, his rebounding (apparently) amongst others. What you cannot fault him for is his level of effort day in and day out. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of Carter and I think ultimately Bell is a better fit for this team.

 

[Covert Rain]

There are a lot of things you can question about Bell; his offensive consistency, his composure in hostile situations, his rebounding (apparently) amongst others. What you cannot fault him for is his level of effort day in and day out. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of Carter and I think ultimately Bell is a better fit for this team.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Don't get me wrong, I like Diaw a lot and hope he'll pull through. But put yourself in another GM's shoes. You're committing huge dollars for the next five years to someone who has had exactly one good season and is currently posting the underwhelming averages of 10, 5 and 5 -- not to mention 2 1/2 turnovers -- in 32 minutes per game.

Look across the league for other players with similar statistical profiles and think, "Would I want that person for $45 million over the next five years?" For example, Luke Walton is currently posting 12, 5 and 4. Would any GM in the league give Walton $45 million over five years right now? Of course not.

GM's will also look at the talent on the team, how Diaw fits into the system, and what he actually accomplishes in that system. They will also look at his production in the post-season last year more than anything else--and they'll lick their chops--wanting to get him.

 

[Ballamania]

one thing i dont think people are thinking about is creating of the shots. there have been numerous plays ran where they would pick and roll two or three times , get nothing and steve nash gets the ball back with 4 seconds to try to make a miracle pass or shot. with vince, he would get to the line and without question could create his own shot. that would definitely take pressure off of nash to create every single time down the court. besides a shot blocker, the other underlying weakness is players being able to create their own shot and get to the bucket especially in crunchtime.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Great point....

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

PG- Nash
SG- Carter
SF- Marion
PF- Amare
C- Thomas (Next season hopefully Brandan Wright or Joakim Noah)

This lineup would allow 140 points per game.

 

[elindholm]

GM's will also look at the talent on the team, how Diaw fits into the system, and what he actually accomplishes in that system. They will also look at his production in the post-season last year more than anything else--and they'll lick their chops--wanting to get him.

There's no way to know without polling other GMs, so this looks like an "agree to disagree" situation. I'll just put it this way: If I were GM of a team trying to rebuild with minimal talent, there's no way in hell I'd touch Diaw. If my situation is closer to the Hawks than it is to the Suns, there's just way too much risk that he'll be a complete disaster. I can think of much, much better ways to spend my money.

 

[Goldfield]

No thx...

Carters "counter punch" only takes away from other people.

Unless were trading for another big to add to the rotation leave it be.

 

[Louis]

How about Richard Jefferson?

That would be the one guy I would covet on that Nets roster. If the Nets are having the firesale the article claims maybe they'd part with Jefferson for Diaw or Marion, two first round picks (not from Atlanta), and whatever else it would take.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

You must be kidding. If they want 2 first round picks, they'd better be giving one back and taking Jones and Banks off our hands for RJ....

 

[HooverDam]

No- you don't mess with a good thing, why is that so hard for people to understand?

 

[fordronken]

As for the Diaw debate, I don't think his value can be very accurately attributed to his stats. He has a ton of plays where the Suns have nothing and he sets up the first of two passes that leads to a basket. If there were direct two pass assists, like in hockey (I think it's hockey), he'd get about four or five more assists per game. Granted, I think he is underperforming right now, but he is also a guy who, for the most part, does everything within the flow of the game.