New Matrix RELOADED thread. (spoilers)

[Mike Olbinski]

Originally posted by Chaplin
I just mentioned that I thought Minority Report is better than Matrix (I still think that), and you have turned it into a huge arguement where you have no problem saying, "I don't understand what you are writing". Just because I don't agree with you and think your logic is flawed.

And that reply was meant for Audrey, not you.

And btw, when I try to discuss something, and the person I discuss it with says "whatever", "chickflickski" and "your logic is flawed", I'm going to get annoyed.

There are just better ways to go about discussing something.

Mike

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by Chandler Mike
And that reply was meant for Audrey, not you.

And btw, when I try to discuss something, and the person I discuss it with says "whatever", "chickflickski" and "your logic is flawed", I'm going to get annoyed.

There are just better ways to go about discussing something.

Mike

Unwad your panties will ya? I was saying "whatever" and "chickflickski" as a joke. Remember what that is? What about smilies, you know what they are, right? I'm sorry, I guess I'm not in your clique anymore--I thought we were cool and I was trying to insert a little humor in an arguement that you were starting to take overly seriously.

I do think your logic is flawed though. (That was not a personal insult you dweeb)

 

[Audrey19]

I understand now why Bob left these boards to lower his blood pressure...

 

[mdamien13]

Originally posted by Dan H
Eh, Equilibrium was better than all of them.

 

[Renz]

What's Equilibrium?

I would agree with Chaplin that box office receipts are way overrated when judging the merits of a movie. As Chaplin pointed out to me once, marketing and hype have a lot to do with how financially successful a movie is. There was so much hype behind Reloaded that it couldn't help but make a ton of money. As long as the reviews were merely mediocre it couldn't fail to get a lot of people out to see it.

I think Audrey's point is well taken that it is dropping in popularity now because it isn't getting a lot of repeat business. The reason Titanic made so much money is that people went to see it two, three and four times. I believe that many people were disappointed in Reloaded as a whole and that is why the box office numbers are falling. And IMO the first Matrix was much better.

 

[Chaplin]

Good points Renz.

Another reason for Titanic's amazing repeat business is something that is so obvious. It was released in December. After January, there is virtually nothing worth repeat viewing in the movie theater. Titanic was there for a long time. Matrix suffers from being a summer movie--the perfect example of something that makes a ton of money it's first week and steadily drops after that. Even Spider-Man, the big money-maker last summer did that. Why? It's the summer and every week another "big" release comes out, thus taking business away.

So in this case, I think it's probably not a great comparison between Matrix and Titanic.

 

[mdamien13]

Besides being released in the winter, what did Titanic do? Titanic tapped into that unstoppable juggernaut of the American economy - the teenybopper. That's right, the same group that consistently makes Britney and Justin platinum "artists". The Matrix (and most sci-fi) requires thinking and imagination, hence they lost out on most of this sect.

 

[Renz]

Originally posted by Chaplin
Good points Renz.

Another reason for Titanic's amazing repeat business is something that is so obvious. It was released in December. After January, there is virtually nothing worth repeat viewing in the movie theater. Titanic was there for a long time. Matrix suffers from being a summer movie--the perfect example of something that makes a ton of money it's first week and steadily drops after that. Even Spider-Man, the big money-maker last summer did that. Why? It's the summer and every week another "big" release comes out, thus taking business away.

So in this case, I think it's probably not a great comparison between Matrix and Titanic.

Once again I stand in awe of your intellect and knowledge of the movie industry.

 

[Renz]

Originally posted by mdamien13
What did Titanic do? Titanic tapped into that unstoppable juggernaut of the American economy - the teenybopper. That's right, the same group that consistently makes Britney and Justin platinum "artists". The Matrix (and most sci-fi) requires thinking and imagination, hence they lost out on most of this sect.

I would like to get Chaplin's take on that statement, but I thought that Titanic catered to a bit more of a mature audience. Teeny bopper Leo fans notwithstanding, I never thought of Titanic as a kiddie flick. Especially since, as Chaplin pointed out, it wasn't a Summer movie that are traditionally teen driven.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by Renz
I would like to get Chaplin's take on that statement, but I thought that Titanic catered to a bit more of a mature audience. Teeny bopper Leo fans notwithstanding, I never thought of Titanic as a kiddie flick. Especially since, as Chaplin pointed out, it wasn't a Summer movie that are traditionally teen driven.

I think Titanic was a rare film that appealed to a lot of different demographics. It has the love story appealing to women, the young heartthrob actor appealing to the YOUNG woman, and of course, the kind of heart-stopping action and special effects that appeal to the male audience.

The writing is quite bad in the film, but other than that and perhaps some of the acting (which isn't THAT bad), it is an amazing film. Probably not one of the best ever, but it certainly belongs in a group with Ben-Hur, Ten Commandments and other big-budget epic films.

 

[Dan H]

Everything up until the point Neo has to make a choice points to him choosing the door with the Source. Unfortunately, this 6th "One" has something the other 5 "Ones" didn't have: Trinity. It is this choice that screws everything up. Of course, the architect says that if he chooses that door the human race will be exterminated. But he was probably just blowing smoke up Neo's arse.

Wow, I totally disagree with you on that, Chaplin.

The Architect knew which choice Neo would make. There was no "choosing" about it - it was the mere illusion of a choice, as is Zion. Showing Neo what was happening to Trinity and telling him there was nothing he could do about it was reverse psychology. For whatever the reason, the Architect did NOT want the Matrix to be rebooted.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by Dan H
Wow, I totally disagree with you on that, Chaplin.

The Architect knew which choice Neo would make. There was no "choosing" about it - it was the mere illusion of a choice, as is Zion. Showing Neo what was happening to Trinity and telling him there was nothing he could do about it was reverse psychology. For whatever the reason, the Architect did NOT want the Matrix to be rebooted.

How do you figure? The 5 Ones before Neo always chose the Source door. That is what the Architect expected he would do. Reverse psychology? Come on, don't you think that's a little childish considering all that's been said and done up until that point?

 

[Dan H]

Originally posted by Chaplin
How do you figure? The 5 Ones before Neo always chose the Source door. That is what the Architect expected he would do. Reverse psychology? Come on, don't you think that's a little childish considering all that's been said and done up until that point?

Why show Neo what was happening to Trinity unless he wanted him to choose the other door? It doesn't make sense any other way.

 

[mdamien13]

Originally posted by Renz
I would like to get Chaplin's take on that statement, but I thought that Titanic catered to a bit more of a mature audience. Teeny bopper Leo fans notwithstanding, I never thought of Titanic as a kiddie flick. Especially since, as Chaplin pointed out, it wasn't a Summer movie that are traditionally teen driven.

Lots of people went and saw Titanic, but lots of people go see big budget movies. Titanic's core audience and most of the repeat viewers were sappy movie fans *SPOILERS* who cried everytime Leo ate it at the end. Leo was always a good looking guy, but it was only after Titanic that he was on Tiger Beat every month and became the object of Jon Stewart's infatuation. Those fans were the ones who went and saw it forty times in the theater.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by Dan H
Why show Neo what was happening to Trinity unless he wanted him to choose the other door? It doesn't make sense any other way.

He already KNEW what was happening to Trinity--he had dreamt about it in the first scene of the movie.

 

[Dan H]

Originally posted by Chaplin
He already KNEW what was happening to Trinity--he had dreamt about it in the first scene of the movie.

If that's the case, then why did he ask her to stay out, and why was he surprised when the Architect showed him that she was in?

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by Dan H
If that's the case, then why did he ask her to stay out, and why was he surprised when the Architect showed him that she was in?

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Um, he asked her to stay out because he dreamed she would die in that building (or to be more specific, outside of it).

 

[Bob Chebat]

Just a few comments here.

1) Audrey, you are exactly right in why I no longer post much on message boards. People are way too sensitive and I don't need people egging me on.

2) Titanic, aside from the dopey love story, was a true story. I think people were mesmerized by the sinking of the ship. I know I saw the film four times in the theater. Two of those four times I entered the theater after 90 minutes, about the time the ship struck the iceberg. I honestly think that had a lot to do with it's success. Had it been a fictional disaster epic, it would not have been so successful.

3) I have only seen Matrix Reloaded once and do not plan on seeing it again until the DVD comes out. I was very disappointed in this movie. The effects were good, and I was entertained, but the mystery was gone. Perhaps my expectations were way too high. Box office expectations for this were over $300 million. I don't see that happening unless it runs until September. When is the final installment due out?

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by Bob Chebat
Just a few comments here.

1) Audrey, you are exactly right in why I no longer post much on message boards. People are way too sensitive and I don't need people egging me on.

It's just a message board. I understand what you're saying, but it could be a combination of things--you take things too seriously (which I do as well but it doesn't keep me from posting), and you sound like you feel like you are just too good for discussing some things. Knowing you from before, I can't believe that's true, but it's what seems to be implied. Is it egging you on, or arguing with you? You can't expect everyone to agree with you all the time...

By the way, I agree with your #2 and #3 above...

 

[Bob Chebat]

No, I don't think I am "too good" to discuss things with people. It's a combination of not wanting to get into heated discussions with people and finding better uses for my time.

The war discussions taught me a lot about the people on this board, and some of them I simply have no desire to communicate with anymore. Not because of their views, but because of the way they attacked mine. I understand having disagreements, but when someone knows they can get under your skin, they'll keep doing it. Whether it is "just a message board" or not. I see people doing it to you all the time.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by Bob Chebat
No, I don't think I am "too good" to discuss things with people. It's a combination of not wanting to get into heated discussions with people and finding better uses for my time.

The war discussions taught me a lot about the people on this board, and some of them I simply have no desire to communicate with anymore. Not because of their views, but because of the way they attacked mine.

Understandable.

Wasn't I one of those guys?

The problem is that war threads can get very heated just by the content--talking about war is a lot different than talking about the value of Armageddon, for instance... Or maybe talking about Armageddon is exactly like talking about war, since the movie IS an atrocity...

 

[Bob Chebat]

No, you were not one of those guys. There were people who literally attacked me, and no matter what I said, they would not admit they understood where I was coming from. I never once contradicted myself, but because I was against the use of force, well, I am not going to rehash the whole thing.

Anyway, back to the Matrix, when does the final installment come out?

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Originally posted by Chandler Mike
And btw, when I try to discuss something, and the person I discuss it with says "whatever", "chickflickski" and "your logic is flawed", I'm going to get annoyed.

There are just better ways to go about discussing something.

Mike

Whatever, Chickflickski. Your logic is flawed.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Originally posted by Bob Chebat
Anyway, back to the Matrix, when does the final installment come out?

11/05/2003

 

[Renz]

Originally posted by Chaplin
the value of Armageddon, for instance... Or maybe talking about Armageddon is exactly like talking about war, since the movie IS an atrocity...

Thank you. I hear people talking all the time about how they liked that movie. I don't get it. I HATE that movie! The plot is ridiculous, the acting is abominable and the writing is horrendous. Catch me later and I will tell you how I really feel about it.