News and rumors of potential coaching staff additions.
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Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
So your defense of the hire is that we made a crappy QB coach hire before and nobody complained? Not much of an argument in his defense. Which is understandable, because there's not much of an argument in his defense. Let's just hope he is NOT the QB coach. That would be a grossly stupid hire, if true. "We need a QB guru to help our physically gifted young QB to get his head right and fix his game" "How about a kid with absolutely no experience with any of that?"
My defense is that many QB coach hires look exactly like this. As I explained above with Dan Pitcher.
Take James Urban, the Ravens QB coach and one of the most respected in the league. He's 49 now but when he became a QB coach at 35 his previous experience was 2 years as an offensive assistant and quality control coach.
Zach Robinson, the Rams 36 year old QB coach, has 2 years as assistant QB coach, 1 year as Assistant WR coach.
Jerrod Johnson, the Texans new QB coach under DeMeco Ryan's has 2 years as a QC coach and 1 year as an Assistant QB coach.
Andrew Janocko, the 34 year old QB coach the Bears brought in to work with Fields, had one year as QB coach at the Vikings and 4 years as assistant O line before that.
Brian Griese who the Niners brought in to work with Lance, while 47, had zero previous coaching experience.
Rob Calabrese of the Jets was brought in by Saleh with only 2 years experience as a Broncos QC coach after 3 years coaching in college.
Kellen Moore has no coaching experience when he became a QB coach in 2018 at 28. As did Kevin O'Connell in 2015.
Guys like Greg Olson, Mike Sullivan or Mike McCoy who have been on and off OC's and QB coaches around the league for 20 years are rare. I certainly can't think of any that are available.
Would it have been my first choice if I was making a wish list? No. But then I also can't think who is available I would have put on that wish list. I was expecting it to be someone from the college game.
There are no rules on this. Many guys with little experience have gone on to be great and move up to OC and HC. Many with a long list of coaching experience haven't.
We just have to trust that the people that do know made the right decision. He seems like an intelligent guy.
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
Most of the guys you listed had QB coaching experience, unlike our hire. Several of them were themselves previous NFL QBs. The guy has no experience in this area. None. You have to at least acknowledge that it's a concern. You can be happy with the hire if you'd like. I just think it's an insanely stupid risk when this is the hire that had to be exactly right. Petzing was already a question mark for me; this is doubling down on the risk.
He was the Assistant QB coach for the Brown's last year. Which is no less experience than most the guys I listed. I could probably list more but I thought that was enough. The Bucs just yesterday made Thad Lewis their QB coach with 2 years experience as assistant WR coach.
He might suck. He might be great. Who knows? But his experience prior to getting this job isn't negatively exceptional.
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Leftwich had actually played the position.
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I read he worked specifically with tight ends for the Browns in 2022. He had no specific position title other than working on offensive side of ball. This will be his first specific position title in NFL.
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I'm not going to bash these hires as I know nothing about them. The main thing is how they work together and create the kind of environment that is needed to field a winning team. Sure, they're on the younger side, but so what? Bill Davis has over 20 years experience and is awful. Vance Joseph had tons of experience, even head coaching experience yet nobody wanted him around.
I thought the previous staff was the worst staff in the league(made a thread about it)and it was loaded with experienced guys. If this is who the HC wants, let him build his staff as he sees fit.
I thought the previous staff was the worst staff in the league(made a thread about it)and it was loaded with experienced guys. If this is who the HC wants, let him build his staff as he sees fit.
Stout
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If it isn't negatively exceptional, it doesn't scream "what a great hire" for arguably the most important coach on the team. Kyler needs help and he needs fixed. I'd have much rather had someone with a track record doing that. Perhaps if I had confidence in the OC on that score, I'd be more open to this QB coach hire. Problem is, both of them are big ?s.
Sure. I think that's fair. But then I can't think of anyone for QB coach that is available that I would consider a great hire, and I've put my mind to it.
It's not a hire that screams "This guy is going to be great" but I don't think the experience criticism is warranted as it's pretty normal. We will just have to trust that people that know the guy think he's talented.
Ouchie-Z-Clown
I'm better than Mulli!
I can’t believe people base their thoughts about coaches upon hard knocks and snippets we see on gameday on the sideline. It’s an insane position to believe you know anything about their coaching from those two sources.
It's literally everything we have ever seen of him. In meeting rooms he's sat there silent like he's QB3. On sidelines he's sat there silent staring at a tablet while Kyler is sat silently next to him. He's never shown an ounce of ability in all the sources we have access to and Kyler has gotten worse as a QB. The team have also not kept him on.
All evidence we can see says he sucks, but there is further evidence we don't have access to.
Ouchie-Z-Clown
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You’ve likely seen less than a grand total of an hour in less than 1 minute (likely less than 30 second) snippets over his entire career (you know, hours per day over a career) and decide to make a judgment on his coaching style. According to you he’s somehow gotten by just staring at a tablet and being silent all the time. Haven’t you guys figured out that they show almost no actual coaching on hard knocks? It’s a human interest story. Most fans don’t have the patience/desire to watch actual coaching.
I hope no one ever relies on such a stupid data set in determining if you’re good at what you do.
Ouchie-Z-Clown
I'm better than Mulli!
You’ve likely seen < 1% of the evidence.
We've seen <1% of the video. The results of his coaching, the fact he was let go, the fact that only his Uncle and Kliff have ever employed him as a coach are also evidence and literally everyone here thinks he's a bum.
But sure, there's a chance that he's really good and there's just no available evidence of it.
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AMEN!! Great post. Let’s just be thankful that Gannon is making these choices. He has a vision as to what identity he wants to create here. So, at this point in time, I’m fine with & really like what he’s doing.
Good post.
Experience is overrated up to a point. Experience isn't linear, it's gained on a curve. You learn most of what you need early, you fill in gaps over 2-3 more years, after that what you don't know is limited and has to be balanced against other aspects such as enthusiasm, energy, relatability, coaching style etc
Give me a 5 year guy with energy and charisma that players like over a 20 year guy that's drained of enthusiasm.
37. Practically ancient. This will be as an Offensive assistant like the other Florida guy I assume. QC I would guess as he has an extensive background in QC.
Peagler, 37, began his coaching career at Clemson as a student assistant for the Tigers from 2006-09, it was there he would have his first run-in with Napier. He would move on to coach at his first major collegiate gig with Valdosta State as the team's TEs coach (2010) before moving on to Louisianna as an offensive quality control assistant and graduate assistant (2011-13).
From there, Peagler would jump back and fourth between college and the prep level, coaching for a year at Coffeyville Community College as the team's run game coordinator/recruiting coordinator (2014) and at Olive Branch High School as the team's offensive coordinator/OL coach (2015).
His collegiate coaching career would take off from there as Peagler was hired as an offensive quality control assistant at Minnesota (2016) before he spent a year in Athens as Georgia's OL graduate assistant coach.
Peagler would then meet Napier for a second time in 2018, coaching at UL as the team's Director of Player Personnel/Quality Control Coordinator (2018) before moving on to Colorado as the program's offensive director of quality control (2019) and finally as a running backs coach for Michigan State over the past two years (2020-21).
Peagler is credited with aiding the development of former Spartans running back Kenneth Walker III, who transferred to Michigan State in 2021 and rushed for 1,686 yards and 18 touchdowns before the Seattle Seahawks selected him in the second round of the 2022 NFL Draft.
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Peagler, 37, began his coaching career at Clemson as a student assistant for the Tigers from 2006-09, it was there he would have his first run-in with Napier. He would move on to coach at his first major collegiate gig with Valdosta State as the team's TEs coach (2010) before moving on to Louisianna as an offensive quality control assistant and graduate assistant (2011-13).
From there, Peagler would jump back and fourth between college and the prep level, coaching for a year at Coffeyville Community College as the team's run game coordinator/recruiting coordinator (2014) and at Olive Branch High School as the team's offensive coordinator/OL coach (2015).
His collegiate coaching career would take off from there as Peagler was hired as an offensive quality control assistant at Minnesota (2016) before he spent a year in Athens as Georgia's OL graduate assistant coach.
Peagler would then meet Napier for a second time in 2018, coaching at UL as the team's Director of Player Personnel/Quality Control Coordinator (2018) before moving on to Colorado as the program's offensive director of quality control (2019) and finally as a running backs coach for Michigan State over the past two years (2020-21).
Peagler is credited with aiding the development of former Spartans running back Kenneth Walker III, who transferred to Michigan State in 2021 and rushed for 1,686 yards and 18 touchdowns before the Seattle Seahawks selected him in the second round of the 2022 NFL Draft.
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Chopper0080
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I disagree to a point. Yes, experience does not guarantee good coaching. Conversely, inexperience does not prohibit good coaching. I do believe experience provides more of a floor in terms of coaching even if there may be a limited ceiling based upon that history.
The one critique that I feel is very fair regarding these unknown offensive coaches based upon their inexperience (playing or coaching) is what can they reasonably be expected to teach Kyler?
If they tell Kyler his footwork is all wrong which he has learned working with his dad, how do these two have any credibility to a QB like Kyler to make him change that?
Worth noting. The TE coach hire as well as other have been announced as such right away. The Woolfork hire and others were not.
Thought of one at last! Mike Shula and Sean Ryan.
He's currently senior offensive asistant at the Bills but has extensive QB coach experience. Ryan is unemployed as of the end of the season.
