Next Season's Roster

[Irish]

It's going to be very odd this summer. If Amare leaves, I'd be surprised if Sarver did not start dmping salaries. Nash nas value to certain teams and J-Rich has an expiring contract. Some teams might find J-Rich useful for a short time.Barbosa is a former Sixth Man of the Year and appears to be mostly healthy.

Considering all, the Suns might get some draft picks out of this process. But on the downside, the remaining team will not be competative.

If Amare stays, the team will strongly resemble last season's team.

Amare will be better. He showed real progress late last season, but clearly suffered from no playin with a true center come playoffs.

Lopez showed real progress during the regular season and in a few of the playoff games. He needs to get stronger He could become really good, but still inex;perienced.

Hill is the best 37 year old in the NBA. He's still inconsistent on shooting threes but has shown he is still a very good player.

Nash has never been a good defender and still won the MVP twice. He may end up like Stockton, coming off the bench but is a great player for cruch time;

Richardson is expected to make $14 million next year. Some teams might value his expiring contract while he's proven he is a first rate offensive player. His future with the Suns remains confused, but it will depend on his financial goals.

Frye is going to be a very hard player to figure. He's not strong enough to be a good inside guy and still too slow in his shooting to be a first tare offense threat. My guess is that Suns will go for a $3 million deal, but not much more.

Dudley is under contract. He's become a Suns verson of Bowen as a defender and three point shooter. He's already working out getting ready for next year.

Dragic has shown flashes of how good he could be. As a PG to back up Nash, he may help Steve stay in the league a long time. Next season, I'd look for more of the offense being built around him.

Barbosa is still one of the fastest guys in the NBA. Leandro has had health issues. If the Suns do draft a wing, he may be considered expendible for a trade.

Amundson is an inexpensive energy guy. If he gets a good offer, he's likely to leave. He may drop out of the rotation even if he doesn't leave. He'd be a perfect 12the man.

Jones averaged 16 rpg in D league. He has been projected as a bigger, stronger version of Amundson. Coro of the Republic reported he has more offensive skills than advertised.

Clark has been getting rave reviews from people who have seen him at practice. His offense was unpolished coming into the NBA. Physically, he resembles Odom of the Lakers. He was drafted because he is a talented defender.

Collins is unlikely to return as a player. I can imagine him coming back as a coach.

My read on the roster if Amare and Frye return:

CENTER
Lopez
Jones

PF
Stoudemire
Frye

SF
Hill
Dudley
Clark (SF/PF)

SG
Richardson
Barbosa

PG
Nash
Dragic

This leaves 1 roster slot and one IR slot for the draft and free agency.

 

[Yuma]

It's going to be very odd this summer. If Amare leaves, I'd be surprised if Sarver did not start dmping salaries. Nash nas value to certain teams and J-Rich has an expiring contract. Some teams might find J-Rich useful for a short time.Barbosa is a former Sixth Man of the Year and appears to be mostly healthy.

Considering all, the Suns might get some draft picks out of this process. But on the downside, the remaining team will not be competative.

If Amare stays, the team will strongly resemble last season's team.

Amare will be better. He showed real progress late last season, but clearly suffered from no playin with a true center come playoffs.

Lopez showed real progress during the regular season and in a few of the playoff games. He needs to get stronger He could become really good, but still inex;perienced.

Hill is the best 37 year old in the NBA. He's still inconsistent on shooting threes but has shown he is still a very good player.

Nash has never been a good defender and still won the MVP twice. He may end up like Stockton, coming off the bench but is a great player for cruch time;

Richardson is expected to make $14 million next year. Some teams might value his expiring contract while he's proven he is a first rate offensive player. His future with the Suns remains confused, but it will depend on his financial goals.

Frye is going to be a very hard player to figure. He's not strong enough to be a good inside guy and still too slow in his shooting to be a first tare offense threat. My guess is that Suns will go for a $3 million deal, but not much more.

Dudley is under contract. He's become a Suns verson of Bowen as a defender and three point shooter. He's already working out getting ready for next year.

Dragic has shown flashes of how good he could be. As a PG to back up Nash, he may help Steve stay in the league a long time. Next season, I'd look for more of the offense being built around him.

Barbosa is still one of the fastest guys in the NBA. Leandro has had health issues. If the Suns do draft a wing, he may be considered expendible for a trade.

Amundson is an inexpensive energy guy. If he gets a good offer, he's likely to leave. He may drop out of the rotation even if he doesn't leave. He'd be a perfect 12the man.

Jones averaged 16 rpg in D league. He has been projected as a bigger, stronger version of Amundson. Coro of the Republic reported he has more offensive skills than advertised.

Clark has been getting rave reviews from people who have seen him at practice. His offense was unpolished coming into the NBA. Physically, he resembles Odom of the Lakers. He was drafted because he is a talented defender.

Collins is unlikely to return as a player. I can imagine him coming back as a coach.

My read on the roster if Amare and Frye return:

CENTER
Lopez
Jones

PF
Stoudemire
Frye

SF
Hill
Dudley
Clark (SF/PF)

SG
Richardson
Barbosa

PG
Nash
Dragic

This leaves 1 roster slot and one IR slot for the draft and free agency.

You left out Griffen (SP), but I would let him walk if I were the Suns anyway. Maybe D-league him if we have to keep him.

 

[slinslin]

It is a no-win situation for the Suns.

The two scenarios most likely are :

1. Amundson leaves, Suns overpay Amare, Frye leaves
2. Amundson leaves, Amare leaves, Suns overpay Frye

The right choice would be to let all of them leave because all of them will be massively overpaid by someone except maybe Amundson but we drafted two guys who would be logical replacements for him and will be cheaper.

 

[Mainstreet]

It is a no-win situation for the Suns.

The two scenarios most likely are :

1. Amundson leaves, Suns overpay Amare, Frye leaves
2. Amundson leaves, Amare leaves, Suns overpay Frye

The right choice would be to let all of them leave because all of them will be massively overpaid by someone except maybe Amundson but we drafted two guys who would be logical replacements for him and will be cheaper.

I'd choose #1 unless the Suns can do a sign and trade with Amare. I would prefer the sign and trade scenario. Players like Amundson and Frye are out there to be found.

 

[Joe Mama]

I'd choose #1 unless the Suns can do a sign and trade with Amare. I would prefer the sign and trade scenario. Players like Amundson and Frye are out there to be found.

how many other 6-10 players who shoot 43% from three point range are there available for hopefully not more than $4 million per season?

Joe

 

[mojorizen7]

-I'm okay with everyone leaving besides Gentry,Dragic,Lopez,Duds and Clark.
-I'd be okay with bringing Amare back at the MAX on a shorter deal(3 yrs)
^ unfortuntely thats not gonna happen.
-I'm asking Nash & Hill where they'd like to play next season.
-I'm keeping Barbosa unless we can move him in a deal for a pick.
-I'm also keeping JRich on for his final season and try to deal him at the
deadline next year.

It was a great,great season this year and hopefully we can build upon the real reason behind that success(despite the departure of Kerr)....but it's time to put away the foam finger's for a year or two and rebuild the core.
Same old story from me.

Dragic/FA
JRich/Barbosa
Clark/Duds
Amare/Draft pick
Lopez/Draft pick/FA

Win 30 games and re-position for the draft the following year as well as free up money from expirings to re-sign Lopez,Dragic,Duds etc...

 

[Mainstreet]

how many other 6-10 players who shoot 43% from three point range are there available for hopefully not more than $4 million per season?

Joe

Essentially, as i understand it, you are asking are there any other high post centers who could play in the Suns system and hit the open 3 for no more than 4M a year. I'm not sure, but the Suns found TT and Frye. I believe there may be others, but I'd rather not try to find a replacement since Frye has already proven he fits. To be clear, I'm saying I would rather overpay Stoudemire than overpay Frye and Amundson. Frye and Amundson are role players and role players are more easily replaced. I'd like to keep Frye if possible.

 

[Irish]

If Amare walks, then Frye is likely gone too. His value is based on the way teams try to pack the paint to stop the Nash to Amare pick and roll. No Amare and opponents can guard the three point line and negate Fry's value.

BTW, it is not THAT easy to find a great big man shooter. Bonner of the Spurs has been a huge disappointment. I don't have the stats, but it does not appear there ae many bigs that shoot over 40% for three.

 

[slinslin]

how many other 6-10 players who shoot 43% from three point range are there available for hopefully not more than $4 million per season?

Joe

How many championship teams needed a 6'10 shooting guard, home 3pt specialist?

 

[Irish]

How many championship teams needed a 6'10 shooting guard, home 3pt specialist?

Oh they all do. But Sheed Wallace is the only one in recent years since Big Shot Bob retired. Apparently, if you have two great shooting bigs, they aren't as "necessary".

 

[cly2tw]

How about

Favers/Robin/Yi/Clark/Lee/Harris/LB + over 25 mil cap for further manuver? How? See here:

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f7/swapping-rosters-with-nj-153953.html

 

[binkar]

If we didn't resign Amare, would we even have the money to sign David Lee? I don't believe we would. How much $$$ would Lee demand, roughly?

 

[mojorizen7]

I like David Lee as a piece of the puzzle, but not as a guy who can be considered a PF we can build around. Take a look at who we've got in place in terms of young talent,consider the very likely possibility that Amare leave's, and IMO we should try to look at rebuilding around a stud PF(by positioning ourselves to do so in the near future).....David Lee is a good player, but hardly a stud up front. IMO his price may be too high considering he isn't the answer.
JMHO

 

[Mainstreet]

I like David Lee as a piece of the puzzle, but not as a guy who can be considered a PF we can build around. Take a look at who we've got in place in terms of young talent,consider the very likely possibility that Amare leave's, and IMO we should try to look at rebuilding around a stud PF(by positioning ourselves to do so in the near future).....David Lee is a good player, but hardly a stud up front. IMO his price may be too high considering he isn't the answer.
JMHO

I like David Lee as well. He can be a good PF for the Suns. I don't like the idea of waiting for a stud PF to maybe come the Suns way. It may happen, but you can't bank on it. Horford should have been one (and may yet be) but it can be a long process. If the Suns could snag David Lee I'd do so and hope to get lucky in the draft down the road or in a trade like Gasol or KG. Again, rebuilding does not always mean a team gets better. It can be like throwing fresh mud against the wall and hope it sticks.

 

[binkar]

So how much would it cost to get Lee?

 

[Mainstreet]

So how much would it cost to get Lee?

I don't know but I think he would get at least somewhere in the area of 10 M a year to start with in a multiyear contract. This is purely a guess on my part.

 

[cly2tw]

I meant to suggest this roster:

Robin/Favors/Clark/LB/Harris with CourtneyLee/Yi/Lawal + 25mil cap room worth of FA

Not sure why my roster discussion thread is moved to the NBA trade subforum, at
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f45/swapping-rosters-with-nj-153953.html

 

[jandaman]

dantian i dare you to make that offer atb the Nets board somewhere...

Yi + package of fillers + TPE I can see..

But Favors?

It takes 2 to tango and Nets dont have their dancing shoes on.

 

[cly2tw]

dantian i dare you to make that offer atb the Nets board somewhere...

Yi + package of fillers + TPE I can see..

But Favors?

It takes 2 to tango and Nets dont have their dancing shoes on.

I did it on Real GM Nets forum. Well, Favors for a chance of 2 years immediate title runs, and be the best show in NY is incentive enough. Not to mention otherwise they'd have no chance to lure Amare there as FA. What's Favors' upside? Boozer? Horford? If it's LBJ, I'd understand their reluctance and desire to wait for Favors to lead them to NBA finals appearance 5 years down the road. Consider the opportunity costs, my friend!

 

[BC867]

how many other 6-10 players who shoot 43% from three point range are there available for hopefully not more than $4 million per season?

Joe

And unfortunately who are too soft to play the power positions and too immobile to play smaller.

Of all the guys on the court to open the floor with his 3's, it really shouldn't be our Center, should it? For even a minute? Let alone the 27.2 mpg he averaged during the season.