NFL considers adding 17th game to season

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By BARRY WILNER, AP Football Writer
Thu May 10, 3:44 AM ET



NEW YORK - Americans always seem to want more pro football. Yet it's the folks abroad who might be getting an extra taste of the NFL in the future. Although talks are extremely preliminary, the NFL is investigating adding a 17th regular-season game and playing it outside the United States. The extra game would take the place of one in the preseason, allowing every team to play once abroad without sacrificing a home match.

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This year, the Dolphins gave up a home date in Miami to play the New York Giants at Wembley Stadium in London. Two years ago, the Arizona Cardinals played a home game in Mexico City against the San Francisco 49ers.

"It is preliminary, but we certainly are putting resources into pulling that together," said Mark Waller, NFL senior vice president, international. "For now, we have the one game per season or two per season outside of the U.S. But we know it can be tough on home fans since we're taking a game away.

"So we have asked how do we create more inventory without taking games away from fans? That idea came up in internal conversations and we now have an international committee of owners and we talked it through with them, and they asked us to do some groundwork."

While the 17th game won't get off the ground next season, for sure, it could become a staple of the NFL's schedule by 2009 or 2010. But it would present some significant logistical and scheduling challenges.

For one, if there is another week to the regular season, does that mean openers played on Labor Day weekend, something the NFL has avoided in recent years? Or does it mean pushing the Super Bowl back a week to the second Sunday in February? Or leaving the title game where it is and eliminating the week off between conference championships and the Super Bowl?

"I don't see a huge downside to a week later. The strength of the idea warrants bringing it up for discussion," Waller said.

And what about during a Winter Olympics year such as 2010?

"It might be an issue for the Olympics," he adds with a laugh.

Where would the "foreign games" be played? And how would they be divided?

Waller notes that there won't be 16 different venues for the 17th games. More likely would be a "mini-season ticket" of perhaps four games in one city or country.

"It is very early, but our thought is what we could end up with is every week there would be one international game," he said. "We won't have all of them on the same week. And what you would do is look at taking, for instance, four games to London. Play a game in Wembley each month, having eight different teams coming through. A game in September, one in October, one in November and one in December.

"It's a great opportunity from a fan perspective, because they get half of what a fan in the United States gets, four games to eight."

Aside from England, other prime areas to get games would be Germany, which has a half-dozen quality stadiums thanks to last year's World Cup; Mexico; and Canada. Waller doubts Asia or Australia would be targeted because of the travel concerns, but he doesn't dismiss anything. Or anywhere.

"It is a complex idea and it will take a lot of work on a number of sides," Waller said. "The beauty of it is it's competitively fair."
 

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Reduce the preseason to three games, and add one regular season game?
 

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Where else would you guys like to see games?

Domestic

Ann Arbor, MI
Los Angeles, CA
Norman, OK
 

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The right move is to match baseball--nothing less than 162 games will do.
 

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Reduce the preseason to three games, and add one regular season game?

BAM!

Nail right on the head.

I think this is a fantastic idea.

Make the game nationally televised, and play all over the world.

The NFL can sell special travel packages and what not.
 

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The extra game would take the place of one in the preseason, allowing every team to play once abroad without sacrificing a home match.

So do the Cardinals get one back? ;)
 

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Interesting

Owners already get the ticket sales from the preseason game, but dont have to pay the players

Making it a regular season game would require them to pay the players more -- I am not sure how that gets accomplished (everyone gets a 6.25% raise --i.e. 17/16th of current pay)

Are there really 16 neutral game sites that would generate big revenues?

LA twice I guess -- Mexico City, Monterrey in Mexico -- I dunno
 

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Not going to happen until the next CBA has to be done. Just not logistically possible to do it during the middle of a CBA agreement. Revenue sharing structure will have to change, each and every player currently under contract will have to get a % raise in their contracts as there contracts now were only negotiated based on a 16 game schedule, plus they will get another increase because the TV revenue will be higher. New cap figures will have to be recalculated. Veteran min will have to be recalculated. Practice Squad size, active player list size, and maybe even more then 53 total players will all have to be looked at to help with the extra players breaking down and injuries that will occur. And thats just the tip of it.
 

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I like the Idea, One less preseason game that I have to pay for with my season tickets.

Of course I'll end up trying to travel to the International game, thus costing me more!

Anything is better than paying full price for a preseason game, IMO
 

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Not going to happen until the next CBA has to be done. Just not logistically possible to do it during the middle of a CBA agreement. Revenue sharing structure will have to change, each and every player currently under contract will have to get a % raise in their contracts as there contracts now were only negotiated based on a 16 game schedule, plus they will get another increase because the TV revenue will be higher. New cap figures will have to be recalculated. Veteran min will have to be recalculated. Practice Squad size, active player list size, and maybe even more then 53 total players will all have to be looked at to help with the extra players breaking down and injuries that will occur. And thats just the tip of it.

All good points. If I am NFLPA or a player rep, I am pushing for a hefty increase, not an incremental one. I am asking for even more of the pie for travelling/playing outside the US and increased security for those games as well.

NFL players play a finite number of games and adding additional games is taking time off their careers and money out of their pockets.
 

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NFL players play a finite number of games and adding additional games is taking time off their careers and money out of their pockets.

Lessening players careers, and more money for more travel and security, didnt even think about that. Which like you said will mean the players asking for even more of the pie then they are now which means less % of the revenue sharing in the owners pocket then every before. That CBA negotiating period will be a horrid one and would get very, very nasty, and there will be a work stopage.

It will also make every record in the book pretty much useless and records will be broken left and right making them not all that special anymore.

This is just a really, really, bad idea.
 

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Other places abroad i would like to see some games played is Japan. I would imagine that all the NFL Europa teams would get a some thoughts. For some reason I would like the NFL to play agame in Moscow.
 

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It will also make every record in the book pretty much useless and records will be broken left and right making them not all that special anymore.

This is just a really, really, bad idea.

Just take a home game away from 3-4 team per year. It's not really THAT big of a deal.
 

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A 17th game?

I guess the NFL really wants to cripple their players!

Add another bye week to extend the TV contacts, but not another game!
 

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