NFL criminals may be detectable before the fact

[Mulli]

I just don't think the test u mentioned is necessary. The info is there, the teams know, they choose to ignore it.

I just thought of an interesting one.


David Boston. Were the signs there? Pretty good background, right?

 

[CardLogic]

We don't even know exactly what speech pattern metrics are being evaluated. My guess is they are measuring much more than that which Black Jesus suggested with this comment:

if i say scrip club instead of strip club, do I have a higher criminal rating? Or if I say axe instead of ask...

For example, if a prospect axe'es about what the nightlife in a particular city is like instead of the quality of the school systems, does that indicate anything to a future employer?

Wouldn't that be a part of the matrix of evaluation of speech patterns? The point here is that we don't know what they are using as measurable data in their system.

A little cross-threading...

Though he wasn't addressing this topic specifically, Pat Kirwin had this to say in his mock draft article -

"I got the sense from talking to a number of GMs and head coaches that there is little interest in risk-taking at the top of the draft with athletes who have off-the-field issues, medical issues and "signability" issues. Athletes that came to the combine, performed most of the drills well, interviewed well and created a feeling of being safe picks moved up draft boards. Athletes who had medical issues, decided not to compete or demonstrated some immaturity moved down. As one GM said, "There's just too much damn money involved at the top of the draft to take a risk."

cardsfanmd is making a valid point in this thread; but some of you are just to wrapped up in political correctness to hear it.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

So if there are statistically more black people in jail (percentage wise) teams should shy away from them? Especially if they grew up in poor hoods?

A little offtopic, but:

Should men have to pay more on average for their auto insurance because men are more likely to get into accidents from erratic driving?

Same thing with health insurance. Women live longer statistically in the US, so should they pay less?



btw, this thread was close to being locked, let's keep it civil.

 

[Skkorpion]

cardsfanmd is making a valid point in this thread; but some of you are just to wrapped up in political correctness to hear it.

Eye of the beholder. To me, cardsfanmd is exhibiting political correctness himself.

Edit. Grr. Sorry cdsfanmd, got confused. CardLogic caught it. You, me, him -- we agree on this? I need a drink.

 

[CardLogic]

Eye of the beholder. To me, cardsfanmd is exhibiting political correctness himself.

You lost me...

It seems that cardsfanmd, you, and I are all on the same side of the issue. That being:

1.) We don't really know that which is being measured.

2.) Organizations spending millions of dollars on an asset are likely to take whatever measures they can that give them a better chance of making the correct decision.

And 3.) Character; including intelligence, work ethic, behavior, education, etc.; does count!

 

[DemsMyBoys]

This is all very hard to believe.. So this guy is saying that a speechpattern can detect if someone will commit a crime? Thats absurd.. If that person has been speaking that way their whole life and never commited a crime up until the combine, whats to say that they will after the combine? Emmitt Smith and Gary Payton are two athletes that cant speak worth a jack and to my knowledge have never commited a crime.. Anyone who thinks this is a good idea needs to fall back.. Sounds more like some dude just tried to get paid by feeding off NFL owners fears..

I was a linguistics major in college and spent 4 years listening to my professors debate this very subject. I'm getting a headache.

I could record Kurt's dialect and play it for people who had no idea what race he is and I'd get a whole lot of votes that he was African American. He does not sound like what most people think someone from Iowa sounds like.

 

[Southpaw]

Really? I would have no idea who was more likely. Brett favre and Terry Bradshaw were pretty dumb coming out of college. So what?

Brett Favre = drug addict. Lookitup. Heh heh.

 

[Mulli]

Brett Favre = drug addict. Lookitup. Heh heh.

not a criminal and if he was I don't think anyone would care so long as he won

 

[Southpaw]

So are you less likely to draft/hire those from poor neighborhoods?

Football is business. Drafting players with an eye on R O I is smart business practice. I find it a paradox and quite confusing that people who do not want to be stereotyped behave stereotypically. Perception goes a long way.

Intelligent people may commit crime , but they are less likely to get caught.

 

[Southpaw]

not convicted and if he was I don't think anyone would care so long as he won

FTFY. BTW, it was someone else's example. He is dumber than a bag of rocks and gets the same leeway as the rest because he can fling the rock. I laughed my ass off when I heard the rumor that he was going to get a job as an NFL analyst. That should be a real hoot.

 

[Southpaw]

So if there are statistically more black people in jail (percentage wise) teams should shy away from them? Especially if they grew up in poor hoods?

Yes. Statistically speaking.

I can't believe the U of Miami thugs haven't been brought up yet.

Ray Lewis?

 

[Skkorpion]

You lost me...

It seems that cardsfanmd, you, and I are all one the same side of the issue. That being:

1.) We don't really know that which is being measured.

2.) Organizations spending millions of dollars on an asset are likely to take whatever measures they can that give them a better chance of making the correct decision.

And 3.) Character; including intelligence, work ethic, behavior, education, etc.; does count!

ooops. My apologies. Misread him.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Eye of the beholder. To me, cardsfanmd is exhibiting political correctness himself.

Edit. Grr. Sorry cdsfanmd, got confused. CardLogic caught it. You, me, him -- we agree on this? I need a drink.

ooops. My apologies. Misread him.

No problems, believe it or not, I agree with much of what you write, I just try not to post only thumbsup sign anymore. When nidan and I agree on something is when we we'll know the apocalyspe is near.

 

[cardsfanmd]

cardsfanmd is making a valid point in this thread; but some of you are just to wrapped up in political correctness to hear it.

Thanks. I was starting to wonder if anyone was gonna grasp what I was saying.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I laughed my ass off when I heard the rumor that he was going to get a job as an NFL analyst. That should be a real hoot.

he can't be any worse than listening to Emmit Smith try to make it through a complete sentence. I think he makes up some words as he goes. I'm not the only one who thinks this. Here's a good laugh on Emmitt.
http://walterfootball.com/emmitt.php