NFL criminals may be detectable before the fact

[Gee!]

This is all very hard to believe.. So this guy is saying that a speechpattern can detect if someone will commit a crime? Thats absurd.. If that person has been speaking that way their whole life and never commited a crime up until the combine, whats to say that they will after the combine? Emmitt Smith and Gary Payton are two athletes that cant speak worth a jack and to my knowledge have never commited a crime.. Anyone who thinks this is a good idea needs to fall back.. Sounds more like some dude just tried to get paid by feeding off NFL owners fears..

 

[cardsfanmd]

Regulated? Did you mean relegated?

yup, thanks

 

[cardsfanmd]

This is all very hard to believe. So this guy is saying that a speechpattern can detect if someone will commit a crime? Thats absurd.. If that person has been speaking that way their whole life and never commited a crime up until the combine, whats to say that they will after the combine? Emmitt Smith and Gary Payton are two athletes that cant speak worth a jack and to my knowledge have never commited a crime.. Anyone who thinks this is a good idea needs to fall back. Sounds more like some dude just tried to get paid by feeding off NFL owners fears..

It's saying that certain speech patterns make them more likely to committ a crime. This was common knowledge IMO. Are you trying to say that loking and listening to Marshawn Lynch wouldn't make you think he was more prone to breaking the law than Dwight Howard?

 

[Mulli]

It's saying that certain speech patterns make them more likely to committ a crime. This was common knowledge IMO. Are you trying to say that loking and listening to Marshawn Lynch wouldn't make you think he was more prone to breaking the law than Dwight Howard?

Really? I would have no idea who was more likely. Brett favre and Terry Bradshaw were pretty dumb coming out of college. So what?

 

[Mulli]

Are people with English as a second language included?

 

[Gee!]

It's saying that certain speech patterns make them more likely to committ a crime. This was common knowledge IMO. Are you trying to say that loking and listening to Marshawn Lynch wouldn't make you think he was more prone to breaking the law than Dwight Howard?

Your either scared or hold some type of grudge against people that look like or talk like Marshawn.. Cuz all the time there are people on wall street commiting crimes.. Hell, Martha Stewart went to prison for crimes.. Larry Fitz looks like Marshawn and speaks in a different manner.. Id rather judge the person on their merits rather than their speech pattern or looks.. But you just keep winding down your prejudice path, ok?

 

[cardsfanmd]

Really? I would have no idea who was more likely. Brett favre and Terry Bradshaw were pretty dumb coming out of college. So what?

Please stop trying to be politically correct and just be honest man.

This isn't a question of intelligence, but of grammer and command of the english language. Farve and Bradshaw didn't talk like they just crawled out of the gutter. Hell, Bradshaw is a sportscaster now. They both didn't spit in the faces of their respective colleges, high schools and elementary schools with the way they spoke. Do you really think that the chancellor at WVA doesn't cringe when he hears Pac Man speak? That kid is supposed to be an extension of his university and an example of their students. What do you think his former english teachers would say about him? Schools will contnue to bring guys like this in because of the money that a good college football team generates for the school, but they cannot be happy about it.

Bad analogy though on your part IMO. To an extent, neither of them were great speakers and both of them ended up breaking the law. Farve was a pillhead and Bradshaw roided out. What am I missing here?

 

[earthsci]

Some people deal with life like it's a job interview. Some don't give an ish. Who do you think would be more likely to do something that is socially unacceptable, including breaking the law?

 

[Mulli]

Your either scared or hold some type of grudge against people that look like or talk like Marshawn.. Cuz all the time there are people on wall street commiting crimes.. Hell, Martha Stewart went to prison for crimes.. Larry Fitz looks like Marshawn and speaks in a different manner.. Id rather judge the person on their merits rather than their speech pattern or looks.. But you just keep winding down your prejudice path, ok?

Agree.

 

[earthsci]

Id rather judge the person on their merits rather than their speech pattern or looks..

I agree with this, but I can still understand the theory of this practice. Like Bill Polian said, judge them on their history.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Your either scared or hold some type of grudge against people that look like or talk like Marshawn.. Cuz all the time there are people on wall street commiting crimes.. Hell, Martha Stewart went to prison for crimes..

People everywhere and of all shapes/sizes/colors/classes commit crimes, but what these people are doing is looking at who commits them the most. Do more people in jail talk like Marshawn Lynch or Martha Stewart?

Larry Fitz looks like Marshawn and speaks in a different manner..

How on earth do they look alike? Do you and I look alike because we are both white and have short hair?

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You're right, I cant tell who's who

Id rather judge the person on their merits rather than their speech pattern or looks.. But you just keep winding down your prejudice path, ok?

LOL!!!! I am predudiced because I am repeating and agreeing with factual information? Keep up the libel bud, good job. OK, I'll continue my path while you fall further and further down the slide of ignorance.

 

[Mulli]

Prejudice: to prejudge. Not to hard to talk to someone, look at them, and then make a judgment based on the individual.

Pretty easy to see Adam jones was no good.

 

[Gee!]

How on earth do they look alike? Do you and I look alike because we are both white and have short hair?

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You're right, I cant tell who's who.

Ahh.. Pretty sly.. Take what was said and flip it in a subtle way to distract the attention off of yourself and place it on someone else.. You know exactly as does everyone else what you were referencing.. The dreads.. You come off as ignorant and happy to be that way about your prejudice..

 

[cardsfanmd]

Ahh.. Pretty sly.. Take what was said and flip it in a subtle way to distract the attention off of yourself and place it on someone else.. You know exactly as does everyone else what you were referencing.. The dreads.. You come off as ignorant and happy to be that way about your prejudice..

So they look alike because they have similar hair? And I'm the prejudiced one?

 

[cardsfanmd]

Prejudice: to prejudge. Not to hard to talk to someone, look at them, and then make a judgment based on the individual.

Pretty easy to see Adam jones was no good.

Please explain why I am being slandered as prejudiced here.

I am not and have not said that everyone who talks like PacMan or Lynch is a scumbag, just that STATISTICALLY more people who talk them commit crimes that people who talk like typical college graduates.

 

[Pariah]

Around the turn of the 20th century (1900) there was a guy who wanted to detect criminals before they committed crimes by measuring their heads and such.

Pretty f'd up to label people as something they've not yet proven themselves to be.

JMHO

 

[earthsci]

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[cardsfanmd]

Around the turn of the 20th century (1900) there was a guy who wanted to detect criminals before they committed crimes by measuring their heads and such.

Pretty f'd up to label people as something they've not yet proven themselves to be.

JMHO

Allright, I am gonna finish up here soon. Though you and I disagree on many matters, I know you're a smart guy, so riddle me this:

I would venture to say that poor grammar typically represents a lack of education. This is to say that you normally dont meet many college or even high school graduates who speak like my good buddy PacMan Jones. Again, not saying that EVERYONE who speaks like him has a lack of education (obviously since he doesn't) just that most who speak like him didn't go too far in school.

Am I prejucided for thinking this? Technically I am, because I really dont know these people. I guess though I would also be prejucided because if I saw Deion Sanders and Leonard Davis standing next to each other (and I didn't recognize them) I would assume Deion is the faster of the two. That is an assumption with no real proof. I saw a guy who looks to be in tip top shape and a guy who is big and slow-looking IN MY OPINION and assumed the first guy was faster. I know there are big people out there who could dust skinny guys any day of the week, yet I doubt the majority could. I concede that I was pre-judging them. Does that make me wrong?

It is a common fact that in areas where education is low, the crime rate is higher than area where the public shool system is more effective (since people without diplomas have a hard time finding good jobs). Right next to me, DC has one of the lowest graduation rates (I believe about 12% of the kids graduate HS there) while having one of the highest crime rates in the country. Is this a coincidence.

The US Justice Department says that people who didn't graduate HS commit crimes at a higher rate than those with HS diplomas. My computer keeps freezing and losing my posts, so I dont have time to look it up, but I know you can find it here. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/cvict_c.htm

What these people did was say that since A (people who speak as though they have little education) many times act like = B (people who have little or no education) and since B many times = C (criminals) why is it an astronomical stretch to say that in more cases A = C than D (average HS/College graduate who speaks as such) = C?

Why am I prejudiced for seeing (or thinking I see) these people's link?

 

[cardsfanmd]

I guess my main point is that while what this company is doing may not be fair to many players, pro football is a business. In business fair gets you nothing. The only thing that matters is revenue. To get revenue you must have production. Whatever gets you the most production is what you will go with. Anything that helps minimize monetary risks will be done. That is what this company is trying to sell to NFL teams.

 

[Mulli]

So are you less likely to draft/hire those from poor neighborhoods?

 

[cardsfanmd]

So are you less likely to draft/hire those from poor neighborhoods?

It's almost exactly the same thing. Statistically, people from statistically bad areas committ more crimes than those from statistically better areas. Obviously it isn't fair to many people, but the fact remains. These teams are not looking to be fair to everyone. They are looking to proctect their ASSets and make the safest pick.

 

[Mulli]

It's almost exactly the same thing. Statistically, people from statistically bad areas committ more crimes than those from statistically better areas. Obviously it isn't fair to many people, but the fact remains. These teams are not looking to be fair to everyone. They are looking to proctect their ASSets and make the safest pick.

So if there are statistically more black people in jail (percentage wise) teams should shy away from them? Especially if they grew up in poor hoods?

 

[cardsfanmd]

So if there are statistically more black people in jail (percentage wise) teams should shy away from them? Especially if they grew up in poor hoods?

Exactly. Not saying it's fair, just saying it happens. If you dont think teams would take a much closer look into a black kid from Baltimore's background than that of a white kid from Utah than I dont know what else to tell you.

 

[Lloydian]

This just makes me sad. And shame on this company for bragging that their profile indicates that Marshawn Lynch was likely to turn out bad.

Here's a scoop for you, my research shows that David Berkowitz, Ted Kaczinski, Sirhan Sirhan and Charles Manson were all likely to end up killers. How do you like that: I'm 4 for 4!

Let's try this: use your metrics for identifying likely lawbreakers among the current crop of draft choices, identify how you identified these people as likely lawbreakers (so an independent party can also note how others were not included), and we'll give you three years to show us that your numbers work. If so, I'll listen. Until then, you could just be pulling these statements from the wrong orifice.

 

[Skkorpion]

I thought the article would be of interest, so I put up the link. Does it have validity? Have no clue.

Nowhere was it suggested in the article that all black athletes who ghetto-speak were red flagged. That bias was inserted by those of you who knee-jerked that response.

My position is this: Character matters, especially when I'm thinking, as an owner, of spending millions of $$$s on a top ten pick. If something is available that works to help me evaluate character, I'd look into it.

We now know (guilty me) that Ryan Leaf was a huge character risk and the signs were there in college. Today, Mark Gastineau would have been out of football withiin 5 years. So too Bill Romanowski, I think. Obviously, I'm citing white players now. Notre Dame recently expelled a talented chronic hard-drinking aggressive problem player (white) whose name escapes me.

More blacks than whites play NFL football and a higher percentage of the black players seem to be from poorer, tougher, more crime ridden backgrounds. I'd expect that to translate into higher incidences of criminal behavior.

I'll give you one last white example. Ritchie Incognito. Tell me the signs were not there. No way I'd have drafted that turd of a human being. Would a speech pattern test have pointed him to be a red flag? If so, that test might be a good one.