NFL Network talks up Cutler to be a top 5 pick

[Toro]

The NFL Network is covering the Senior Bowl this afternoon and was drooling over Jay Cutler saying that he was a future franchise QB and move up in the draft.

They rated him as the #1 QB and a top 5 pick.

 

[Pariah]

They must not have seen him play.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I have never seen Cutler play, but I really doubt he's as good as everyone is hyping him up to be. Vandy and his numbers would be better if he was as legit as they say he is.

 

[joeshmo]

I have never seen Cutler play, but I really doubt he's as good as everyone is hyping him up to be. Vandy and his numbers would be better if he was as legit as they say he is.

It is a team sport, and Vandy doesnt have a team. He was the only reason they won as many games as they did. If Cutler was not on the team they probably would have went winless.

 

[Ryanwb]

It is a team sport, and Vandy doesnt have a team. He was the only reason they won as many games as they did. If Cutler was not on the team they probably would have went winless.

This sounds like someone who has never seen him play!!

 

[joeshmo]

This sounds like someone who has never seen him play!!

Twice on TV and twice on video (Just this past few weeks)

 

[NEZCardsfan]

Twice on TV and twice on video (Just this past few weeks)

But never live??

I hope Mel Kiper's shiny hair isn't influencing you any.

 

[john h]

I have never seen Cutler play, but I really doubt he's as good as everyone is hyping him up to be. Vandy and his numbers would be better if he was as legit as they say he is.

You need to understand Vanderbilt football. They would be more suited to play in the Ivy League both football wise and academic wise. A student actually has to be very smart to get in that place even if you can play football. You could put Joe Montana with Vanderbilt and they would
still be losers. They do on occasion have a decent basketball team. The SEC coaches very much like Cutler and I think they voted him the best in the SEC to start the season. He will be drafted and in the first round.

 

[NEZCardsfan]

John Elway never went to a bowl game or had a winning college record. People don't crush him for that.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Yeah, I know Vandy sucks. But Ole Miss was awful before and after Eli was there yet somehow during his tenure they put up good numbers and went to bowl games. I'm just skeptical because usually great QBs on the college level usually can elevate their teams to an above average level or put up astounding numbers trying. Cutler did neither which is why I need to actually see him play before proclaiming his greatness.

 

[joeshmo]

But never live??

I hope Mel Kiper's shiny hair isn't influencing you any.

I have seen him Alive. Does that count. But I havent seen him alive, live. My head hurts.

And Kipers Hair isnt shiny enough.

 

[Ryanwb]

Do we have to go over this for the seven hundreth time? It's invalid because you've never seen him play, and all you're doing is repeating someone else's opinion. If I want to know what Mel Kiper thinks, I'll go read the Mel Kiper publications.

 

[NEZCardsfan]

Do we have to go over this for the seven hundreth time? It's invalid because you've never seen him play, and all you're doing is repeating someone else's opinion. If I want to know what Mel Kiper thinks, I'll go read the Mel Kiper publications.

Have you ever seen Mel Kiper work?? I mean really sit down and watch him research and type his articles??

Please, until you actually have, your opinion on Mel Kiper is not valid.

 

[Ryanwb]

Have you ever seen Mel Kiper work?? I mean really sit down and watch him research and type his articles??

Please, until you actually have, your opinion on Mel Kiper is not valid.

I don't have to see him work, the numbers speak for themselves. I'm allergic to people who talk out of their butthole without having a clue about what they're supporting or criticizing. Vocally supporting a guy who you couldn't even be bothered to actually watch lets the whole board know how seriously to take your opinions. Maybe I'm just old school or something, but I find it a lot more interesting to hear from people who actually have something interesting and original to say based on their own experiences, not people who make a lot of noise about someone they've never laid eyes on. If I were in your position, I wouldn't make quite so much noise about someone I really didn't know anything about. Talk about setting yourself up to look stupid.

 

[Pariah]

Have you ever seen Mel Kiper work?? I mean really sit down and watch him research and type his articles??

Please, until you actually have, your opinion on Mel Kiper is not valid.

I think Ryan is just channelling Ed.

I've never actually seen this happen, though.

 

[conraddobler]

The issue isn't is he this or Kiper says this but what our scouting and management team thinks period.

I doubt they listen too much to Kiper.

Couple of Mac Drafts Kiper liked a lot, we bombed them, then DG came along and the production on the field is actually good now from our draft picks.

The problem here is again an issue of timing, once again we may or may not pick the guy based on our scouting department and managements needs and wants but this year in particular we are very unlikely too just because of the nature of the cycle we are in.

We are too near crunch time for DG to be excited by the pick of a guy like Cutler no matter how glowing a report he might get from said scouting department.... "filled with people who have actually seen him play"

So again we look back to a time when a good portion of the management team wanted Big Ben and yet Mr. newly hired new sherrif in town said I want Larry and we got Larry.

It's an absurd example of the continuing Cardinal Curse.

 

[NEZCardsfan]

I don't have to see him work, the numbers speak for themselves. I'm allergic to people who talk out of their butthole without having a clue about what they're supporting or criticizing. Vocally supporting a guy who you couldn't even be bothered to actually watch lets the whole board know how seriously to take your opinions. Maybe I'm just old school or something, but I find it a lot more interesting to hear from people who actually have something interesting and original to say based on their own experiences, not people who make a lot of noise about someone they've never laid eyes on. If I were in your position, I wouldn't make quite so much noise about someone I really didn't know anything about. Talk about setting yourself up to look stupid.

That is way over the top. I enjoy a spirited debate as much as anyone, but you need to chill out dude.

 

[Ryanwb]

That is way over the top. I enjoy a spirited debate as much as anyone, but you need to chill out dude.

I hope you know I was joking.... or was I?

 

[NEZCardsfan]

I'm so confused. I'm weeping like a teenage girl that just got dumped by a "Corey."

 

[CardsFan222]

Is the Sr bowl on this week or is it after the super bowl? I always forget



I have never seen the guy play but i got a buddy that lives on the tennessee-Kentucky border and he has seen Cutler play many-many times and he tells me he is a little over hyped and he thinks Andrew Walter was more of a prospect then Cutler

I need to see him play because what i have heard and read about him, i can not understand why people want to take this kid at number 10

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I hope he does go top 5. That's just make another better player available at 10.

 

[ajcardfan]

Look, I've seen the guy play. But, I sure never said "Hey, this guy is GREAT! Top five in the draft, baby!" I thought that he could be good, but this is classic draft overhype to declare him in the top 5 or the top player.

 

[Pariah]

Look, I've seen the guy play. But, I sure never said "Hey, this guy is GREAT! Top five in the draft, baby!" I thought that he could be good, but this is classic draft overhype to declare him in the top 5 or the top player.

Here's a question that gets to the heart of it: Do the NFL scouts create the hype, or do they buy into it?

I've got to believe that it's mostly that they create it. They scout these kids, then talk to guys in the media about what they're seeing and who they like. The other option is that the scouts just go off of what's said by reporters, because chances are this kid that you guys are saying is a 2nd or 3rd round talent will go in the first half of the first round.

 

[ajcardfan]

Here's a question that gets to the heart of it: Do the NFL scouts create the hype, or do they buy into it?

I've got to believe that it's mostly that they create it. They scout these kids, then talk to guys in the media about what they're seeing and who they like. The other option is that the scouts just go off of what's said by reporters, because chances are this kid that you guys are saying is a 2nd or 3rd round talent will go in the first half of the first round.

I've thought about this some and I think it's a self-feeding cycle. The scouts say something good. The media connects that with someone who they find to be a good story. One story leads to another...the fans starting talking.... the more talk from fans equals the media sensing interest.... and doing more stories..now, they go back to the scouts and they say "He's shooting up the boards", which is based on everyone talking about him.

Now, we'll see how he does in the Bowl and workouts. The buzz will build or get hit with a bucket of water.

 

[Pariah]

I've thought about this some and I think it's a self-feeding cycle. The scouts say something good. The media connects that with someone who they find to be a good story. One story leads to another...the fans starting talking.... the more talk from fans equals the media sensing interest.... and doing more stories..now, they go back to the scouts and they say "He's shooting up the boards", which is based on everyone talking about him.

Who's they in this case?

I don't think a guy can go into a meeting and say we really like Cutler in the first after a month ago reporting to the GM and Owners that Cutler might be an option in the 3rd round. It's not going to fly if his reason is, "well, lots of people are talking about him."

We'll see though. As far as evaluation, the test comes on draft day. If some team (which probably means more than one team) has him rated as a top-5, top-10 or top-15 player, that's where he'll probably go. I really don't think media hype is going to get a kid drafted one or two rounds early on the first day.

JHMO