NFL says all teams must add minority offensive coach, expands Rooney Rule to include women

[Stout]

I mean, there are social problems, lack of awareness of social problems, ignorance of social problems, and willful ignorance of social problems.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I see why I left this board originally. God forbid you have an opinion other than the approved one of the most vocal people or you will just be shouted down and forced to comply with the group think.

How does anyone on a message board of all places force you to comply with the group think?

 

[gimpy]

There are people discussing it from both ends. No one is shouting down other opinions.

Says you.

 

[Dback Jon]

Says you.

Just read the thread. There are multiple posters on both sides of the issue. Everyone is expressing opinions. That's what happens on a message board.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Just read the thread. There are multiple posters on both sides of the issue. Everyone is expressing opinions. That's what happens on a message board.

The entire thread started by one side sharing their opinion.

 

[legend]

Todd Boles just got awfully lucky . .

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I see why I left this board originally. God forbid you have an opinion other than the approved one of the most vocal people or you will just be shouted down and forced to comply with the group think.

Lol who are the most vocal? I think every poster can make that statement. Board seems pretty balanced lately.

 

[PACardsFan]

I believe it to be a form of racism to either not hire someone BASED on the color of their skin, their gender, their ethnicity, or their creed OR to hire someone BASED on the color of their skin, their gender, ethnicity, or creed. Mandating anything never resolves anything. Does the NFL need to continue to monitor these hiring practices? Absolutely. Should they be mandating these decisions. I would say no. And for God's sake, stop going to the ownership of the Steelers for answers.

 

[AZman5103]

It’s because they don’t just want more minority coaches - they want more minority coaches to have shots as head coaching and GM gigs. And my understanding is that at present there’s a larger percentage of those roles coming from the offensive side of the ball where there’s a lesser number of minorities being hired.

It’s like if a company has two career tracks. Career track A lead to management and leadership positions all the time and track B rarely did. The company hired few minorities for A, but a lot of minorities for B so their hiring of minorities overall looked good, but it was unrealistic to expect many to make it to management or leadership positions due to the track for which they were hired.

Bit that's total and complete bullcrap, and you know it. Defense and defensive coaches are just as important as offensive coaches. It is 1/2 the game, and just as vital to building a successful organization. The trends might be scewing more towards high powered offense right now, but it's a trend and will swing back the other way at some point.

Saying that we need to force more minorities into coaching offense if they want a shot at a HC job is silly. A good coach is a good coach, and those are the ones that get HC jobs. For years people have been telling minority coaches...you aren't getting a HC shot because you're not white. Now it's going to be...because you're not white AND your coaching the wrong thing? Maybe that was the problem all along then?

 

[AZman5103]

The NFL is not impervious to ridiculously silly decisions

It's just stupid. And the people on this board trying to act like this is needed are missing the entire point. So the NFL can't just say, we want more minority coaches in the league and move towards that. They have to say, we want more minority coaches in the league at the positions we decide for them.

That is literally the same thing as the NFL saying, we are fine with the number of white players in the NFL, but not at halfback. We think it would look better for us if we had more white RBs, so we are going to require teams to carry one on their team. No one, including the self righteous people on this board would be ok with that, and would say such a requirement is hurting the game and that spot should go to the most qualified player regardless of race

 

[AZman5103]

There's no point in continuing. You can't see the forest for the trees.

Dumb. You're argument is that the NFL has decided that of minority coaches want a job they must coach offense. What if that minority coach CHOOSES to coach defense...you know because it is literally 1/2 the game and just as important.

It's like MLB integrating baseball...but only for infielders. Black players only belong in the infield.

 

[AZman5103]

There are some people that want to believe virtue signaling is a thing so they can feel good about (a) not doing anything to help those less fortunate due to institutional racism; and (b) not only don’t help but actively work against fighting racism by making up things like “virtue signaling” to downgrade the reality of institutional racism.

Guess what? People who walk the walk aren’t “signaling,” it’s called actual virtue. You should try it sometime as you’ll be a net positive for society and it actually makes you feel good about yourself.

Wait are you saying virtue signaling is nor real? That's just as ridiculous as someone saying institutional racism isn't real.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Dumb. You're argument is that the NFL has decided that of minority coaches want a job they must coach offense. What if that minority coach CHOOSES to coach defense...you know because it is literally 1/2 the game and just as important.

It's like MLB integrating baseball...but only for infielders. Black players only belong in the infield.

Are you being intentionally obtuse? There is a rule that they must have AT LEAST one minority candidate on their offensive staff. No one is stopping them from having more than one, or some on the defensive side of the ball.

No, it is more like Jackie Robinson than your analogy.

 

[AZman5103]

Are you being intentionally obtuse? There is a rule that they must have AT LEAST one minority candidate on their offensive staff. No one is stopping them from having more than one, or some on the defensive side of the ball.

No, it is more like Jackie Robinson than your analogy.

Are you? Why is the NFL prioritizing an offensive coach over any other job? Why isnt there are rule saying they must have AT LEAST one defensive coach...or special teams coach...or assistant GM?

You are missing the entire point that the NFL deciding to REQUIRE that a certain type of person fill a certain specific role is stupid and demeans the entire process. Who is the NFL....the organization that everyone says is racist to the bone...the tell a minority coach which side of the ball they have to specialize in?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Are you? Why is the NFL prioritizing an offensive coach over any other job? Why isnt there are rule saying they must have AT LEAST one defensive coach...or special teams coach...or assistant GM?

You are missing the entire point that the NFL deciding to REQUIRE that a certain type of person fill a certain specific role is stupid and demeans the entire process. Who is the NFL....the organization that everyone says is racist to the bone...the tell a minority coach which side of the ball they have to specialize in?

All you had to do is read what has already been posted. Over 80% of minority coaches are ALREADY on the defensive side o the ball. That's why they don't need a rule there.

 

[AZman5103]

All you had to do is read what has already been posted. Over 80% of minority coaches are ALREADY on the defensive side o the ball. That's why they don't need a rule there.

You are right. The NFL does not need any more minority coaches.

 

[Cheesebeef]

i just can't believe how much bigotry, veiled or otherwise, is just allowed to run rampant all over this board now.

 

[Krangodnzr]

i just can't believe how much bigotry, veiled or otherwise, is just allowed to run rampant all over this board now.

Started getting worse back in 2016...

 

[Krangodnzr]

Are you? Why is the NFL prioritizing an offensive coach over any other job? Why isnt there are rule saying they must have AT LEAST one defensive coach...or special teams coach...or assistant GM?

You are missing the entire point that the NFL deciding to REQUIRE that a certain type of person fill a certain specific role is stupid and demeans the entire process. Who is the NFL....the organization that everyone says is racist to the bone...the tell a minority coach which side of the ball they have to specialize in?

The reason offense is because the league trend right now is that teams want offensive head coaches. So there is another barrier to minority coaches getting a shot at a top gig.

Pretty simple.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

You are right. The NFL does not need any more minority coaches.

Banned and thread locked.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

The entire thread started by one side sharing their opinion.

It was started by posting an ESPN article, not an opinion.