Nick Bosa-How does he compare with Clowney and Garrett?

[Lomax to Green 84]

How does Nick Bosa compare with the last 2 edge rushers (Jadaveon Clooney and Myles Garrett) who went #1 overall in 2014 and 2017? I haven’t seen Bosa play enough to make a judgement. Clowned and Garrett were considered elite, generational talents coming out of college. Is Bosa as highly rated? It would be something to pair him with Chandler. I’ve seen quite a few Quinnen Williams games and he is also really good. Just curious what everyone thinks about Bosa.

 

[CardLogic]

Let's just say - he is not his brother.

T.J. Watt is an starting OLB for the Pittsburgh Steelers, and this season his number aren't that far off those of his older brother, J.J. Watt. Yet TJ does not have the type of impact that JJ does in Houston. I think the same applies to the Bosa brothers, but to an even greater extent. Nick Bosa's effectiveness in the NFL will not be close to that of his older brother, Chargers DE, Joey Bosa

 

[DVontel]

Let's just say - he is not his brother.

Man, you could’ve went so many ways with this.

T.J. Watt is an starting OLB for the Pittsburgh Steelers, and this season his number aren't that far off those of his older brother, J.J. Watt. Yet TJ does not have the type of impact that JJ does in Houston. I think the same applies to the Bosa brothers, but to an even greater extent. Nick Bosa's effectiveness in the NFL will not be close to that of his older brother, Chargers DE, Joey Bosa

Yet you completely go the complete opposite way. Smh.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Bosa is not the talent of Garret or Clowney. Those guys are explosive athletes while Bosa is more of a technician. I'm not a fan of taking Bosa #1 overall. I do think he'd be a safe pick and has very little bust potential, sans injury.

 

[ARZCardinals]

1 player no matter how good isn't going to affect this mess.

You can throw a piece of steak in a poop sandwich and it's still a poop sandwich.

 

[AZCB34]

I am not a Bosa fan...really anywhere in the draft, but definitely not #1 overall.

 

[az jam]

My concern is his injury history. He blew out his ACL in high school and missed most of his junior year with injury. Unfortunately, I don't see anyone as a clear number one stand out pick.

 

[DVontel]

Garrett & Clowney were freak athletes. Bosa is a bonafide technician. I think Bosa will easily be better than Clowney, & that’s not a knock on Clowney. Bosa is just way more advanced than Clowney was. Hell, Bosa is still more advanced than Clowney is now. Dating back to High School, Bosa has been healthy 5 & some change out of the 7 seasons. His ACL tear was very clean & was a core injury, not a ligament/achiliies tear or anything.

I can think of a lot of guys picked high in the draft that stayed healthy throughout their HS & college careers & instantly start having durability problems the second they stepped in the NFL. Hell, the guy I mentioned earlier, Clowney, is a big example.

 

[Chopper0080]

DVontel has it right. CBus as well. Best thing about Bosa is that his rookie deal will be up as Chandler Jones deal expires. You wouldn't have to worry about two huge DE contracts at once.

My question is would I rather have a FA DT and Nick Bosa/Markus Golden OR Quinnen Williams and FA DE/Markus Golden.

Where I really get stuck is I like a bunch of the other DTs in this class. The idea of Bosa and Derrick Brown is pretty tempting.

It gets tough because we have a lot of holes to fill prior to the draft. I hope we will a bunch so we can just go get the best talent that is available. Offense or defense. We will see. If we can go into the season with a fixed offensive line and a top 10 pass rush, I think that is a recipe for success.

 

[DVontel]

DVontel has it right. CBus as well. Best thing about Bosa is that his rookie deal will be up as Chandler Jones deal expires. You wouldn't have to worry about two huge DE contracts at once.

My question is would I rather have a FA DT and Nick Bosa/Markus Golden OR Quinnen Williams and FA DE/Markus Golden.

Where I really get stuck is I like a bunch of the other DTs in this class. The idea of Bosa and Derrick Brown is pretty tempting.

It gets tough because we have a lot of holes to fill prior to the draft. I hope we will a bunch so we can just go get the best talent that is available. Offense or defense. We will see. If we can go into the season with a fixed offensive line and a top 10 pass rush, I think that is a recipe for success.

Eh, Bosa shouldn’t be a replacement for Chandler, they should be like Batman & Superman until Chandler lodes the juice, which I will think happen about 4-5 years from now. I don’t think Golden will get a huge deal due to his injury/play the past 2 years. I think we should draft Bosa while still keeping Golden on like a 2 year deal. Can never have enough pass rushers.

 

[Buckeye Cardinal]

If we don’t fix the Oline and WR corps it won’t matter who we get on defense.

 

[daves]

His ACL tear was very clean & was a core injury, not a ligament/achiliies tear or anything.

This confuses me.

...dave

 

[Veer]

My best guess is he won't go 1st overall. Guys like him tend to fall once the predraft hype trains leave the station. That said, he may very well end up the most consistent pass rusher in the draft. Just don't know if the 1st overall pick is worth it. In theory, 1st overall should be safe. However, with the 1st you swing for the fences. Anyway, I fully expect us to trade down if possible.

 

[DVontel]

My best guess is he won't go 1st overall. Guys like him tend to fall once the predraft hype trains leave the station. That said, he may very well end up the most consistent pass rusher in the draft. Just don't know if the 1st overall pick is worth it. In theory, 1st overall should be safe. However, with the 1st you swing for the fences. Anyway, I fully expect us to trade down if possible.

I’m curious. What do you mean “guys like him”? Overrated?

 

[Zeno]

This confuses me.

...dave

Me too as the L in ACL is ligament.

 

[Lagerfilled]

Bosa is not the talent of Garret or Clowney. Those guys are explosive athletes while Bosa is more of a technician. I'm not a fan of taking Bosa #1 overall. I do think he'd be a safe pick and has very little bust potential, sans injury.

Ding ding and that’s from a Bucks fan.

QWill or Oliver are who we should pick

 

[Finito]

Let's just say - he is not his brother.

T.J. Watt is an starting OLB for the Pittsburgh Steelers, and this season his number aren't that far off those of his older brother, J.J. Watt. Yet TJ does not have the type of impact that JJ does in Houston. I think the same applies to the Bosa brothers, but to an even greater extent. Nick Bosa's effectiveness in the NFL will not be close to that of his older brother, Chargers DE, Joey Bosa

That's way wrong Nick is considered better than Joey by pretty much everybody.

 

[DVontel]

This confuses me.

...dave

Basically no soft tissue or meniscus damage.

 

[DVontel]

Me too as the L in ACL is ligament.

That was intended to mean it was just a core injury & not another ACL injury.

 

[gmabel830]

This year's draft reminds me of 2013.. It's no wonder we will get the #1 pick

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[DVontel]

This year's draft reminds me of 2013.. It's no wonder we will get the #1 pick

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How?

 

[AZCrazy]

Any way we can manipulate a top pick into two middle round 1sts? I'd love to get maybe DK Metcalf and Devin White in the middle of the round rather than a Chandler Jones clone at the top of the round.

The crazy haul that teams have reaped in the last few years trading out of the top spots is really what we need to consider, with so many holes.

 

[vince56]

1 player no matter how good isn't going to affect this mess.

That's kinda unfair. We're only 6 or so offensive linemen, 3 wide receivers, a couple tight ends, linebackers, defensive tackles and a competent coaching staff away from competing for third place in the division. The future is bright!

 

[gmabel830]

How?

2013 had a huge run on offensive linemen early, few skill position players and no marquee QBs.. swap out O-line for D-line and I think you get this year.. 2013 was a very bad draft.. I hope this year's turns out better, but I am skeptical.

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[GatorAZ]

He’s very polished like Jarrett Allen was. Not a freak of nature but gets off the snap with good burst.

I think he will be a better pass rusher than Jadeveon Clowney. Clowney is incredible vs the run and cannot be moved. I think because of that he has to pick his spots and might disappear for weeks on the sack sheet. It’s hard to compare anyone to Clowney.

It’s too early to call right now with Bosa’s injury as he would’ve likely put up monster numbers. I’m interested to see Q Williams vs that elite Oklahoma OL and Kyler Murray.