Niners Vs. Arizona by position

[Krangodnzr]

49er's Troll:

The quote was from the NCOIC of the Special Forces Selection and Assessment course. I'm with 4th Stryker Brigade Combat Team, 2nd Infantry Division. I work at the Battalion level as an Intelligence Analyst. It's a great job if you don't mind sitting at a desk most of the time. I have gotten to go out on a few patrols, but my daily job limits that kind of fun

Oh I'd take Smith over Dockett or Campbell, but I think that overall our defensive ends are better if you look at the rotation.

Also, look at the game that Adrian Peterson had against us....one of the worst of his career! We shut him down. The weakness of our run defense last year was 1. Bert Berry was god awful against the run. 2. BOTH of our starting ILB were injured. Gerald Hayes was a shadow of the thumper he normally was.

That's why so many of our fans were dismayed over losing Dansby; granted he was hurt, but without him we had no one there to fill in. Washington should step right in and produce fairly early in the season and LB is one of the easiest positions to play right away.

 

[49erTroll]

49er's Troll:

The quote was from the NCOIC of the Special Forces Selection and Assessment course. I'm with 4th Stryker Brigade Combat Team, 2nd Infantry Division. I work at the Battalion level as an Intelligence Analyst. It's a great job if you don't mind sitting at a desk most of the time. I have gotten to go out on a few patrols, but my daily job limits that kind of fun

Oh I'd take Smith over Dockett or Campbell, but I think that overall our defensive ends are better if you look at the rotation.

Also, look at the game that Adrian Peterson had against us....one of the worst of his career! We shut him down. The weakness of our run defense last year was 1. Bert Berry was god awful against the run. 2. BOTH of our starting ILB were injured. Gerald Hayes was a shadow of the thumper he normally was.

That's why so many of our fans were dismayed over losing Dansby; granted he was hurt, but without him we had no one there to fill in. Washington should step right in and produce fairly early in the season and LB is one of the easiest positions to play right away.

Yeah Im nervous as well as excited about joining special forces. Im a gun owner and thrill seeker (sky diving, great white fishing, wakeboarding etc. ) But im having problems sticking with waking up early everyday and staying consistent...I hope its a maturity thing and I gain it real quick.

Back to football. I totally agree with you and I think you guys did the best you could to shore up the defense against the run. However that doesnt cahnge the fact that your going to have two rookies at the heart of your defense. So like I keep telling your cardinal brethren, theres just to many intangibles to even have an inkling how your team will be next year.

 

[187]

Back to football. I totally agree with you and I think you guys did the best you could to shore up the defense against the run. However that doesnt cahnge the fact that your going to have two rookies at the heart of your defense. So like I keep telling your cardinal brethren, theres just to many intangibles to even have an inkling how your team will be next year.

I agree about us not truly "knowing" how our team will turn out do to the uncertainties, but as far as having two rookies in the heart of our defense that might not be the case in the beginning. Whiz isn't going to "hand them the keys" even if they were drafted high and I am definitely not expecting them to start from week 1. Williams is definitely going to be splitting time with Gabe Watson who was very good against the run last year. I think Washington has the better chance of starting sooner because the transition to ILB is pretty easy, but so is the transition to RB and Beanie didn't consistently get a fair share of carries until midway through the season. Whiz will work them into the mix slowly unless they really show him something in camp/preseason.

The division will be interesting this season, you seem like a 49ers fan that isn't a complete homer with no logic, so I guess if we have to have a "49er Troll" on the board it could be worse

 

[Zeno]

Oh our coaches are better, the entire staff. When you compare the head coaches its not even close. Singletary is more bluster than substance.

 

[49erTroll]

I agree about us not truly "knowing" how our team will turn out do to the uncertainties, but as far as having two rookies in the heart of our defense that might not be the case in the beginning. Whiz isn't going to "hand them the keys" even if they were drafted high and I am definitely not expecting them to start from week 1. Williams is definitely going to be splitting time with Gabe Watson who was very good against the run last year. I think Washington has the better chance of starting sooner because the transition to ILB is pretty easy, but so is the transition to RB and Beanie didn't consistently get a fair share of carries until midway through the season. Whiz will work them into the mix slowly unless they really show him something in camp/preseason.

The division will be interesting this season, you seem like a 49ers fan that isn't a complete homer with no logic, so I guess if we have to have a "49er Troll" on the board it could be worse

Thanks I appreciate it

 

[49erTroll]

Oh our coaches are better, the entire staff. When you compare the head coaches its not even close. Singletary is more bluster than substance.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/ratings

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...on-for-nfl-coach-of-the-year?search_query=nfl coach of the year

I mean I know you guys have a good coach but I think you are the first person Ive ever heard say anything even remotly negative about him. Hes only been a coach for one year and hes assembled a top 10 defense. Pivotal in forming the best TE in the league and developing the best LB in the league. His fiery speeches and personal control makes him widely loved by many niner fans. And trust me where a spoiled bunch and where not satisfied easily...

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Even if all those comparisons were true, which they're not, you forgot one huge factor:

The Cardinals coaching staff is way better than SF's.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

....everything so far has been fact now all you could argure is who has the better QB and whose cheerleaders are hotter.

LOL.

Yeah, call the Cardinals in Scottsdale, tell them to cancel the season. The facts are out, and we are screwed.

The Niners are improving, and there is no doubt they are the biggest threat to our NFC West defense in 2010.

But we will see.

BTW, You forgot to compare coaching staffs as well.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I mean I know you guys have a good coach but I think you are the first person Ive ever heard say anything even remotly negative about him. Hes only been a coach for one year and hes assembled a top 10 defense. Pivotal in forming the best TE in the league and developing the best LB in the league. His fiery speeches and personal control makes him widely loved by many niner fans. And trust me where a spoiled bunch and where not satisfied easily...

Davis is no where near the best tight end in the league. I would take Health Miller over Davis any day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

Patrick Willis IS the best linebacker in the league by a long shot tho. I don't have too much faith in Singletary as a head coach, but it would be crazy to not think he is turning Willis into a beast through his coaching, and knowledge of the position.

Good thread tho. Nice to stir up the board a little bit on a lazy post-draft weekday.

 

[PACardsFan]

Even if all those comparisons were true, which they're not, you forgot one huge factor:

The Cardinals coaching staff is way better than SF's.

More important than any other factor discussed. The talent level can be debated, but the difference usually lies with the coaching staff. Whisenhunt has proven that he's special. Singletary's approach will burn the Niners out. He's the Billy Martin of the NFL. Until he gets to the playoffs & beyond, he's no better than Rich Kotite. You can say what you want, but at the end of the day, we are still the two-time defending NFC West Champions. Until that changes, ****!!!!!!!!

 

[Mulli]

Billy Martin won. A lot. Singletary is Dave McGinnis. Or Dave Wannstedt.

 

[Buckybird]

But ya couldnt beat us though!

And you guys still finished 2 games back in the standings & sitting at home for the playoffs

 

[CaptTurbo]

only way 9ers win the division is if Leinart is a bust.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

But im having problems sticking with waking up early everyday and staying consistent...I hope its a maturity thing and I gain it real quick.

I wouldn't worry about it. You're problem will be removing the size 12 EE jump boot that's been inserted up your butt if you don't wake up.

Seriously, I wish you all the luck in the world.

 

[Gee!]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/ratings

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...on-for-nfl-coach-of-the-year?search_query=nfl coach of the year

I mean I know you guys have a good coach but I think you are the first person Ive ever heard say anything even remotly negative about him. Hes only been a coach for one year and hes assembled a top 10 defense. Pivotal in forming the best TE in the league and developing the best LB in the league. His fiery speeches and personal control makes him widely loved by many niner fans. And trust me where a spoiled bunch and where not satisfied easily...

Coach Pants on the ground Pants on the ground Looking like a fool with his pants on the ground.. Ya, nope, Cant think of one bad thing to say about Singletary..

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I appreciate the optimism but IM speaking not about whose ready or what could happen or if this guy was here. Im speaking straight up whose better now TODAY. Save your injuries and the so and so is ready to explode stuff for a pep rally.

Justin smith- Hands down widely considered the best 3-4 D lineman in the game. Go look at his pressures and his player ranking. He has a tremendous motor and great size. Plus better stats than campbell

Abroyo Franklin has one job. Eat blocks. He does it all game. Which is a big reason our MLBs are able to run free and why our team as a whole tied for 3rd in sacks.

Gore is a top 5 running back on everybodies fantasy board.....but no your right your backups better.

Our "D" line produced 17 sacks: Dockett (7) Campbell (7) Branch (1) Robinson (1)

(Campbell 7 sacks as a first year starter. Smith: 6 sacks)

Total sacks: Cards: 43 - SF: 44
Sacks given up: Card: 26 - SF: 40
Interceptions: Cards: 21 - SF: 18
Interceptions given up: Cards: 18 - SF: 14

Gore: 229/1120 - 4.9 - 10 Tds
Wells 176/793 - 4.5 - 7 Tds (as a rookie)

 

[kerouac9]

It's amazing with your stacked roster that you lost to Seattle and got jackstomped in your own house by Atlanta.

45-10? Man, that must've been a fun game to sit through in that abomination of a stadium.

 

[Krangodnzr]

As you can see, none of us are impressed with Singletary.

He's an OK coach, but the Niners are getting by on young talent and I don't really believe he's a great coach.

The way he ran training camp led to the team sucking in the second half, since there was a lot of hitting. Coach Whisenhunt doesn't really push the players to hit in training camp because it causes the players to wear down at the end of the year.

Think of it this way: Whisenhunt was coaching a Super Bowl team by the end of his second season! I seriously doubt the 9ers will be in a Super Bowl next year.

 

[Lagerfilled]

I'm not going to come on here and talk about who's is bigger. What I do know is we are a MUCH better matchup against the Whiners now without Warner. When you're slinging it 45-50 times a game, the 9ers could rush 4 and drop 7. Tee off time. Not anymore! With our power run game and heavy play action, we will have far more success against the 9ers than last year. Mark my words. What concerns me more than anything is stopping their run game when they have two TEs on the field. That will be the key!

 

[kerouac9]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/ratings

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...on-for-nfl-coach-of-the-year?search_query=nfl coach of the year

I mean I know you guys have a good coach but I think you are the first person Ive ever heard say anything even remotly negative about him. Hes only been a coach for one year and hes assembled a top 10 defense. Pivotal in forming the best TE in the league and developing the best LB in the league. His fiery speeches and personal control makes him widely loved by many niner fans. And trust me where a spoiled bunch and where not satisfied easily...

Apparently y'all were satisfied with a coach who goes 3-1 to begin the season but ends up 8-8 and only 3-7 against teams who didn't pick in the Top 10 of the NFL draft.

Lots of great coaches have four-game losing streaks in the middle of the season.

 

[seesred]

Well you are trying to convince us I guess! Everything on your team is better. You don't say, How, why, or who you think is better. Granted we always seam to have problems beating the Niners, to say they are bettter just because, is just what a 9 year old would say after puting a finger in each ear and wigggle them. Grow up youngster.

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[82CardsGrad]

I just gotta say that was an awesome assement of your team. Seriously, kudos for the no bull totally realistic breakdown.

But of course I need to argue one or two points.

your first point is Im sorry to say is almost laughable.

Gore is a perennial probowler and fantasy stud with the stats to prove it he avgerages 5 yrds a carry.

You might not be aware so I'll grant you some slack... but Beanie missed most of training camp last season - as a rookie. He came on extremely strong in the 2nd half of the season last year and many experts believe we are about to see an incredible break-out season from him. Hightower is a scoring machine. He's been in the league for 2 seasons and already had 18 TD's! Gore's been in the NFL fro 5 seasons and has 32 TD's. So again, the combination of Wells and Hightower is > than Gore.

Second point-isnt it kind of hypocritical of you to laugh at me for using rookies in the equation when you did the same thing regarding D. Williams.

You seem like a fairly intelligent football fan -for a being a 9er fan anyway... I'm sure you would agree that a first rounder D-Lineman has a far greater opportunity and it way more likely to contribute in his rookie season, than are rookie o-lineman - right?

 

[TJ]

The funny thing is that us and the 49ers have alternated season sweeps since 2006. In 2006, Cards swept. 2007 49ers swept. 2008 Cards swept. 2009 49ers swept.

With that said, history is not on the 49ers side in 2010.

And I'll say this. There is only one certainty in the NFC West this season and that's the Rams will finish last again. But the more the media and the division rivals doubt the Cardinals, the sorrier they're going to be come season's end

 

[cardsfanmd]

Other than Fitzergerald I dont think that ya'll have any players that are better by position.
Our RBs are far better

D-line is better (Im sure youll argue this one but the stats are there)

Our O-line should now be much better. ( 4 first rounders)

Our LBS are far better with the best MLB in the league( see P.willy and Co.)

Our TE is the best

Our DBS are better

Your WR is one of the best

....everything so far has been fact now all you could argure is who has the better QB and whose cheerleaders are hotter.

WR-- Cardinals

QB-- Cardinals--Leinart hasn't proven anything, but Smith has already proven to suck. Our #2 is better.

RB-- 49ers---Much closer than you think though. I think the Cards may run for more as a team this year

TE-- 49ers

OL-- Cardinals-- 9ers had arguably the 2nd or 3rd worst line in the league over the last two years

DL-- Cardinals--- Either one of our DE's would be the best guy on your line and we just added the consesus #1 NT in the draft

ILB-- 49ers-- win--no contest

OLB-- Cardinals-- Porter's sacks in last two years > all 49er OLBs last year

S-- Cardinals-- with 2 Pro Bowlers starting, this isn't close

CB-- wash-- DRC better than Clements but you guys have better depth

Coaching--- Cards-- Whiz is to Singletary what Cards are to 49ers---a two time division winner and a conference champ

 

[TJ]

WR-- Cardinals

QB-- Cardinals--Leinart hasn't proven anything, but Smith has already proven to suck. Our #2 is better.

RB-- 49ers---Much closer than you think though. I think the Cards may run for more as a team this year

TE-- 49ers

OL-- Cardinals-- 9ers had arguably the 2nd or 3rd worst line in league last two years

DL-- Cardinals--- Either one of our DE's would be the best guy on your line and we just added the consesus #1 NT in the drfat

ILB-- 49ers-- win--no contest

OLB-- Cardinals-- Porter's sacks in last two years > all 49er OLBs last year LBs

S-- Cardinals-- with 2 Pro Bowlers starting, this isn't close

CB-- wash-- DRC better than Clements but you guys have better depth

Coaching--- Cards-- Whiz is to Singletary what cards are to 49ers---a two time division winner and a conference champ

Voice of reason. Good stuff