No D'Antoni decision till next week

[Treesquid PhD]

You guys are ridiculous. Sarver is not cheap. Dumb, maybe. But not cheap. If I recall, he spent more for the Suns than any other new owner in NBA history. Then he had to clean up the mess that was left for him.

Everyone was calling him crazy for signing Nash to such a huge contract. Was he being cheap then? No.

They're 9th out of 30 teams as far as payroll. While I hate giving up the draft picks, imagine if they kept them - AND Kurt Thomas. Thomas would be earning, what, $16,000,000 a year? (Due to being over the LT.) So Sarver / Kerr panicked and made a bad trade. I don't think it's being "cheap" when you don't want to pay Thomas 16 million.

Judge him in 2 years when O'neal and Nash come off the books. Though, no matter what he does with the money, I'm sure he'll be called cheap by the all-knowing fans.

How much Sarver and his friends paid for the Suns is irrelevent in my opinion. That crutch does not compute.

However, Sarver is getting the cheap label unfairly, what might be more appropriate is he runs this team like the guy who makes 150K per year and never has any money. Gathering bad debts on money making schemes (Shaq), over paying for bad items (Banks, Diaw), living paycheck to paycheck and selling his stuff on Ebay (Draft picks) just to make his house (arena) payment.

 

[nowagimp]

Coach D will not be in the market for long. And wherever he goes, I'll be rooting for him. I love his style of basketball.

If he goes to the bulls, cox televises bulls games regularly. With all those young horses, it would almost be like the early SSOL suns with some of those sold draft picks(Deng), but no nash. I think nash will be in "savakerr hell" anyways.

I could watch those Bulls, just for the basketball.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

If he goes to the bulls, cox televises bulls games regularly. With all those young horses, it would almost be like the early SSOL suns with some of those sold draft picks(Deng), but no nash. I think nash will be in "savakerr hell" anyways.

I could watch those Bulls, just for the basketball.

What made the SSOL Suns so good was a transcendent point guard with amazing decision making. Kirk Hinrich is a far cry from Steve Nash, and doesn't have a fraction of the playmaking skills that Steve has. Say what you want about Steve's defense, but his passing ability is what made those SSOL Suns so good.

 

[cly2tw]

What made the SSOL Suns so good was a transcendent point guard with amazing decision making. Kirk Hinrich is a far cry from Steve Nash, and doesn't have a fraction of the playmaking skills that Steve has. Say what you want about Steve's defense, but his passing ability is what made those SSOL Suns so good.

I think DA got lazy with Nash steering the offense for him. But he used to be successful in europe without Nash-type PGs. So, I do believe he could make the best use of the roster in Chicago to make it to the 2nd round in the East.

One of DA's weakness is that he can use only finished products on his bench like TT, JimJ, Gira. And Bulls offer a solid 11-man deep roster. The young players Noah, Tyrus, Sefolosha are all what he likes. He could do some magic there.

 

[gdiddy]

Guys, Nash is a moot point. He's getting old and is in his final years of playing the game. CP3 has already one-upped him. Mike D'Antoni is well aware of that. The whole point is to start with a young core to help build them into future contenders. Get out of the past.

That's why the whole firesale of draft picks by Saver-Sarver was a big deal. The main issue from 2004-2008 was who would backup Nash? Can Nash play 38 mpg every single night? Every year it was the same freakin' complaint: lousy bench, no defense, too much playing time for Nash.

And don't give me this crap about Barbosa. He has a very long way to go.

SSOL is not only dead because of the changed Suns lineup, but also because you have teams like LA and NO catching on to the strategy.

The most shameful thing out of this whole situation is a 2-time MVP that's a total class act on and off the court will lose out on a chance to win a championship. Didn't we sing a similar tune for former Suns players (Barkley, KJ)?

 

[Chaplin]

Actually Sarver didn't spend the most money. The investment group did. Sarver is just the senior partner. So it's not like Sarver has this legendary cost that nobody has spent before from an individual standpoint.

What mess? The team was in negotiations long before the team was sold. The investment group had conditions around costs and salary that had to be met before the sale was complete. Hence selling of picks, salary dumps etc.... The "mess" was cleaned up before the sale was completed.

He's being considered cheap because we could have kept a player of Joe's caliber by offering 5 million more. That amount would not have bumped us over the luxury tax and made some subsequent moves that happened after avoidable. He has been considered cheap because he sold draft picks that again would not have placed us over the cap at the time.

I don't think anybody is saying that Sarver should spend every penny he has. However, is it unreasonable for fans to want Sarver to do everything he can to put a winning franchise on the floor with him increasing ticket prices and constantly telling the media that he is all about winning?

Are you kidding me?? You Sarver-haters are ridiculous, one sentence you are adamant about Sarver being only the senior partner of the investment group, and the next you're calling him cheap because of financial decisions HE made. Great logic there.

On this board, there should be a replace feature so that anytime someone types "Sarver", it replaces it with "the investment group with Sarver at its head".

There have been mistakes by this organization, but to pin them all on Sarver alone is unrealistic and just plain wrong. Unlike D'Antoni's boneheaded in-game coaching decisions, financial issues are made by a collective body, not just one man.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

Are you kidding me?? You Sarver-haters are ridiculous, one sentence you are adamant about Sarver being only the senior partner of the investment group, and the next you're calling him cheap because of financial decisions HE made. Great logic there.

On this board, there should be a replace feature so that anytime someone types "Sarver", it replaces it with "the investment group with Sarver at its head".

There have been mistakes by this organization, but to pin them all on Sarver alone is unrealistic and just plain wrong. Unlike D'Antoni's boneheaded in-game coaching decisions, financial issues are made by a collective body, not just one man.

I see what you are saying but Sarver doesn't seem to mind being called the owner when he is piping off on KTAR or jumping around courtside like the gorilla's illegitimate child. And if the Suns win the title (unlikely) will the entire investment group be standing there on national TV accepting the trophy? Sarver hate just comes with the territory I am sure he knows it, he could be like the head of the Spurs and just be an unknown.

 

[Chaplin]

I see what you are saying but Sarver doesn't seem to mind being called the owner when he is piping off on KTAR or jumping around courtside like the gorilla's illegitimate child. And if the Suns win the title (unlikely) will the entire investment group be standing there on national TV accepting the trophy? Sarver hate just comes with the territory I am sure he knows it.

I think it's because the rest of the investment group doesn't want their names to be in the media--Sarver seems to be ok with it. Doesn't change anything in the way business is done.

 

[DeAnna]

Bleh, it's just prolonging the inevitable. IMO, D'Antoni is too stubborn and proud to go back. He had already decided he was gonna walk away, so they're just working out a deal with Chicago.

I'd be SHOCKED if he stayed.

That didn't take a week!

 

[Covert Rain]

Are you kidding me?? You Sarver-haters are ridiculous, one sentence you are adamant about Sarver being only the senior partner of the investment group, and the next you're calling him cheap because of financial decisions HE made. Great logic there.

Are you serious? Silent partners have a financial stake but ultimately have very little say in day to day matters when running the team. In many cases none at all. Sarver is the Managing partner. He can take advise but ultimately has complete control. Jerry C. had an investment group as well but nobody every questioned that all decisions came from Jerry and Jerry alone.

Jerry PO lots of minority stake holders over the years for both the Suns and D-Backs. He had total control. So your saying it's different with Sarver?

There have been mistakes by this organization, but to pin them all on Sarver alone is unrealistic and just plain wrong. Unlike D'Antoni's boneheaded in-game coaching decisions, financial issues are made by a collective body, not just one man.

My uncle is part of an investment group of 14. He and 2 other men have the majority of the stake and make all the day to day decisions. They don't have a Managing Partner but they are called Senior Partners but the same concept applies. The only time they had to make concessions was at the very start when they bought the corporation to get people to join the investment group. Once everybody was satisfied, the purchase went through and now that's when the other partners truly become silent partners.

They will listen to advise but ultimately make all the decisions without consulting the minority partners in day to day operations. The minority partners are just along for the ride and financial benefit with the full understanding they have no say in day to day operations.

That's how the majority of investment groups work. That's why there is a majority or managing partner. Unless the team completely tanks financially, there is nobody Sarver answers too for his day to day decisions. Sarver listens to Steve Kerr more then he listens to any minority financial partners. That's probably a bad thing depending on if your a Kerr fan or not.

Now if he is a really good Managing Partner, he constantly tells the other investors what he is doing and listens to them to make them feel like they are part of the process. Utlimatly, Sarver makes up his own mind just as Jerry did.

Ultimately, he will either get all the praise or all the hell depending on his performance. Just as it should be.

PS. For the record I don't hate Sarver, I just think he is a rookie owner who doesn't know what the hell he is doing.