No excuses for Matt Leinart today

[BigRedArk]

yes. A truly impressive performance. Did you see the comparative stats that fox ran on Warner vs. Leinart on their five respective drives?

This team has alot of weapons and one 20 yard pass to Early Doucet does not make up for an impotent half of football

You're right. It's Lienart fault that Becht fumbled the ball as they were driving downfield in the 3rd Quarter I think it was.

 

[cardpa]

The play calling after Matt got into the game was no different than the play calling for Quinn against the Steelers. They never let him play and they aren't letting Matt play. Way too conservative. Everyone is ripping Leinhart when they should be questioning the play calling.

 

[Catfish]

Man-----what a total bunch of chicken littles you guys are. You had Matt giving the game away before he made his first play. Can you see what your mindset is concerning him???? The guy came in and preserved a win, period. It wasn't pretty, but it was effective and we have a 3 game lead over the niners and 4 over the Hawks. We are 7 and 3 overall, and have won 5 in a row on the road. What more do you want ????? OH MY THIS SKY IS GONNA FALL ON US !!!!! Matt didn't throw a pick, or throw the game away,----he threw a few incompletions. He may have done a little better had we stayed more with the run after the half, just to loosen up their secondary. I think Whiz just wanted to see what Matt had in the tank. Might not have been the best call, but it worked. Remember, the turnover was on a completed pass on 2nd down, which if not fumbled away, puts us in third and very manageable.
Grow up, nay sayers !!!!!!

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

It is what you ask for from your back up....not your Quarterback of the future.

that's a ridculous statement. Right now he's the backup QB.

 

[40yearfan]

Homeys - there is nobody who has more invested in Matt Leinart then I do.

But he had every weapon, against a bad team, and stll couldn't put together a drive. Plus he looked scared and missed at least 4 throws.

It pains me to say it but I will. The need for a QBOF is alive and well.

The gal in your avatar doesn't happen to play beach volleyball, does she?

 

[az1965]

THat's what you're supposed to do in that situation IMHO. the calls were conservative for a reason, anything but a turnover.

That play to Early wrapped it up, he certainly isn't on the same level as Warner but when he HAD to make a play, he did, and not an easy one.

I believe the game plan was simplified after few initial pass attempts from him just sailed way off from receivers

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Man-----what a total bunch of chicken littles you guys are. You had Matt giving the game away before he made his first play. Can you see what your mindset is concerning him???? The guy came in and preserved a win, period. It wasn't pretty, but it was effective and we have a 3 game lead over the niners and 4 over the Hawks. We are 7 and 3 overall, and have won 5 in a row on the road. What more do you want ????? OH MY THIS SKY IS GONNA FALL ON US !!!!! Matt didn't throw a pick, or throw the game away,----he threw a few incompletions. He may have done a little better had we stayed more with the run after the half, just to loosen up their secondary. I think Whiz just wanted to see what Matt had in the tank. Might not have been the best call, but it worked. Remember, the turnover was on a completed pass on 2nd down, which if not fumbled away, puts us in third and very manageable.
Grow up, nay sayers !!!!!!

Thanks for injecting some common sense. Just ask the mighty Steelers and Bengals what it's like going on th road against a terrible team.

 

[ajcardfan]

He threw for 400+ yards against the Vikings and we lost. He threw for about 90 today and we won. I'll take today's performance over the first one every time.

 

[moklerman]

Way too much criticism on Leinart. He made some good plays, didn't turn the ball over and didn't force any passes. And the Cardinals won.

What exactly is being expected of Leinart? He managed the game and held onto the win in a relief role. B+.

 

[TJ]

Homeys - there is nobody who has more invested in Matt Leinart then I do.

But he had every weapon, against a bad team, and stll couldn't put together a drive. Plus he looked scared and missed at least 4 throws.

It pains me to say it but I will. The need for a QBOF is alive and well.

Im not saying Leinart should be commended for his effort. IMO, he checked down way too many times and was not aggressive at all. Kurt is not afraid to take shots down field in those situations. If Leinart wants to be the QBoF, he needs to take a page out of Warner's book and realize we have three top tier receivers out there. Becht is not one of them

 

[Arizona's Finest]

i don't agree at all. I'll bet you Whiz will say ML did exactly what was asked of him.

LOL - I will bet you Whis will say the same. That has been his M.O. since he has been leading this team and I agree with it 100%.

Unfortunately I have to deal in reality. And when Matt was needed to make plays in the passing game he looked less then confident doing it. Go back and watch the Doucet play - he almost got lucky making that play.

I expected him after 4 years, knowing this offensive team and against a defense that looked absolutely overmatched to at least put together 1 TD drive. Wiz calling it safe SAYS EVEN MORE then the lack of production. This isn't a rookie playing his first game. Matt is expected to play well with 5 drives and with a 18 point lead and against an infererior team he made it waaaaay too close.

Listen I love Matt. Have defended him at every turn. But there is NO excuse for him overthrowing guys by 10 feet and looking jittery in the pocket every single down.

I want to think differently but this was as a showcase game for Matt. And again he shrunk in the spot light.

At the very least a QB HAS to be drafted in the next 3 rounds next year if only to give him some meaningful competition.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

10/14 for 74 yards and zero turnovers. I think that's exacty what you'd ask for out your backup QB. Plus a big 3rd down conversion to Doucet. But go ahead and blast away.

Agree. Wasn't pretty, but he got it done.

I'm hopeful for matty, but I too am beginning to wonder about his long term prospects.

 

[az1965]

Did you see Q going off on the sideline after a checkdown resulted a punt...

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

He threw for 400+ yards against the Vikings and we lost. He threw for about 90 today and we won. I'll take today's performance over the first one every time.

i think you're right. People would be happy if he Leinart threw for 200 yards and a couple TD's but lost. It's crazy. The guys throw 4 incompletions and brings home the win and people are bitching that he didn't do more.

 

[sundevilscott]

that's a ridculous statement. Right now he's the backup QB.

Is he payed like a backup? Was he drafted like a backup? No and No

He is supposed to be our QB of the future. He is not that guy and that is what everyone is pissed about. If it was someone like AJ Feely or Kevin Kobb I would agree with but this is a guy that was drafted at number 10 and so the expectation level is much higher. It is not like he is a first or second year guy.

 

[az1965]

I expected him after 4 years, knowing this offensive team and against a defense that looked absolutely overmatched to at least put together 1 TD drive. Wiz calling it safe SAYS EVEN MORE then the lack of production. This isn't a rookie playing his first game. Matt is expected to play well with 5 drives and with a 18 point lead and against an infererior team he made it waaaaay too close.

Well said... Whiz playing conservative probably shows his confidence in Matt. And this is from a coach who likes to be aggressive. Obviously, he will come out and commend him in front of press. I have been a Matt supporter, but today's performance puts some doubts in me.

 

[gamebird98]

Is he payed like a backup? Was he drafted like a backup? No and No

He is supposed to be our QB of the future. He is not that guy and that is what everyone is pissed about. If it was someone like AJ Feely or Kevin Kobb I would agree with but this is a guy that was drafted at number 10 and so the expectation level is much higher. It is not like he is a first or second year guy.

 

[Evil Ash]

I believe the game plan was simplified after few initial pass attempts from him just sailed way off from receivers

Did they sail away from him? Could the WRs have run the wrong routes? Could it be a simple matter of them not getting enough snaps together with his target WRs (see the first long pass to Fitz as an example)?

We went conservative which is what you should do with a big lead especially with a change at a key position like QB. In fact this something that should have been done the last couple of times we got a big lead. The Rams got back in the game because a) our D suddenly forgot how to tackle and b) the Anthony Becht fumble when we were marching down the field.

There's no way to really judge this game one way or the other for Matt.

 

[az1965]

i think you're right. People would be happy if he Leinart threw for 200 yards and a couple TD's but lost. It's crazy. The guys throw 4 incompletions and brings home the win and people are bitching that he didn't do more.

Leinart did not bring home the win... Warner's first half and defense did.

God, you guys have blinders on

 

[Catfish]

Thanks for injecting some common sense. Just ask the mighty Steelers and Bengals what it's like going on th road against a terrible team.

My pleasure Cbus-----I don't mind complaining when it is deserved, but to hear it before the guy even gets into the game like the first few posters on this thread is ridiculous.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

You guys know you are talking to Matts biggest fan here right? The myopia is ridiculous. Call it like you see it.

The Cardinals are a team that OVERMATCH the Rams in every aspect. That was true the entire game. UNTIL Matt came in the second half. Then it was obvious they had the advantage at QB.

Listen I don't want to hear anything about a conservative gameplan or what. First off that speaks to Whisenhunts faith in Matt if he called it so conservative. In the first half there wasn't a Rams defender within 10 yards of any WR. Matt shoulf have exploited that same weakness. Secondly - did you watch the game? Matt has had 3 chances so far and looked like crap in all of them. Even guys like Matt Schaub, AJ Feely and Kevin Kolb were able to perofrm well in limited time. In year 4 there is no excuse for Matt.

I am angered that he played like that. Its apparent there is a big hole on the team and its QB going forward after Kurt.

Make all the excuses that you want but if a QB is good, in Year 4, he dominates a team like the Rams simple.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Is he payed like a backup? Was he drafted like a backup? No and No

He is supposed to be our QB of the future. He is not that guy and that is what everyone is pissed about. If it was someone like AJ Feely or Kevin Kobb I would agree with but this is a guy that was drafted at number 10 and so the expectation level is much higher. It is not like he is a first or second year guy.

people need to get a freaking clue. You can't judge his performance as a BACKUP QB and project it to his play in the future. That's completely insane thinking. When he's main part fo the gameplan and getting regular reps and plays like a backup then you can bitch. I'm removing myslef from this thread because it's complete idiocy and getting me PO'd after a good Cards road win. If you guys want to bitch about him doing exactly what his job calls for then do it. WTf do i care?

 

[az1965]

Did they sail away from him? Could the WRs have run the wrong routes? Could it be a simple matter of them not getting enough snaps together with his target WRs (see the first long pass to Fitz as an example)?

We went conservative which is what you should do with a big lead especially with a change at a key position like QB. In fact this something that should have been done the last couple of times we got into a big lead. The Rams got back in the game because a) our D suddenly forgot how to tackle and b) the Anthony Becht fumble when we were marching down the field.

There's no way to really judge this game one way or the other for Matt.

Really, the WR's suddenly morphed into some other form after first half and started to run wrong routes... very interesting


And the defense was tired being on the field most of the second quarter because the offense could not move the ball to save their lives. The D finally won the game for us.

 

[Russ Smith]

I believe the game plan was simplified after few initial pass attempts from him just sailed way off from receivers

Sure but I think in general the less time on the clock, the more conservative Whiz is going to be. The clock is your friend there.

 

[Shane]

and didn't force any passes.

Tell me your not serious with that? C- at best!