No excuses for Mikey

[BACH]

The Cardinals have to become a destination for top free agent players. It's a culture and reputation they will have to develop.

Maybe the new training facility will help. A place where players will want to work out and live nearby.

It’s getting better. Not there yet IMO

 

[SECTION 11]

Are the Bengals really a good example? Personally I think signing both receivers was kinda dumb.

 

[PACardsFan]

they won the division (that they were the worst in) because they had the balls to draft stroud and anderson back to back - gambling their entire future on not one but two rolls of the dice - both of which hit pay dirt - they also strengthened thru free agency and are now an actual attraction in free agency - meaning key players will play there for less than here because of what they've accomplished and where they're headed - it has nothing to do with how crappy their division was - their two playoff wins didn't come within the division - they are the real deal - we could've done exactly what they did we were in the same position

The Cardinals were not looking for instant gratification. They are looking for sustained success. The latter being something this franchise has never attempted in their history. Where the Cardinals were when JG came required them to do exactly what they did. The Cardinals have gone the instant gratification route in the past, and it never delivered what MOJG ultimately want. I like the path we’re currently on & time will tell where it takes us. For now, we’ll have to agree to disagree.

 

[az jam]

This is the key year for the Cards under Monti and JG. They added some decent players in free agency and have the draft coming up. They also have a much easier schedule than last year. They need to make the playoffs. That is the bottom line.

 

[Stout]

The Cardinals were not looking for instant gratification. They are looking for sustained success. The latter being something this franchise has never attempted in their history. Where the Cardinals were when JG came required them to do exactly what they did. The Cardinals have gone the instant gratification route in the past, and it never delivered what MOJG ultimately want. I like the path we’re currently on & time will tell where it takes us. For now, we’ll have to agree to disagree.

Not so. There was no reason to not re-sign the young talent this team had. You can build sustainable success while also building at faster than a slow plod. We just decided not to.

 

[BirdGangThing]

The Cardinals were not looking for instant gratification. They are looking for sustained success. The latter being something this franchise has never attempted in their history. Where the Cardinals were when JG came required them to do exactly what they did. The Cardinals have gone the instant gratification route in the past, and it never delivered what MOJG ultimately want. I like the path we’re currently on & time will tell where it takes us. For now, we’ll have to agree to disagree.

if you're trying to say we're in some better position than the texans you're lying to yourself - but agree to (extremely) disagree

 

[kerouac9]

Not so. There was no reason to not re-sign the young talent this team had. You can build sustainable success while also building at faster than a slow plod. We just decided not to.

Are you talking about anyone aside from Zach Allen and Byron Murphy? I agree that those seemed like tough losses at the time and today seem even worse, but I don't think that's the main reason we have won 12 games total in the past two seasons.

4-13 with 'em, 4-13 without 'em, as they say.

 

[Stout]

Are you talking about anyone aside from Zach Allen and Byron Murphy? I agree that those seemed like tough losses at the time and today seem even worse, but I don't think that's the main reason we have won 12 games total in the past two seasons.

4-13 with 'em, 4-13 without 'em, as they say.

Yeah, no. We have had severe talent deficiencies at just the positions they played, and have had to throw money and draft capital at the positions to fix them. Now we hope those positions are fixed, but we are three years on. They could have been key building blocks.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Monti tried hard to sign 3 players from the absolut top of the FA rankings to long term deals. He only actually signed one (Sweat). Not giving credit for effort, but to me it shows a couple of things. And the best available in this new free agency. Big names with declining production is not the answer to build sustainable success.

You say you're not giving credit for effort and then literally explain why you're giving them credit.

This is a C offseason at best. Sweat and Tomlinson are good additions, but you needed at least another 2 above average players added to feel confident of a playoff spot.

After multiple offseasons of sitting on our hands, trying hard and failing is of little solace.

 

[BACH]

You say you're not giving credit for effort and then literally explain why you're giving them credit.

This is a C offseason at best. Sweat and Tomlinson are good additions, but you needed at least another 2 above average players added to feel confident of a playoff spot.

After multiple offseasons of sitting on our hands, trying hard and failing is of little solace.

NOPE. I do not give credit for failing to sign targets, but do try to rationalize the action of not going for secondary options.

 

[PACardsFan]

Not so. There was no reason to not re-sign the young talent this team had. You can build sustainable success while also building at faster than a slow plod. We just decided not to.

Whatever. Until proven otherwise, I’ll take the approach that the GM & HC have explained as their goals. If they don’t succeed, they’ll be replaced. That’s generally how it works.

 

[PACardsFan]

if you're trying to say we're in some better position than the texans you're lying to yourself - but agree to (extremely) disagree

That’s strictly your opinion. They play each other this year, so we’ll see how things go.

 

[kerouac9]

That’s strictly your opinion. They play each other this year, so we’ll see how things go.

It's not. It's objective fact. The Houston Texans have won 20 regular season games and two playoff games the past two seasons. The Arizona Cardinals have won 12 regular season games in the same period.

 

[Mulli]

It's not. It's objective fact. The Houston Texans have won 20 regular season games and two playoff games the past two seasons. The Arizona Cardinals have won 12 regular season games in the same period.

Ya, but Cardinals are going to a sweet locker room in 2027 haha

 

[BirdGangThing]

That’s strictly your opinion. They play each other this year, so we’ll see how things go.

texans are like the tenth to twelfth most likely team to win the superbowl this year according to the professionals (gambling sites) - we're sitting around twentieth

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Ya, but Cardinals are going to a sweet locker room in 2027 haha

Checkmate losers!

 

[Mulli]

texans are like the tenth to twelfth most likely team to win the superbowl this year according to the professionals (gambling sites) - we're sitting around twentieth

Suckers

 

[Stout]

Whatever. Until proven otherwise, I’ll take the approach that the GM & HC have explained as their goals. If they don’t succeed, they’ll be replaced. That’s generally how it works.

Actually, we're awaiting proof that it will work. Until then, it's a totally unproven approach by Monti. Also, if they don't succeed, they very well may be extended by our idiot owner.

 

[PACardsFan]

It's not. It's objective fact. The Houston Texans have won 20 regular season games and two playoff games the past two seasons. The Arizona Cardinals have won 12 regular season games in the same period.

Cardinals were in a complete tear down, while the Texans took a more aggressive approach. My point is that we’ll see where these 2 teams are THIS year. Texans record the last 2 years was inflated because of their easy schedule & division, while the Cardinals had 2 straight difficult schedules.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Texans record the last 2 years was inflated because of their easy schedule & division, while the Cardinals had 2 straight difficult schedules.

No, no it wasn't.

 

[PACardsFan]

texans are like the tenth to twelfth most likely team to win the superbowl this year according to the professionals (gambling sites) - we're sitting around twentieth

He who laughs last, laughs the loudest. If you want to make money off those gambling sites, putting money on the Cardinals this year will win you more money than if you bet on the Texans. I had a ton on the Cardinals last year, then cashed out when we started 6-4. Won a bundle doing that. Cardinals were improved last year, but still not talented enough to overcome the injuries they sustained. They’re deeper, better developed, healthy, and we haven’t drafted yet. Last year at this time (prior to the draft), we would not even be able to play a game. This year is different. If we had to today, we could play a game.

 

[PACardsFan]

Actually, we're awaiting proof that it will work. Until then, it's a totally unproven approach by Monti. Also, if they don't succeed, they very well may be extended by our idiot owner.

We’ve seen nothing but improvement since the tear down, so their process to date has been successful. Anything can happen in the NFL, but I’m optimistic that we’ll see continued sustainable success in 2025.