No PJ BROWN: What's Your Backup Plan?

[Ollie]

I find it funny that u dismiss this trade yet thow in an absurd and totally illogical trade in the same sentence: Banks & Atl 1st Pick for May??

Bobcats, if offered that trade from Phoenix, would jump for joy and have wet dreams until the season began.

Not only would they get a more talented player in Banks, but they would get a FIRST ROUND HAWKS PICK while unloading one of the fattest and poorly conditioned athletes in the NBA - an athlete that is ALREADY on the hot seat regardless of the trade.

I am at a loss for words.

Wow, I'm amazed. You're so immune to rational argument that you must be David Stern's and Violet Palmer's hidden love child.

As of now, Banks has one of the worst contracts of the league, production-per-dollar wise, earning $43K per basket he scored. He was arguably the worst free agent signing of the league last year.

Bill Simmons named him his Least Valuable Player of the season.

450. Marcus Banks
To win my LVP (Least Valuable Player) Award, you need to negatively affect a team in more ways than just "my eight-figure salary is killing their cap space" or "I drove into a parked car while masturbating to a porn movie."

You need to realize zero percent of your team's expectations, even though it traded a No. 1 pick (and a chance to take Rajon Rondo or Marcus Williams) to create enough cap space for a bench player who could save its best player's legs during the season. You need to be such a ginormous bust that your coach gave up on you within three weeks. You need to be untradable even though you have a reasonable salary ($21 million, five years). You need to become the albatross for a potential championship team that's single-handedly lowering its ceiling from an "A-plus" to an "A-minus." In other words, you need to be Marcus Banks.

You couldn't trade Marcus Banks for Sean May even if Sean May weighed 450lbs and had microfracture surgeries on both knees.

You can't trade Marcus Banks. Period.

 

[Sunsman44]

Wow, I'm amazed. You're so immune to rational argument that you must be David Stern's and Violet Palmer's hidden love child.

As of now, Banks has one of the worst contracts of the league, production-per-dollar wise, earning $43K per basket he scored. He was arguably the worst free agent signing of the league last year.

Bill Simmons named him his Least Valuable Player of the season.


You couldn't trade Marcus Banks for Sean May even if Sean May weighed 450lbs and had microfracture surgeries on both knees.

You can't trade Marcus Banks. Period.

Bill Simmons is a moron. How is he your source for justification?

The least valuable player last season was ADONAL FOYLE if u want to take the production-per-dollar route.

And let's not even compare the talent level of Banks and Foyle.

Banks did not play much largely due in part of idiot Mike D'Antoni.

When given the chance Banks is very much a capable starting point guard.

Did you NOT see Banks when he was with Minnesota as a starter? Go to ESPN and check out his stats then. I rest my case.

Has the world gone insane???

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Bill Simmons is a moron. How is he your source for justification?

The least valuable player last season was ADONAL FOYLE if u want to take the production-per-dollar route.

And let's not even compare the talent level of Banks and Foyle.

Banks did not play much largely due in part of idiot Mike D'Antoni.

When given the chance Banks is very much a capable starting point guard.

Did you NOT see Banks when he was with Minnesota as a starter? Go to ESPN and check out his stats then. I rest my case.

Has the world gone insane???

First off, bill simmons is the only reason to visit espn's website/magazine. What is your source of justification in calling him an idiot, if ollie has to have a source to justify why he puts value into simmons' articles?

Foyle shot 56% this season with more minutes than banks

Since when is a players performance on someone else's team a measure of their current worth? The argument is he was the least valuable player this year, his run with minny is 100% irrelevant. 100%

You cant blame someone's being horrible on the coach. He was benched for a reason, we may not be privy to that exact information, but when keeping a 3.5mil player on the bench is less of a risk you need to admit something is wrong with his capability.

 

[Ronin]

You can't trade Marcus Banks. Period.

That's true, The suns couldn't even trade Marcus Banks for Damon Jones.

 

[okhoops]

Add to the debate the fact that GM D'Antoni signed Banks. He wouldn't sign the guy if he wasn't planning on playing him. Obviously, something didn't measure up once he was given an opportunity on the court. Two things come to mind: 1. It's hard for any PG (a player used to having the ball in his hands a lot) to be productive with 10-12 minutes a game. Can anybody name one that prospers with so little floor time. 2. Banks is another in the long list of SG in a PG body. A great athlete but not a cerebral one. Nash, Kidd, and Deron Williams are rare at any level. A player that can manage a game. Banks offers nothing more at the PG than Barbosa does. Too many guys (including NBA GM/Coaches) fall in love with the physical athletes. PG is one position where the head is most important.

 

[azirish]

Add to the debate the fact that GM D'Antoni signed Banks. He wouldn't sign the guy if he wasn't planning on playing him. Obviously, something didn't measure up once he was given an opportunity on the court. Two things come to mind: 1. It's hard for any PG (a player used to having the ball in his hands a lot) to be productive with 10-12 minutes a game. Can anybody name one that prospers with so little floor time. 2. Banks is another in the long list of SG in a PG body. A great athlete but not a cerebral one. Nash, Kidd, and Deron Williams are rare at any level. A player that can manage a game. Banks offers nothing more at the PG than Barbosa does. Too many guys (including NBA GM/Coaches) fall in love with the physical athletes. PG is one position where the head is most important.

Welcome aboard.

It sounds like Banks is going to be Humphries primary project. Whether it is to turn him into a PG, turn him into another scoring threat off the bench, or prep him as trade bait; it's a key project for this team.

 

[Sunsman44]

if he doesn't know much about basketball i'm afraid you don't know anything. and i don't mean that to be insulting, i'm serious.

1. banks is NOT a quality pg. he was never a quality pg. he was a mediocre PG on a bad team in minny and was a washout in boston before that. and he stunk on a team desperate for backup pg play. with his contract he has negative value. the 2nd round picks are close to worthless.

2. 90% of the nba? lol. please show me your poll results. you know NOTHING about the gms around the league. we have NO empirical evidence showing ANY opinion, one way or another, with regard to the gm's opinions around the league. may is a talented player who was drafted two years ago. he still has a ton of upside. he's not "shot" by any definition of the word. please post the newspaper quote you reference as i do not believe it exists.


a steal? for the bobcats? maybe if they're mentally ********. and even then i think i may be insulting the mentally ******** with that comment.

it IS the worst trade proposal i have ever seen. and the reason i say "ever" is because of your continued support of it.

Advice: Watch the CAPS on some of your words or else a handful of people are going to threaten you and get on your back.

Just some friendly advice.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Ok now you just sound ignorant and bitter.

 

[Sunsman44]

Ok now you just sound ignorant and bitter.

Ignorant and bitter?

You a-holes are telling me it is wrong to type ALL CAPS ---> and not a single one of you can provide a shred of evidence that I am typing everything in all caps.

Show me and I will shut up. But until u show me proof, I won't.

The only thing I have done is all-cap on a player's NAME and sometimes the word SUNS.

Never have I typed all-caps. So yes, it is annoying when people are fabricating the truth without providing any evidence for their weak arguments.

This includes the Mod and all the supposed veteran 10,000 posters with nothing better to do in their lives but find a player's last NAME I capitalize and tell me to not capitalize everything in the thread.

There are hundreds of people who all-cap a single word, just like me and the guy above. But none of us have ever all-capped a sentence. So to make false claims is just wrong.

Fix your argument, show me some evidence - or just shut the hell up.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

When you get accusations of all caps, you need to realize that hyperbole is a common staple of english conversation

Since you seem to be lacking that realization, you simply sound ignorant and bitter.

Youre not going to win this argument. Your posts demand excessive attention, youre hijacking multiple threads, and you change the tone of many subject you interject upon.

What is your success plan to make your point? Do you even have one?

 

[Chaplin]

Ignorant and bitter?

You a-holes are telling me it is wrong to type ALL CAPS ---> and not a single one of you can provide a shred of evidence that I am typing everything in all caps.

Show me and I will shut up. But until u show me proof, I won't.

The only thing I have done is all-cap on a player's NAME and sometimes the word SUNS.

Never have I typed all-caps. So yes, it is annoying when people are fabricating the truth without providing any evidence for their weak arguments.

This includes the Mod and all the supposed veteran 10,000 posters with nothing better to do in their lives but find a player's last NAME I capitalize and tell me to not capitalize everything in the thread.

There are hundreds of people who all-cap a single word, just like me and the guy above. But none of us have ever all-capped a sentence. So to make false claims is just wrong.

Fix your argument, show me some evidence - or just shut the hell up.

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

And do you have any idea why people aren't "shutting the hell up"? Because you keep bringing the subject up in every post! Want it to die? Then DON'T MENTION IT ANYMORE. How's that for caps?

 

[Sunsman44]

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

And do you have any idea why people aren't "shutting the hell up"? Because you keep bringing the subject up in every post! Want it to die? Then DON'T MENTION IT ANYMORE. How's that for caps?

Hey, last thing i've ever done is write in all caps -- so how bout stop making lies then I'll shut up?

 

[azirish]

Does every thread have to degenerate into 44 trying to bait people into an argument over his obnoxious writing style?

 

[Sunsman44]

Does every thread have to degenerate into 44 trying to bait people into an argument over his obnoxious writing style?

Again, what style.

Proof proof proof, people.

Otherwise don't type.

Unless I see this ALL-CAP and obnoxious style everyone claims, I won't back down.

Show me proof!!!

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Christ you're dense.

 

[arwillan]

cheese

I wouldn't go that far - we did add two rookies who are touted as good defenders, and are about the right size. If it turns out one or both really can defend, the coaching staff has about 90 games - three collegiate seasons - to whip them into shape. Put Jay Humphries on them full time or he and Dan D and make space for them in the rotation.

and being that marcus banks dropped 42 and is already known as a good defender, i think we can say that he may get some time against the spurs to guard parker. if they were trying to shop him, they would have played him more after that game he scored 42. i think there is a purpose for them holding onto banks

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

and being that marcus banks dropped 42 and is already known as a good defender, i think we can say that he may get some time against the spurs to guard parker. if they were trying to shop him, they would have played him more after that game he scored 42. i think there is a purpose for them holding onto banks

omg, you're banking on a SINGLE SUMMER LEAGUE game??? (pun fully intended) . . . ridiculous.

 

[azirish]

omg, you're banking on a SINGLE SUMMER LEAGUE game??? (pun fully intended) . . . ridiculous.

Don't forget the scrimmage.

Seriously, they said very little about him other than "he's really talented". One, two or six summer league games are not going to prove anything. Right now his reputation as being a bad shooter when in Boston and lack of team play in Phoenix make him untradeable.

I have my fingers crossed that he can become an Eddie House with some D, but he's got a long way to go.

 

[Errntknght]

I have my fingers crossed that he can become an Eddie House with some D, but he's got a long way to go.

I think that's quite unlikely - even in that summer league game where he shot great, he started slow. Close to half his points were in the fourth quarter. In fact, I think his first two shots were air balls. Last year his few good games were when Nash was out and he got lots of minutes and I don't recall him ever having a hot start in any game. House was the opposite - he came in firing but if he started cold, he stayed cold.

 

[azirish]

I think that's quite unlikely - even in that summer league game where he shot great, he started slow. Close to half his points were in the fourth quarter. In fact, I think his first two shots were air balls. Last year his few good games were when Nash was out and he got lots of minutes and I don't recall him ever having a hot start in any game. House was the opposite - he came in firing but if he started cold, he stayed cold.

I'm not talking about performance but role. Eddie was a "sort-of" PG who could score off the bench.

We don't know if Banks can shoot well consistently. In the summer league he supposedly really tried to get other guys involved and it did not work well. His decision to "take over" in the fourth quarter was a decision based on how the opposition could not stop him. He shot better in the Detroit scrimmage, (7 of 8) but apparently still did not run the offense that well.)

BEST CASE: The Suns decided Banks was all but unstoppable against this kind of opposition and decided to focus on the other guys.

WORST CASE: Banks is still an inconsistent one-on-one guy who is not a point guard and not enough of a team player to fit into their scheme.

You can take your choice.

 

[arwillan]

omg, you're banking on a SINGLE SUMMER LEAGUE game??? (pun fully intended) . . . ridiculous.

i'm not saying "oh he scored 42 he is one of the best guards in the league!" im just saying we know he can play D, and if he can continue to shoot nearly as well as he did in that SINGLE game, then why not give him a shot? might as well make him usefull with what we're paying him

 

[azirish]

i'm not saying "oh he scored 42 he is one of the best guards in the league!" im just saying we know he can play D, and if he can continue to shoot nearly as well as he did in that SINGLE game, then why not give him a shot? might as well make him usefull with what we're paying him

Humphries first job is to turn him into a player. If he succeeds, it would be huge.

 

[Errntknght]

I'm not talking about performance but role. Eddie was a "sort-of" PG who could score off the bench.

I'm talking about the role, too - in order to play the House role a guy has to score quickly when he gets on the floor. The evidence so far is that Banks can't do that - as least he can't if he's shooting jump shots.

I would say Humphries first task with Banks is to get him playing tough defense - consistently. Marcus has shown streaks of good D, but just as much poor D. We already have Barbosa to supply instant offense in the backcourt and Banks has to be significantly better than Leandro at something in order to be of real value to the team.

 

[scXfreakX]

Banks needs to stop thinking he's hot stuff. He needs to sit down, focus on basketball, and then let it come to him as it does. Instead of arguing with the coaches and such, we need him to concentrate.

 

[azirish]

My reaction to Banks last year was that he kept trying to "beat his man" rather than play within the offense. The result was that he was taking contested jump shots, rather than pass and wait to shoot when he's already open. One on one skills are great when time is running out, but until then, it is better to find the open man.

Eddie's biggest advantage was that he has a quick trigger. He does not have to be wide open to get a good shot. My read on Banks is that it took him a while to decide what he's going to do, which gave the defense time to react. The mental part of knowing what to do instantly is one of the hardest parts about playing on the Suns and I have no idea how far along he is yet.