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its what he didnt say

he didnt say "compete for playoffs"

-- which where his stated expectations for last year (plenty of Keim quotes on 8-8 with injuries in '17, getting DJ back, etc) Further, you dont sign a vet QB for $20mm if you think your roster is a 3-13 roster.

he wants a Browns like step forward -- i think if the Cards ended the year with certainty at the QB spot, competitive football all year long, and a few young players showing they belong -- he would take that
 

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This is right on. Right or wrong I love conviction. Keim threw the baby and the bath water out the window and got a new baby. I’d like to think he recognized that a major change had to be made. Something he should have recognized the previous year. That being said, he took a giant leap of faith and conviction. If we suck anywhere near the train wreck we witnessed last year he probably will be gone. If he is right then we will all be happy and sprinkle ( not shower) but sprinkle him with a little praise.

One losing season as GM, 2 time NFL Executive of the year, and an impressive overall W-L record. How many former Cardinal GM's can boast his accomplishments? None. He's made mistakes, we all know that. The DUI & being too chummy with BA were big mistakes. The DUI situation took him out of the Wilks hire, as that decision was 100% MB. BA is a very influential dude. I've met and talked to him multiple times. Love the guy, and will always be thankful for the Cardinal teams he coached. But, he could convince you to play golf on a 20 degree day with 15 mph winds! With his early successes on the field, BA was able to convince both SK & MB into draft choices that dripped with BA's arrogance that he could coach anyone to greatness. SK can't be totally exonerated of that, but he now has a chance to resurrect himself without BA's influence. Let's see how it plays out. I don't believe he's on a short leash (unless he gets another DUI), but we obviously can't experience what we saw last year.
 

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Agreed. Anytime you give up twice as many points as you score, then 3-13 is meaningless. They set NFL records for the most 3 and outs, and the offense ranked dead last in almost every measured category. Whoever was ranked 31st was significantly better than us. We added a whole new dimension to the term "unwatchable". After 2 games, you absolutely, positively knew that improvement wasn't possible & it was time to hit the restart button. These moron reporters that bitched that we fired Wilks after one season apparently never watched us play last year. I consider myself a fairly patient person, and have managed people for almost 40 years. Wilks was fortunate to last the season.

Agree with all the above and the Cards being soooo bad last year and then beating the Packers is why McCarthy didn't last the entire season. Wilks was so bad he got himself and another HC fired. :)
 

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I absolutely HATE to think this way but we could go 0-16 and Keim will get another year just for the fact that they (meaning Bidwill and Keims salesmanship) have to see if this KK and K1 experiment takes flight (pun intended) and I am not a Keim fan
 

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One losing season as GM,

False. The trend lines are also exceptionally bad.

If the Cards are non-competitive again, that will be four consecutive seasons as a non-factor.

If chaos continues to reign on the offensive line and with free agents, Keim has to go.
 
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Harry, I know you want to make a point, but, in fairness, SK didn't say improvement, he said vast improvement. To me that means more than another one or two wins. At least three or four.
My point precisely, I wouldn’t call 3 wins vast. Of course I expect him to say improvement. I just think your team gets more satisfaction and confidence when you set goals and achieve them. How do you define success? If it’s not numbers how do you know when you’ve achieved success. Ken Blanchard’s book, The One Minute Manager, has a great example of bowling with a sheet in front of the pins. They ask the bowler how he did and he says he doesn’t know but it felt good. I want standards of performance. It’s hard to predict wins but other objectives can clearly be specific. Let’s say we want to get DJ back to being a 1000 yard runner.
 

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My point precisely, I wouldn’t call 3 wins vast. Of course I expect him to say improvement. I just think your team gets more satisfaction and confidence when you set goals and achieve them. How do you define success? If it’s not numbers how do you know when you’ve achieved success. Ken Blanchard’s book, The One Minute Manager, has a great example of bowling with a sheet in front of the pins. They ask the bowler how he did and he says he doesn’t know but it felt good. I want standards of performance. It’s hard to predict wins but other objectives can clearly be specific. Let’s say we want to get DJ back to being a 1000 yard runner.

I don't disagree but I'm betting goals have been set but aren't being publicized. The FO thinks they are the CIA or something and not saying anything about anything or anyone.
 

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My point precisely, I wouldn’t call 3 wins vast. Of course I expect him to say improvement. I just think your team gets more satisfaction and confidence when you set goals and achieve them. How do you define success? If it’s not numbers how do you know when you’ve achieved success. Ken Blanchard’s book, The One Minute Manager, has a great example of bowling with a sheet in front of the pins. They ask the bowler how he did and he says he doesn’t know but it felt good. I want standards of performance. It’s hard to predict wins but other objectives can clearly be specific. Let’s say we want to get DJ back to being a 1000 yard runner.

You’re missing the point. I’m sure that the organization has very clear cut goals in terms of Wins & Losses. But, why in the hell would Keim share them with the public????? That’s idiotic. Every single player on that team knows what their goals are. And it doesn’t need to be shared with anyone outside that locker room.
 
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False. The trend lines are also exceptionally bad.

If the Cards are non-competitive again, that will be four consecutive seasons as a non-factor.

If chaos continues to reign on the offensive line and with free agents, Keim has to go.
Yeah...if the line follows last year's trend and the team can't overcome it with 5+ wins, Keim almost has to go.
 

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2nd overall pick will be improvement
 

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Lol. Harry, you sound like a scorned ex girlfriend who can’t move on, my friend. How many of these posts are you going to put up per day? We get it. You don’t like the current regime.
 
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Dave, that fat drunk moron could piss on your head and you'd tell me it was raining.
And we could win 35-7 today but you, K-9 and harry would be on here crying that Keim should be fired because some guy we passed on in the 5th round 2 years ago made a special teams tackle for the dolphins in their 65-0 loss to the ravens.
 

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I don't think "VAST" improvement equates to ridiculously low. And I'm sure that whatever his goals are, they have been clearly spelled out to him by Michael Bidwill. That's how the food chain works in the real world.


At this point, I'm starting to think that no DUI's in the next year or two is his highest expectation.
 

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Harry, Harry, Harry, he didn't say improvement, he said VAST improvement. What he says to the team and to the media might be different.
 

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What is wrong with people. Not 1 single down has been played & Keim has to go??? It’s tough to read this nonsense.
I forgot that this is Keim's first year as a GM...

Speaking of tough non-sense to read, the battered fan syndrome that you display is rough as well. If you can't build a winning team, can't sign good FAs, can't draft, can't re-sign key players, and can't fix an offensive line, why would that person be kept around?
 

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6 wins minimum or he’s out. No way you let him pick top 5 and have $100 million. He’ll overpay and scrub in the league in hopes of winning 7 games. Enough is enough and he’s done nothing to deserve that type of loyalty from ownership.
 
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